Problems with Belief when it comes to a Christian and Islamic God...

[Rick O'Shez]

Are you suggesting we all just sit here and die because that is what ultimately happens?

What's the alternative? Cling to a load of comforting beliefs and pretend we're not really going to die?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I do believe in God, just not in the way that you do. I cannot believe in Jesus as there is no reason to and the fact is, his entire story is from older myths. I do have faith in God but my path is eastern, as in Buddhist. I applaud that you have strong faith and have no issues in the ways that anyone follows what gives them comfort but I won't agree that we were made from mud or evolved from two people, etc. Its just not plausible.

I don’t think that either. Scripture always ALWAYS, points to something deeper. I don’t believe, by the way, just to have something “comforting”.
Yahshuah's story is similar to other myths because all things reflect what has gone before. It would have to do that.

 

[JoStories]

I don’t think that either. Scripture always ALWAYS, points to something deeper. I don’t believe, by the way, just to have something “comforting”.
Yahshuah's story is similar to other myths because all things reflect what has gone before. It would have to do that.

If that is the case, what is so special about your Jesus. And IMO, respectfully, using the name Yahshuah is insulting to the Jewish members we have here as Jesus, while Hebrew, started his own new faith and it was not Jewish. Jesus is a compilation of older myths that the RCC used to build their deity. Nothing more than that.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

If that is the case, what is so special about your Jesus. And IMO, respectfully, using the name Yahshuah is insulting to the Jewish members we have here as Jesus, while Hebrew, started his own new faith and it was not Jewish. Jesus is a compilation of older myths that the RCC used to build their deity. Nothing more than that.

Not disagreeing with you Jo, just perhaps another perspective ....
As Jesus never actually wrote anything, just those who came 2 or more
centuries later in the name of followers long passed away ...
so essentially all rumour

 

[Shad]

Not disagreeing with you Jo, just perhaps another perspective ....
As Jesus never actually wrote anything, just those who came 2 or more
centuries later in the name of followers long passed away ...
so essentially all rumour

The same applies to the Torah. Food for thought.

 

[Robert.Evans]

If that is the case, what is so special about your Jesus. And IMO, respectfully, using the name Yahshuah is insulting to the Jewish members we have here as Jesus, while Hebrew, started his own new faith and it was not Jewish. Jesus is a compilation of older myths that the RCC used to build their deity. Nothing more than that.

That is your opinion and nothing more. Yahshuah was his name, even the NT tells you that.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Not disagreeing with you Jo, just perhaps another perspective ....
As Jesus never actually wrote anything, just those who came 2 or more
centuries later in the name of followers long passed away ...
so essentially all rumour

That is just your opinion that he wrote nothing.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

That is just your opinion that he wrote nothing.

What did he write then. can you show it ?
nothing in NT is confirmed as eye witness, no historical reports of him,
the closest from Josephus who was born Joseph ben Mattathias in 37 C.E.
so also after JC reported on what Xians said .. not eye witness ...

 

[Robert.Evans]

What did he write then. can you show it ?
nothing in NT is confirmed as eye witness, no historical reports of him,
the closest from Josephus who was born Joseph ben Mattathias in 37 C.E.
so also after JC reported on what Xians said .. not eye witness ...

Sure. But he is hidden. Even events of the OT are hard to place at times physically. There is a reason for that. No idols.

 

[Milton Platt]

I know of no Christians who would describe their god in the way you have. It is difficult to have a conversation about the topic when you have presented such a specific and odd depiction.

I have heard Christians ascribe any one or all of these attributes to their god at various times. The real problem in discussing the Christian god, is that if you ask 10,000 Christians to define their god, you will probably get close to 10,000 definitions.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Sure. But he is hidden. Even events of the OT are hard to place at times physically. There is a reason for that. No idols.

Of course no Idols, nor graven images, nor forms of anything !
but how dose this explain no copies of writings by JC if he wrote any ....
or any eye witness confirmation of any of the NT events ?

 

[JoStories]

Not disagreeing with you Jo, just perhaps another perspective ....
As Jesus never actually wrote anything, just those who came 2 or more
centuries later in the name of followers long passed away ...
so essentially all rumour

I happen to agree Eliab but there is going to be some who are not happy with your response. But I do agree with you.

 

[JoStories]

That is your opinion and nothing more. Yahshuah was his name, even the NT tells you that.

I didn't say it wasn't his name. I said it is insulting to use the Hebrew name for a man who has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism. And the posts you make with their remarks are also your opinion and nothing more. The difference is, however, that I have that PhD in theology after my name. Do you?

 

[JoStories]

That is just your opinion that he wrote nothing.

No, its not. Can you point to a book or passage Jesus wrote himself? No, you cannot. There is a school of thought that because of his career; carpentry, he would have not been able to read or write as those were abilities that were only for the more educated fields.

 

[JoStories]

Sure. But he is hidden. Even events of the OT are hard to place at times physically. There is a reason for that. No idols.

So your answer to Eliab is no then. Just as I just stated. And this 'he is hidden' is a child's excuse.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

I didn't say it wasn't his name. I said it is insulting to use the Hebrew name for a man who has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism.

1) It's Aramaic.
2) He did have something to do with Judaism (and I don't just mean the likely mention in the Talmud).
3) What makes it insulting? Personally, I find it rather irritating and obnoxious when Christians insist upon calling Jesus "Yeshua" or some other transliteration. However, I don't understand how it is insulting.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

That is just your opinion that he wrote nothing.

Sort of like how it is just my opinion that that Aliens didn't write the bible. Everything can be reduced to opinion. The question is whether or not there is reason to believe that said opinions are true, and the reasons involve evidence. We have good reason to think Jesus didn't write anything, no evidence that he did, and no reason so suppose he did.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Scripture always ALWAYS, points to something deeper.

Perhaps it does, but if you keep getting hung up on the literal meaning you're never going to see what it is.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Of course no Idols, nor graven images, nor forms of anything !
but how dose this explain no copies of writings by JC if he wrote any ....
or any eye witness confirmation of any of the NT events ?

Anything relating strongly to him would be idolatrous, that is why it is missing. As for eye witness - I assume you mean secular? It is well testified to in the Text. But scripture is always hiding something and it is always the deeper meaning that is needed.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I didn't say it wasn't his name. I said it is insulting to use the Hebrew name for a man who has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism. And the posts you make with their remarks are also your opinion and nothing more. The difference is, however, that I have that PhD in theology after my name. Do you?

I have no idea why you would think he had nothing to do with Judaism considering he was a Jew and kept the law, and that is why I call him Yahshuah, because that WAS his name.
That has nothing to do with opinion.

You have a PhD in theology? Congratulations. However, scripture tells us plainly that amounts to tiddly-squat.