Probability of God's Existence.

[Jeremiahcp]

I do not think that I understand your reasoning here. Are you suggesting that the existence of God can be equated to a percentage, a partial truth. I am a Christian and I believe, without reservation, that God exists, however, if you ask me for proof then I would be at a loss to provide any, as you would be to prove that he does not exist. You see, belief in God is personal to each individual, based on the faith of the believer. Probability cannot be a function of belief as it demands physical evidence that can be measured and remeasured. An individuals belief is only relevant to that individual. Which is always going to be a 100% belief or 100% disbelief and never a percentage of either. As a Christian it is expected of me to spread the word of God, not to prove His existence, that is down to the investigator, unfortunately, that reduces the OP to a non sequitur.

Having said that, our universe is teaming with unexplained phenomenon that could as easily be attributed to a supernatural God as anything else. If a value for 100% proof existed then once the value exceeded 50% Gods existence would be absolute. Evidence that includes the Big Bag, the anthropic principle, rapid expansion, dark energy and mass, abiogenesis, fine tuning, etc… to name just a few. Now In my personal estimation there are far more unexplained phenomena than resolved so you could conclude that if it were possible to use the scientific method on God's existence the results would "Probably" be in favour of God's existence.

"Are you suggesting that the existence of God can be equated to a percentage"

No, just the opposite.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Dear Jeremi, all your talk is just in your mind only.

Take care you don't get mixed up with what is purely in your mind and what is in objective reality outside and independent of your mind.

But you can use what is in your mind, as a guide to seek for the realities outside and independent of your mind, if you care to seek for realities outside and independent of your thoughts in your mind - again, using them as a guide when you conduct your expedition in the objective realm of realities outside and independent of your mind.

When you become mindless, raving mad, the objectival realm of realities continue to exist.

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Sanmario, I am only in your mind, there is no thread and you are not posting on RF.

 

[Sanmario]

The give away clue that Jeremi is not into an academically serious thread here, is his calling God a Flying Spaghetti Monster, see below, the line in bold from me.

Dear Jeremi, I invite you to tell me what you intend to convey with calling God a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Next time you start a thread, see whether it is all about thoughts in your mind only, no matter how labyrinthine you want to make it look like, the thread will be worthless to readers who want to know about the objective reality of things outside our mind and independent of our mind, instead of speculation often with no coherence and consistency in itself.

[From Sanmario]
"You see, and forgive me or forbear with me, don't you see that you must have a concept of God, to ask about the probability of God existing or not existing: otherwise I can't see you to be talking logically."

[From Jeremi]
I didn't ask about the probability of God[?], I explained how probability works, you could stick the Flying Spaghetti Monster in for God and it would still be the same.

#17 Jeremiahcp, Last edited: Yesterday at 1:58 PM

Best, dear Jeremi, you learn what is purely in your mind, and what is in the objective realm of realities outside and independent of our mind, and our mind constructs concepts in our mind to represent them correctly, as for us to be able to work on them, even without all the time having to see them with our eyes and handle them with our hands.

 

[Curious George]

Dear Jeremi, all your talk is just in your mind only.

Take care you don't get mixed up with what is purely in your mind and what is in objective reality outside and independent of your mind.

But you can use what is in your mind, as a guide to seek for the realities outside and independent of your mind, if you care to seek for realities outside and independent of your thoughts in your mind - again, using them as a guide when you conduct your expedition in the objective realm of realities outside and independent of your mind.

When you become mindless, raving mad, the objectival realm of realities continue to exist.

​

It seems this post came out of left field. Can you elaborate on how this addresses the OP in any fashion?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

The give away clue that Jeremi is not into an academically serious thread here, is his calling God a Flying Spaghetti Monster, see below, the line in bold from me.

Dear Jeremi, I invite you to tell me what you intend to convey with calling God a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Next time you start a thread, see whether it is all about thoughts in your mind only, no matter how labyrinthine you want to make it look like, the thread will be worthless to readers who want to know about the objective reality of things outside our mind and independent of our mind, instead of speculation often with no coherence and consistency in itself.

​

Best, dear Jeremi, you learn what is purely in your mind, and what is in the objective realm of realities outside and independent of our mind, and our mind constructs concepts in our mind to represent them correctly, as for us to be able to work on them, even without all the time having to see them with our eyes and handle them with our hands.

"I invite you to tell me what you intend to convey with calling God a Flying Spaghetti Monster."

You need to learn how to read, Bub.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

It seems this post came out of left field. Can you elaborate on how this addresses the OP in any fashion?

He thinks the OP is a statement about God not existing.

 

[Evie]

OK this needs to be cleared up.

Probability is the proportion of possible outcomes measured by the repeat exercise of a random event. A random event in this context is random sampling or random assignment.

Arguments about the probability of God's existence are nonsensical. Remember that probability is a measurement, and it is not the same thing as possibility.

So if we say that God has a 50% chance of existing then that make no sense at all. If God exist then God does not have a 50% chance to exist, as God already exist. If God does not exist then God does not have a 50% chance to exist, as God does not exist. So the argument makes no sense at all

Remember that it is possible outcomes; generally the debate is not about the outcome of God's existence, instead the debate is about whether or not God already exist.

Now you can say I am 50% confidant (the difference here is the 50% applies to your guess) that God exist, but since there are no empirical data, you are really just arbitrarily assigning a number to your guess of God's existence.

Just because someone assigns a chance or suggest there is a chance to one of their beliefs, that alone does not prove that belief is or could be true. Probability does not define existence, it is tool with limitations, and is only useful when applied within its proper context and support by empirical data and rational thought.

Something cannot come out of nothing. So what existed in the very beginning fin which all else came into existence.

OK this needs to be cleared up.

Probability is the proportion of possible outcomes measured by the repeat exercise of a random event. A random event in this context is random sampling or random assignment.

Arguments about the probability of God's existence are nonsensical. Remember that probability is a measurement, and it is not the same thing as possibility.

So if we say that God has a 50% chance of existing then that make no sense at all. If God exist then God does not have a 50% chance to exist, as God already exist. If God does not exist then God does not have a 50% chance to exist, as God does not exist. So the argument makes no sense at all

Remember that it is possible outcomes; generally the debate is not about the outcome of God's existence, instead the debate is about whether or not God already exist.

Now you can say I am 50% confidant (the difference here is the 50% applies to your guess) that God exist, but since there are no empirical data, you are really just arbitrarily assigning a number to your guess of God's existence.

Just because someone assigns a chance or suggest there is a chance to one of their beliefs, that alone does not prove that belief is or could be true. Probability does not define existence, it is tool with limitations, and is only useful when applied within its proper context and support by empirical data and rational thought.

 

[Evie]

Something cannot come out if nothing. What existed in the beginning to which all else owes their existence

 

[Curious George]

Something cannot come out if nothing. What existed in the beginning to which all else owes their existence

Please prove that. But what does that have to do with the OP? Shouldn't this be in the OPs "first cause" thread, not here?

 

[Evie]

Something cannot come out of nothing. So what existed in the very beginning fin which all else came into existence.

To curious George. Maybe you can prove that something can come out of absolute nothingness. Good luck. You ask me to prove my words that something cannot come out of nothing.

 

[Curious George]

To curious George. Maybe you can prove that something can come out of absolute nothingness. Good luck. You ask me to prove my words that something cannot come out of nothing.

Just quote me and I will get a notification. I asked you to prove something that you stated as fact with no qualifier or conditionals. Simply asserting something does not make it true. But if you were really curious, there are explanations how something can come from nothing.

 

[Evie]

Just quote me and I will get a notification. I asked you to prove something that you stated as fact with no qualifier or conditionals. Simply asserting something does not make it true. But if you were really curious, there are explanations how something can come from nothing.

I would be curious to know how. Even Stephen Hawkins with the BIg Bang Theoryconcedes 'something' already in existence had to cause it. And cannot give an explanation as to the 'something' already in existence. Even Natural Selection theory must begin its process by making use of something already in existence

 

[Evie]

I would be curious to know how. Even Stephen Hawkins with the BIg Bang Theoryconcedes 'something' already in existence had to cause it. And cannot give an explanation as to the 'something' already in existence. Even Natural Selection theory must begin its process by making use of something already in existence

 

[Curious George]

I would be curious to know how. Even Stephen Hawkins with the BIg Bang Theoryconcedes 'something' already in existence had to cause it. And cannot give an explanation as to the 'something' already in existence. Even Natural Selection theory must begin its process by making use of something already in existence

Interesting...in your belief, from what thing came god?

 

[Evie]

Interesting...in your belief, from what thing came god?

He called Himself I AM when Moses asked who shall I say sent me when Pharoah asks. I AM. Call it what you will our human mind is limited and unable to comprehend the very first beginning. An existence that is unimaginable to our limited human mind.

 

[Curious George]

He called Himself I AM when Moses asked who shall I say sent me when Pharoah asks. I AM. Call it what you will our human mind is limited and unable to comprehend the very first beginning. An existence that is unimaginable to our limited human mind.

Not an answer. From what thing came god?

 

[Evie]

Not an answer. From what thing came god?

God IS. It is simply common sense that everything we know to exist had to have had something which gave birth to it. And to trace back to infinity, if it were at all possible to do so There would be 'something' which possessed the ability and the necessary to 'give birth' to it all. for some reason, we are kept from knowing absolute answers to our existence.

 

[Revoltingest]

Zero !.

Close!
It's between 0.0 & 1.0.

 

[Curious George]

God IS. It is simply common sense that everything we know to exist had to have had something which gave birth to it. And to trace back to infinity, if it were at all possible to do so There would be 'something' which possessed the ability and the necessary to 'give birth' to it all. for some reason, we are kept from knowing absolute answers to our existence.

You seem to be struggling with answering this question directly. Are you saying god came from no thing?

 

[psychoslice]

Close!
It's between 0.0 & 1.0.

Of course how could I be wrong.