Progressive Losses Despite Biden's Win

[Left Coast]

Interesting NYT article today on the US election's unexpected results:

Liberals Envisioned a Multiracial Coalition. Voters of Color Had Other Ideas.

Biden's win was not a universal victory for leftists. Here in California, the attempt to overturn our ban on affirmative action failed. Prop 22, which categorizes Lyft and Uber drivers as independent contractors and was strongly campaigned against by progressive activists, passed by a wide margin. A statewide rent control measure also failed.

At the risk of trying to read tea leaves here, I think a few lessons might be learned. For one, minorities are not a monolithic voting bloc and are not as far left as many on both the Right and Left often assume. Second, higher voter turnout doesn't universally help Dems or progressive causes.

Any other lessons to be learned here, from your perspective? Anything that surprised you about results in your area, or the country in general?

Please, let's keep it respectful and free of conspiracy theories.

 

[Quetzal]

For one, minorities are not a monolithic voting bloc and are not as far left as many on both the Right and Left often assume. Second, higher voter turnout doesn't universally help Dems or progressive causes.

I agree! Especially in regards to trying to lump minorities into one voter profile. Individuals vote, not demographics. It is entirely possible to be a minority and support Republican platforms.

 

[Wandering Monk]

In their collective wisdom, Americans voted for divided government. I think it was the best option given the crap candidates we got.

It will be interesting to see how Congressional redistricting works out given the gains by Red in the House (Blue still has the majority there) and Red probably retaining the Senate.

 

[joe1776]

I consider myself radically-progressive. However, as a Californian, I would have voted down both propositions because I thought of the rejection not as Republican ideas, but as opposition to dumb-progressive ideas (with negative effects for the progressive movement).

Edit: Here's an article from the progressive site The Atlantic. The author explains why the affirmative action proposal was rejected by some progressives.

www.theatlantic.com /ideas/archive/2020/11/why-california-rejected-affirmative-action-again/617049/

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In their collective wisdom, Americans voted for divided government. I think it was the best option given the crap candidates we got.

Far better had they voted for moral government.

 

[sun rise]

I have to wonder how provocative slogans such as "defund the police" which satisfy a group hurt with the majority? I suspect that it was at least a minor if not a significant factor.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

It appears to me that the Dem leadership has so far not recognized facts such as these...Leastwise Pelosi and Shumer haven't altered their tunes that I've been able to tell, and no one has demanded them to resign from leadership based on their failure to expand Dem legislative headcount...

 

[Nakosis]

Interesting NYT article today on the US election's unexpected results:

Liberals Envisioned a Multiracial Coalition. Voters of Color Had Other Ideas.

Biden's win was not a universal victory for leftists. Here in California, the attempt to overturn our ban on affirmative action failed. Prop 22, which categorizes Lyft and Uber drivers as independent contractors and was strongly campaigned against by progressive activists, passed by a wide margin. A statewide rent control measure also failed.

At the risk of trying to read tea leaves here, I think a few lessons might be learned. For one, minorities are not a monolithic voting bloc and are not as far left as many on both the Right and Left often assume. Second, higher voter turnout doesn't universally help Dems or progressive causes.

Any other lessons to be learned here, from your perspective? Anything that surprised you about results in your area, or the country in general?

Please, let's keep it respectful and free of conspiracy theories.

The main issues that allowed Trump to win in 2016 were jobs and illegal immigration. These are issues not just for White folks.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Far better had they voted for moral government.

Whatever that means, and by whoever's definition of 'moral' you use.

 

[tytlyf]

Ask them if any watch Fox news and/or RW social media. Propaganda sees no race.
I suspect that's what happened with the Cuban vote in Miami. All the symptoms were there

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Ask them if any watch Fox news and/or RW social media. Propaganda sees no race.
I suspect that's what happened with the Cuban vote in Miami. All the symptoms were there

Yeah, because their experiences in Cuba certainly wouldn't have any effect on their political views. It's definitely all that Fox News.

 

[tytlyf]

Yeah, because their experiences in Cuba certainly wouldn't have any effect on their political views. It's definitely all that Fox News.

Nope, I've already seen the RW symptoms.
Venezuelan's in America think Trump is like Hugo Chavez. lmao

Opinion | The Venezuelan-American Vote, From a First-Timer in Florida

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Nope, I've already seen the RW symptoms.
Venezuelan's in America think Trump is like Hugo Chavez. lmao

Opinion | The Venezuelan-American Vote, From a First-Timer in Florida

Living under a left-wing dictatorship would understandably make a lot of people more right-wing.

 

[tytlyf]

Living under a left-wing dictatorship would understandably make a lot of people more right-wing.

No one is advocating a left-wing dictatorship. Outside of radical-right media of course.
So the propaganda is there to scare the herd into thinking it's an actual reality, when it's not.

How many Trump supporters thought if Biden won, America would instantly become Venezuela? I'd wager a high percentage. IOW, they were duped.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No one is advocating a left-wing dictatorship. Outside of radical-right media of course.
So the propaganda is there to scare the herd into thinking it's an actual reality, when it's not.

How many Trump supporters thought if Biden won, America would instantly become Venezuela? I'd wager a high percentage. IOW, they were duped.

I'm just saying that they're more likely to be more conservative in general. Doesn't have anything to do with Trump. This didn't start with him. He does seem to be attracting more black men to vote Republican, though. I have noticed that.

 

[InChrist]

Interesting NYT article today on the US election's unexpected results:

Liberals Envisioned a Multiracial Coalition. Voters of Color Had Other Ideas.

Biden's win was not a universal victory for leftists. Here in California, the attempt to overturn our ban on affirmative action failed. Prop 22, which categorizes Lyft and Uber drivers as independent contractors and was strongly campaigned against by progressive activists, passed by a wide margin. A statewide rent control measure also failed.

At the risk of trying to read tea leaves here, I think a few lessons might be learned. For one, minorities are not a monolithic voting bloc and are not as far left as many on both the Right and Left often assume. Second, higher voter turnout doesn't universally help Dems or progressive causes.

Any other lessons to be learned here, from your perspective? Anything that surprised you about results in your area, or the country in general?

Please, let's keep it respectful and free of conspiracy theories.

I agree with the points you made...
“minorities are not a monolithic voting bloc and are not as far left as many on both the Right and Left often assume. Second, higher voter turnout doesn't universally help Dems or progressive causes.”
I also think many minority individuals and communities are becoming tired of being used as a means for financial and political gain by Democrats and hearing the rhetoric over and over again by Democrats that they are entitled to minority votes. It appears that there are thousands of Latinos, Blacks, Asians and others who are conservative, who oppose progressive policies and agendas, and do not appreciate identity politics and see these as detrimental to their personal freedom and the well being of their communities.

 

[joe1776]

...He does seem to be attracting more black men to vote Republican, though. I have noticed that.

That hardly seems likely. Have you seen polls to support your observation?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

That hardly seems likely. Have you seen polls to support your observation?

There's Kanye, and then there were several rappers in the last weeks of the campaign that I heard expressing support for Trump...

Personally, I haven't seen any surveys or other studies, though...

 

[Revoltingest]

Interesting NYT article today on the US election's unexpected results:

Liberals Envisioned a Multiracial Coalition. Voters of Color Had Other Ideas.

Biden's win was not a universal victory for leftists. Here in California, the attempt to overturn our ban on affirmative action failed. Prop 22, which categorizes Lyft and Uber drivers as independent contractors and was strongly campaigned against by progressive activists, passed by a wide margin. A statewide rent control measure also failed.

"Liberal" & "progressive" can be very different things.
I say those are progressive results.
- Prevent legalized racial discrimination.
- Economic liberty for contractors, landlords, & tenants.

 

[Revoltingest]

Far better had they voted for moral government.

1.14% of the voters did.