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Proof of God is Proof of Science

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
There are many unproven hypotheses in science, e.g., abc conjecture,
Riemann Hypothesis. Who will prove them all?
Some will be done in conventional Research because we still have time left.
But a large part will be solved or answered by God. But who will answer the
question of God's existence? Let me try.

God has many names. One name for
God is Knowledge or Science as the quest for knowledge: ``But about that day or
hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son'' Matthew 24:36.
There is no knowledge without a knower. After all, if you know something, you
will also know that someone knows this something. And the all-knowing being
knows that there is an all-knowing being.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Trying to hang the "God" label on real things, and things like knowledge doesn't prove anything about any of the many ideas of gods. It tells us that believers feel some need to validate their beliefs, and do so in a way that is largely dishonest. To my mind this is a very negative thing for believers to do.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
There are many unproven hypotheses in science

Yeah, like.... all of them. Including theories. Science is not in the business of "proving" things.
This is an elementary failure on your part for someone who claims to be an expert.

, e.g., abc conjecture,

No, the sole alternative to "not proven" is not "conjecture".

But a large part will be solved or answered by God

That's quite the claim.

God has many names. One name for
God is Knowledge or Science as the quest for knowledge: ``But about that day or
hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son'' Matthew 24:36.
There is no knowledge without a knower. After all, if you know something, you
will also know that someone knows this something. And the all-knowing being
knows that there is an all-knowing being.
Nice assumed conclusion.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
There are many unproven hypotheses in science, e.g., abc conjecture,
A scientific hypothesis is an intelligent guess based on observation, which can be tested. If it can't be tested, it is not a scientific hypothesis.
Riemann Hypothesis.
You seem to be confusing science with math.
Who will prove them all?
Some will be done in conventional Research because we still have time left.
But a large part will be solved or answered by God. But who will answer the
question of God's existence? Let me try.

God has many names. One name for
God is Knowledge or Science as the quest for knowledge: ``But about that day or
hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son'' Matthew 24:36.
There is no knowledge without a knower. After all, if you know something, you
will also know that someone knows this something. And the all-knowing being
knows that there is an all-knowing being.
Talk about rambling. This was worthy of Trump.
 

Trysdar

Member
There are many unproven hypotheses in science, e.g., abc conjecture,
Riemann Hypothesis. Who will prove them all?
This is about maths and by the way, the word hypothesis is used in a wrong way, because it should be conjecture (e.g. Riemann conjecture and so on) and not hypothesis.

Then maths is not science as both don't work at all the same way.

Maths is about proving a conclusion from given hypotheses, through a reasoning path from the hypotheses to that conclusion.
The hypotheses are not the goal, the conclusion is the goal.
A conjecture appears when mathematicians think there could likely be a reasoning path from the given hypotheses to the desired conclusion, but this path has not been found yet.

Science (physics, biology, etc.) is not about proving conclusions from given hypotheses. It's somewhat the reverse.
In science, the conclusions are facts and observations about the reality, and the hypotheses are the theories and there is a logical reasoning from the theories trying to explain the facts and observations.
There, hypotheses are the desired goal, not the conclusion.
Scientific activity consists in discovering new facts or new observations such that the logical reasoning from hypothetical theories to facts and observations is REFUTED.
Increase of knowledge appears when we have REFUTED a theory through facts and observations that this theory could not explain before.

Science never proves a theory, it only disproves theories.
A theory that no new fact or new observation could disprove is only corroborated, not proved.
E.g. Einstein's theory of General Relativity is very well corroborated, but only corroborated, not proved, and physicists are striving hard to disprove it, though without luck for the moment.
If they could manage to disprove it, we could make a great leap of knowledge about the physical reality.


Sure science can use maths. But science also uses language. But language is not science.
Science uses tools but tools are not science themselves.

God has many names. One name for
God is Knowledge or Science as the quest for knowledge: ``But about that day or
hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son'' Matthew 24:36.
There is no knowledge without a knower. After all, if you know something, you
will also know that someone knows this something. And the all-knowing being
knows that there is an all-knowing being.
Well, does this all-knowing being, that you call "God" has also free will ?
And do we, human beings, have free will ?
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Well, does this all-knowing being, that you call "God" has also free will ?
And do we, human beings, have free will ?
Yes, we are not pre-determined beings, because we can only guess about the future. And since God is Luck (look my paper "Proof of Luck"), He can predict the future. The prediction of Final Judgment Jesus has left to His Father, as "Father is more than I". More about it:

Time flows in eternity. And all the joy that comes from eternity is drowned out by the fact that we temporarily go through illnesses and unpleasantness. Today, now, is eternity. This is a special coordinate system (special dimensions) in which, in Einstein's words, "spooky action through distance" takes place. Einstein believed that "today" is an illusion, teaching his students: "time is a very persistent illusion." No, it is an eternity.
 
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