President's Day -- Ranking the Presidents

[Stevicus]

Who was terrified of Soviet Communism?
The greedy bankers who were terrified of losing their assets.
Not certainly the American middle class. Or the proletariat.

The Red Scare propaganda had been around for decades. Also, many middle-class Americans were against communism because of its association with atheism more than any particular devotion to capitalism.

There were at least 11 bullets on the crime scene. Sirhan's gun could fire 8 of them at most.


That's a relief.

I know they are. Eight circle, fifth bolgia.

Imperialism needs horrific war and war crimes.
Nothing has changed, since they are trying to extradite Assange.
They want him in America, and some hideous criminal will stage a fake suicide or something.

His guilt? He exposed the crimes of the elitist cabal of warmongers.

Yes, it is suspicious that U.S. authorities are somewhat obsessive over Assange. That would indicate that they're afraid of something.

 

[Heyo]

It would be interesting to (frankly I probably could but I am too lazy right now) too Google the percentage of conservatives in education at the time of Eisenhower. Though in almost every way Eisenhower would be classified as a Democrat today so that it not really fair.

During the time of Eisenhower, higher education was a privilege of the wealthy (much more so than it is today). The ratio of conservatives was accordingly.

 

[Wu Wei]

Here's a direct link to the survey PDF article: http://www.brandonrottinghaus.com/u...1/presidential_greatness_white_paper_2024.pdf

And an easier to read list:

1 Lincoln 93.87
2 FD Roosevelt 90.83
3 Washington 90.32
4 T Roosevelt 78.58
5 Jefferson 77.53
6 Truman 75.34
7 Obama 73.8
8 Eisenhower 73.73
9 LB Johnson 72.86
10 Kennedy 68.37
11 Madison 67.16
12 Clinton 66.42
13 J Adams 62.66
14 Biden 62.66
15 Wilson 61.8
16 Reagan 61.62
17 Grant 60.93
18 Monroe 60.15
19 GHW Bush 58.54
20 JQ Adams 55.41
21 Jackson 54.7
22 Carter 54.26
23 Taft 51.67
24 McKinley 51.23
25 Polk 49.83
26 Cleveland 48.31
27 Ford 46.09
28 Van Buren 45.46
29 Hayes 41.15
30 Garfield 40.98
31 Harrison 40.64
32 GW Bush 40.43
33 Arthur 39.61
34 Coolidge 39.38
35 Nixon 36.41
36 Hoover 34.08
37 Tyler 32.99
38 Taylor 32.97
39 Fillmore 30.33
40 Harding 27.76
41 Harrison 26.01
42 Pierce 24.6
43 A. Johnson 21.56
44 Buchanan 16.71
45 Trump 10.92


I probably would have rated Harding below A. Johnson. I think Coolidge and Arthur should be rated higher than GW Bush. Ford should be rated lower than Fillmore.

Only thing I will say in this thread... I find it REAL hard to believe Biden is ranked 14th and Jackson is 21st.... he by the way was the last president in our history that had a national debt of $0

 

[Subduction Zone]

During the time of Eisenhower, higher education was a privilege of the wealthy (much more so than it is today). The ratio of conservatives was accordingly.

That is true too.

 

[Shaul]

Amd RWers are traditionally spearheading amd fueling anti-intellectualism in America, attacking education, criticizing science based on their ignorance of science, demanding creation mythos be taught as science, opposed to teaching the racial implications qnd nuances of US History, get science wrong some more with global warming and opposed to teaching that, and (I have personally seen this one) actively discouraging higher education because so many go and abandon many RW ideas (it's hard to deny evolution ans climate change when you learn real biology and climatology).

Oh, my, ivory tower, prattling, self-important ersatz academics don't like conservatives. This is why the common man hates them. They see how phony they are.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh, my, ivory tower, prattling, self-important ersatz academics don't like conservatives. This is why the common man hates them. They see how phony they are.

Actually America distrusted eggheads even when higher education was more Conservative.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

. Because they know that if people hear conservative ideas they will stop buying the progressive slop.

Is that why Americans want abortion, agree with Dems on climate change, support LGBT rights and better welfare programs for the poor while ending socialism for the wealthy and corporations?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Only thing I will say in this thread... I find it REAL hard to believe Biden is ranked 14th and Jackson is 21st.... he by the way was the last president in our history that had a national debt of $0

Jackson was also a genocidal puke. I would have put him closer to the bottom.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Jackson was also a genocidal puke. I would have put him closer to the bottom.

Well killing other people was not so bad then . . . Nope, sorry, I can't go on. You are right. I was just seeing how long I could play the part and could not even get a sentence out.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well killing other people was not so bad then . . . Nope, sorry, I can't go on. You are right. I was just seeing how long I could play the part and could not even get a sentence out.

Yeah, Nixon also killed some people but it boogles my mind the guy who gave us OSHA, EPA, federal funding for PP, is way lower than Jackson. I would have put Nixon in the middle.
Jackson, the $0 national debt doesn't matter much when your people aren't really a part if that, aren't included in the land of freeeom and prosperity and instead are being forced to relocate and die.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah, Nixon also killed some people but it boogles my mind the guy who gave us OSHA, EPA, federal funding for PP, is way lower than Jackson. I would have put Nixon in the middle.
Jackson, the $0 national debt doesn't matter much when your people aren't really a part if that, aren't included in the land of freeeom and prosperity and instead are being forced to relocate and die.

And economically a small deficit is a good thing. Think of it like buying a house. The value of a house goes up faster than the interest rates of most loans. If one make make the payments a house is always a good investment. The value of the country is rising faster than inflation and investing in our country is also a good thing. Praising a deficit of zero dollars only shows that one does not fully understand economics. An excessively high deficit on the other hand is not a good thing. That is what make economics both an art and a science.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wonder how they decide between FDR and Lincoln as #1. Both did some gnarly things, but they both saw the country through its bleakest chapters.
I might have put FDR at 1 for the efforts ending the Depression and a war effort that helped set up America to soar to unparalleled heights. Amd because he was physically impairment when he did it all he's an amazing role model who shows impairment doesn't necessarily disabled. You can run a nation and help kick the *** of a guy who himself was murdering those with physical and mental impairments amd encouraging societal hatred a d intolerance towards them as well.
But, Lincoln did take a bullet to the head for fixing an egregious wrong and seeing the country through an existentialist crisis.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We can say if it down to a wrestling match then it would probably still be Lincoln at one with his toughest opponent ever ,Teddy Roosevelt, at number 2, and I just don't see any way for Trump to avoid dead last there either, lol.

 

[Wu Wei]

Jackson was also a genocidal puke. I would have put him closer to the bottom.

He always spoke very highly of you... but his placement matters little to me.... but I still am incredibly surprised that Bidden is 14th, I would rate him much lower

 

[Stevicus]

I'm surprised that James Madison ranked so high (#11). I heard that he panicked when the British entered Washington to burn the Capitol and White House. While he panicked, it was his wife, Dolley Madison, who was able to direct the evacuation of the White House and was able to save the portrait of George Washington, among other valuables. At least she kept her cool.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Only thing I will say in this thread... I find it REAL hard to believe Biden is ranked 14th and Jackson is 21st.... he by the way was the last president in our history that had a national debt of $0

Biden didn't sign anything like the Indian Removal Act, so he has that over Jackson.

 

[Eddi]

I wish someone would do a similar ranking for UK prime ministers

That would be interesting but I suppose the person who did the rankings would let their personal prejudices be a factor

 

[Stevicus]

I wish someone would do a similar ranking for UK prime ministers

That would be interesting but I suppose the person who did the rankings would let their personal prejudices be a factor

The presidential rankings have often been derived as a consensus of historians, so it isn't typically one person who decides.

If it's the result of a general public opinion poll, then I would wonder how many among the general public could even name all the Presidents, let alone know enough about them to place them in a ranking.

As for the UK, I wonder if there's a ranking of all the Kings and Queens. I imagine King George III wouldn't score very high. And Henry VIII was horrible.

 

[Eddi]

As for the UK, I wonder if there's a ranking of all the Kings and Queens.

I think Victoria, Elizabeth I and Elizabeth II would top such a list

But I'm no history nerd so perhaps not

 

[metis]

Oh, my, ivory tower, prattling, self-important ersatz academics don't like conservatives. This is why the common man hates them. They see how phony they are.

"Nice" stereotype. Got any more while you're at it?

So, what you're basically saying above is that if one is an intellectual, then they also are a phony? I disbelieve even most elementary school kids could see through that stereotype.