Present arguments for atheism

[McBell]

It is just more badgering to try and get their way and appropiate the word truth to objectivity solely. All garbage.

Wrong again.
Though that is not any surprise, now is it?

It is a statement of fact that is supported by your getting all upset whenever it is pointed out.

 

[McBell]

Look at it this way, look at it that way, it is nonsense for as far as argumentation goes. It is a coping strategy to deal emotionally with having lost the argument.

Thank you for admitting it.

See guys, he can be reasonable.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

I'm not convinced we can know the truth.

Perhaps it depends upon what we're trying to know and to what extent we're satisfied with incomplete knowledge? Perhaps some truths are knowable?

You can have gods without religion and religion without gods.

Are you convinced that that's true? You certainly sound convinced.

 

[Deathbydefault]

I have argumentation, evidence, an explanation of how a common subjective statement like "the painting is beautiful" is arrived at, how truth has an essentially subjective element, etc. etc. You've got nothing. All you do is write nonsense, there is nothing in it.

Here you are continuously arguing that truth should be objective only, and then you complain that I say you reject subjectivity. You see, you reject subjectivity.

Never once have I argued that truth should be objective only.
Do not put words in my mouth, do not act as though you know how I think.
You know nothing (John Snow) about my brains inner workings, and how I process information.
All you have is bits and pieces, and the ability to jump to conclusions, your "evidence" is my evidence of that.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Wrong again.
Though that is not any surprise, now is it?

It is a statement of fact that is supported by your getting all upset whenever it is pointed out.

There was nothing pointed out, it was just more garbage, as you are also just producing more garbage. This is the garbage debating tactic you are pulling.

And in the end then you will appropiate the term truth to objectivity soley, based on having produced tons of garbage to support it.

 

[McBell]

There was nothing pointed out, it was just more garbage, as you are also just producing more garbage. This is the garbage debating tactic you are pulling.

And in the end then you will appropiate the term truth to objectivity soley, based on having produced tons of garbage to support it.

You should really try reading posts for comprehension.
Otherwise you will only continue to make a bigger fool of yourself.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

... it's "I don't know +, as a statement of belief.

"I Don't Know +"

I love that.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

um...
Millions of people swearing to its truth?

Ronald McDonald approves ...

... of your methodology.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Thank you for admitting it.

See guys, he can be reasonable.

That's misreprentation, you will try anything. I don't do that garbage, atheists do.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What would that indicate, and this means you have some sort of standard for what constitutes ''Christian beliefs'', then?

Not really.

It indicates that I figure that as an apparent Christian (judging by the cross in your profile pic), you probably have ideas about what you consider authentically Christian, and I'm confident that whatever this is in your particular case, I can find purported religious experiences that suggest things incompatible with that version of Christianity.

 

[Deathbydefault]

That's misreprentation, you will try anything. I don't do that garbage, atheists do.

You literally misrepresented me within the last 10 minutes.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Never once have I argued that truth should be objective only.
Do not put words in my mouth, do not act as though you know how I think.
You know nothing (John Snow) about my brains inner workings, and how I process information.
All you have is bits and pieces, and the ability to jump to conclusions, your "evidence" is my evidence of that.

I can jump to the conclusion, because I've already thought things through, and talked to lots of atheists, and have already talked to you also. I've got argumentation, explanation, the evidence, I got it all.

 

[Desert Snake]

Not really.

It indicates that I figure that as an apparent Christian (judging by the cross in your profile pic), you probably have ideas about what you consider authentically Christian, and I'm confident that whatever this is in your particular case, I can find purported religious experiences that suggest things incompatible with that version of Christianity.

Well, first off, of course many christians disagree with me.
But aside from that, what would that actually indicate about theism? And how would you discern who is ''correct'', in the first place, especially as a non-Xian?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

You literally misrepresented me within the last 10 minutes.

There is no misrepresentation because you have expressly referred to "many of us here" as in you and the others here, meaning you side with them on the argument. And elsewhere you explicitly rejected subjectivity as I explained it, so... just more nonsense from you again.

 

[Deathbydefault]

I can jump to the conclusion, because I've already thought things through, and talked to lots of atheists, and have already talked to you also. I've got argumentation, explanation, the evidence, I got it all.

Okay, let me reverse your logic (yet again).
So, basically by what you said my following argument is equally correct.
Now I know not all Muslims are like this, actually not very many at all are like this, but bear with me.

-If I only ever talked to/knew of Muslims who believe that anyone who doesn't worship Allah must be killed, all Muslims obviously believe that.
Because I talked to enough Muslims to jump to that conclusion, and I thought it through.
I've got argumentation, evidence, and can create an explanation. I must be right.-

Dude, I am not all atheists.
I am far from it. Most atheists are highly moral and normal *** people.
And you've only self concluded your ideas concerning the atheists I've seen you talk to.

 

[Desert Snake]

Ronald McDonald approves ...

... of your methodology.

Alright! Ronnie!

 

[Deathbydefault]

There is no misrepresentation because you have expressly referred to "many of us here" as in you and the others here, meaning you side with them on the argument. And elsewhere you explicitly rejected subjectivity as I explained it, so... just more nonsense from you again.

My possible rejection of subjectivity, and side I agree with, do not give you the right to conclude how I think on a subtopic.

 

[Iti oj]

Well, first off, of course many ''christians'' disagree with me...almost all of them on RF, certainly. I'm practicality the anti-Christ here.
But aside from that, what would that actually indicate about theism? And how would you discern who is ''correct'', in the first place, especially as a non-Xian?

each claim can be treated as an individual theistic stand point. a god or at least a version of god that can be disproving. though your post was not really responding to what he said, more like ignored and went on a tangent.

 

[Desert Snake]

each claim can be treated as an individual theistic stand point. a god or at least a version of god that can be disproving. though your post was not really responding to what he said, more like ignored and went on a tangent.

No, your missing the point. The issue is whether someone ''disagreeing'' with my form of beliefs, is indicative of one or the other being incorrect, and also relevant to the OP ''theism''.

I'm not going to write a thesis, for the purpose of comparison in some arbitrary ''standard''.
That is why I already said you could simply ask me a question, and you have not done so.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Okay, let me reverse your logic (yet again).
So, basically by what you said my following argument is equally correct.
Now I know not all Muslims are like this, actually not very many at all are like this, but bear with me.

-If I only ever talked to/knew of Muslims who believe that anyone who doesn't worship Allah must be killed, all Muslims obviously believe that.
Because I talked to enough Muslims to jump to that conclusion, and I thought it through.
I've got argumentation, evidence, and can create an explanation. I must be right.-

Dude, I am not all atheists.
I am far from it. Most atheists are highly moral and normal *** people.
And you've only self concluded your ideas concerning the atheists I've seen you talk to.

That you write this garbage in stead of engaging how truth has a subjective element, means that what I say is right on. This is just more garbage you are producing.