Present arguments for atheism

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

It is their opinion that the woman is beautiful.It is a fact that they find the woman beautiful.It is true that they find the woman beautiful.

It's a fact that they have the opinion, but the beauty is still opinion.

 

[Deathbydefault]

facts are true. period. the colloquial 'the truth ' is made of facts. period. subjective things are neither fact nor true. for example the subjective opinion green is the best color is neither a fact nor true. howeer it is a true fact that i think it is.

@Mohammad Nur Syamsu
@ArtieE
@columbus

I used that argument with him a couple months back.
As you can see, logic doesn't exactly work very well on this guy.

 

[Desert Snake]

Sounds like you've manufactured some phantom argument that I haven't actually made.

The one I actually did make is that reports of religious experiences aren't generally reliable indicators of truth. Do you disagree with this? If not, then let's have a look together at religious experiences in traditions whose beliefs are incompatible with Christian beliefs.

What would that indicate, and this means you have some sort of standard for what constitutes ''Christian beliefs'', then?

 

[Deathbydefault]

It's a fact that they have the opinion, but the beauty is still opinion.

Correct.

 

[Iti oj]

fyi the woman is beautiful regardless

What would that indicate, and this means you have some sort of standard for what constitutes ''Christian beliefs'', then?

i have several since there is a wide diversity of beliefs in Christianity, thats the problem with directly answering the op.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

I used that argument with him a couple months back.
As you can see, logic doesn't exactly work very well on this guy.

You got not logic...you only got a lot of atheists saying ain't so.

 

[Iti oj]

You got not logic...you only got a lot of atheists saying ain't so.

you put a lot of words into other people mouths

 

[Desert Snake]

i have several since there is a wide diversity of beliefs in Christianity, thats the problem with directly answering the op.

Therefore? What do you want to know about my beliefs; I'm not going to write a thesis on it.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

you put a lot of words into other people mouths

You've got no argument, without any reasoning you just appropiate truth to objectivity, and then you badger on and on how this is right, giving no consideration for subjectivity.

I don't do things like reference a word, say it supports the case that truth is just objective, and then it turns out the definitions in the reference relates truth to sincerity, spiritual etc. I do not do things like that, atheists they do things like that on a continuous basis. It's all garbage from beginning to end.

 

[Deathbydefault]

You got not logic...you only got a lot of atheists saying ain't so.

You are correct, I have no logic.
I just use it when possible, it's free for everyone.

Let me explain in terms you can understand.
Logic is the cube, okay?
Many of us here have been putting the cube in the the square slot whist discussing things with you.
In return, you've just been sitting there trying to fit the cube into the small circle slot.

 

[McBell]

Let me explain in terms you can understand.
Logic is the cube, okay?
Many of us here have been putting the cube in the the square slot whist discussing things with you.
In return, you've just been sitting there trying to fit the cube into the small circle slot.

You left out the part where he gets upset whenever it is pointed out...

 

[Deathbydefault]

It is just more nonsense, you've got no argument.

See, this is why your logic doesn't work.
I'm equal to you in just disregarding every argumentative post you've made as "just more nonsense".

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

See, this is why your logic doesn't work.
I'm equal to you in just disregarding every argumentative post you've made as "just more nonsense".

Saying atheists put a square in a square hole, just isn't argument, it is just nonsense. I've got argumentation how the term truth has an essentially subjective element to it, the importance of the fact.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Saying atheists put a square in a square hole, just isn't argument, it is just nonsense.

You wouldn't know what a proper argument was if it slapped you in the face.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

You left out the part where he gets upset whenever it is pointed out...

It is just more badgering to try and get their way and appropiate the word truth to objectivity solely. All garbage.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

You wouldn't know what a proper argument was if it slapped you in the face.

It's more nonsense from you. You've got nothing.

 

[Deathbydefault]

It's more nonsense from you. You've got nothing.

I've got quite a lot to say on this subject, actually.
And I've said such things several times before, in previous arguments with you.
Your bigoted viewpoint just washes away any type of effort I bother to put in.
So why should I even try? If you're just gonna sit there and say "obviously you reject subjectivity" and "just more nonsense"?

 

[McBell]

I've got quite a lot to say on this subject, actually.
And I've said such things several times before, in previous arguments with you.
Your bigoted viewpoint just washes away any type of effort I bother to put in.
So why should I even try? If you're just gonna sit there and say "obviously you reject subjectivity" and "just more nonsense"?

Well, look at it this way, whenever he uses those catch phrases, you know he has lost the argument.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

I've got quite a lot to say on this subject, actually.
And I've said such things several times before, in previous arguments with you.
Your bigoted viewpoint just washes away any type of effort I bother to put in.
So why should I even try? If you're just gonna sit there and say "obviously you reject subjectivity" and "just more nonsense"?

I have argumentation, evidence, an explanation of how a common subjective statement like "the painting is beautiful" is arrived at, how truth has an essentially subjective element, etc. etc. You've got nothing. All you do is write nonsense, there is nothing in it.

Here you are continuously arguing that truth should be objective only, and then you complain that I say you reject subjectivity. You see, you reject subjectivity.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Well, look at it this way, whenever he uses those catch phrases, you know he has lost the argument.

Look at it this way, look at it that way, it is nonsense for as far as argumentation goes. It is a coping strategy to deal emotionally with having lost the argument.