Prejudice

[The Hammer]

Would it be prejudicial to start/run a business, but only hire persons that are LGBTQ or Black?

Like, you're not being actively discriminated against imo, because you're turning away everyone, unless they are Gay or Black.

Is this racist, or prejudicial?

Would the tables be turned if I was hiring only White persons? If so, why?

 

[Rival]

I believe both are prejudiced. Hire whoever is best for the job.

 

[JustGeorge]

I do think it would be prejudice to hire people based on race/sexual preference/gender identity/age/etc/etc . I don't know the proper term for it other than 'poopy'.

The only exceptions I can think of would be if one would need to have experience as such(someone undergoing gender transitioning counseling would likely need to talk to someone who had been through the same, for example), but other than in extraordinarily specific circumstances, this practice would indeed seem prejudiced.

I sometimes wonder how the hiring process would change if the one interviewing wasn't able to see the person, and what race/gender/age/income bracket they were. Simply the qualifications, and leave it at that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is this racist, or prejudicial?

Prejudice, but obviously not racist as LGBT isn't a race.

 

[The Hammer]

I believe both are prejudiced. Hire whoever is best for the job.

Idk. If you're only hiring a particular protected class, against all the others, I'm not sure it's exactly prejudiced.

To me prejudicial hiring requires a power dynamic in favor of a majority over a minority group.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I sometimes wonder how the hiring process would change if the one interviewing wasn't able to see the person, and what race/gender/age/income bracket they were. Simply the qualifications, and leave it at that.

Far more equitable, I assume.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

To me prejudicial hiring requires a power dynamic in favor of a majority over a minority group.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Twisting a wrong around doesn't make it right either. Prejudice is prejudice.

 

[Rival]

Idk. If you're only hiring a particular protected class, against all the others, I'm not sure it's exactly prejudiced.

To me prejudicial hiring requires a power dynamic in favor of a majority over a minority group.

Basically what SW said.

 

[epronovost]

Would it be prejudicial to start/run a business, but only hire persons that are LGBTQ or Black?

Like, you're not being actively discriminated against imo, because you're turning away everyone, unless they are Gay or Black.

Is this racist, or prejudicial?

Would the tables be turned if I was hiring only White persons? If so, why?

Unless your business is providing a service specifically intended for the use of homosexuals or black community (for example a gay bar or a sport program for poor black youth), I think it would be wrong. You could also make an argument for it if your business has a "cultural niche" like hiring only East Asian people to work in an East Asian restaurant to give it a more "authentic" feel. As far as hiring members of a minority group to try and help break some glass ceiling or help a particularly depressed community with a long history of governmental neglect and oppression, I would say it's defensible in some cases, but the devil is in the detail and the execution of your scheme.

Good luck for anybody to prove it in any cases though. Proving specific cases of discrimination in employment is extremely hard.

 

[John53]

Spoiler: Contains bad language

 

[Valjean]

No. It would be discriminatory.
Calling it prejudiced presupposes motive and racial attitude.

 

[Truth in love]

Would it be prejudicial to start/run a business, but only hire persons that are LGBTQ or Black?

Like, you're not being actively discriminated against imo, because you're turning away everyone, unless they are Gay or Black.

Is this racist, or prejudicial?

Would the tables be turned if I was hiring only White persons? If so, why?

It’s about why your doing it. If you hire the best 5 people and they all happen to be gay, left handed etc who caress.

Now if you refuse to hire qualified persons just because you don’t like their democratic details that would be discrimination.

 

[Valjean]

Hiring only competent people is discrimination, too. Discrimination is necessary.

A hospital discriminates when it hires only surgeons who've been to medical school. A contractor discriminates when she hires only carpenters who know what a circular saw is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hiring only competent people is discrimination, too. Discrimination is necessary.

A hospital discriminates when it hires only surgeons who've been to medical school. A contractor discriminates when she hires only carpenters who know what a circular saw is.

That is not at all comparable to discrimination in how we are discussing it.

 

[The Hammer]

It’s about why your doing it. If you hire the best 5 people and they all happen to be gay, left handed etc who caress.

Now if you refuse to hire qualified persons just because you don’t like their democratic details that would be discrimination.

What if I wanted an all Gay or Native American business, but the business isn't really gay or NA?

Seems a stretch that that is discrimination imo.

It's my business, would I not have the ability to hire whom I felt was the desirable candidate?

Just like a business can refuse to provide medical care contrary to their religious views (birth control, contraceptions).

 

[Truth in love]

What if I wanted an all Gay or Native American business, but the business isn't really gay or NA?

Seems a stretch that that is discrimination imo.

It's my business, would I not have the ability to hire whom I felt was the desirable candidate?

Just like a business can refuse to provide medical care contrary to their religious views (birth control, contraceptions).

It is discriminatory.

I would add that I don’t think such a thing should be illegal. But then again if you were discriminating odds are I’d opt to not use your services.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Hiring only competent people is discrimination, too. Discrimination is necessary.

A hospital discriminates when it hires only surgeons who've been to medical school. A contractor discriminates when she hires only carpenters who know what a circular saw is.

Good point.

I think there are times when hiring someone from a specific group has a practical purpose, such as only hiring homeless folks in order to help ease poverty.

Or, in the case of minority groups that have been discriminated against due to prejudice, discriminatory hiring is one way of fighting against prejudice.

 

[F1fan]

No. It would be discriminatory.
Calling it prejudiced presupposes motive and racial attitude.

But you aren't hiring with an intent to discriminate against a class of people.

If the business has an intent to hire a class of people who face unusual discrimination it could be seen as opportunity to hire well motivated employees.

Or perhaps the business is such that LGTBQ people offer an advantage in performance or service.

 

[The Hammer]

It is discriminatory.

I would add that I don’t think such a thing should be illegal. But then again if you were discriminating odds are I’d opt to not use your services.

I agree

 

[Heyo]

Would it be prejudicial to start/run a business, but only hire persons that are LGBTQ or Black?

Like, you're not being actively discriminated against imo, because you're turning away everyone, unless they are Gay or Black.

Is this racist, or prejudicial?

Best answer to that was by @Valjean. Discriminatory is the word.

Would the tables be turned if I was hiring only White persons? If so, why?

Only hiring disadvantaged groups can be called "affirmative action". It is positive discrimination.
Only hiring people of your in-group could be called bigotry.

So, if you are black, gay and only hiring blacks or LGBTQ you're in a pickle.