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Proof that "our father" is real

it's_sam

Freak of Nature
His heartbeat is his people that follow the path they see. His mind is in the words of those peoples love for him and what he gave to us to explore. His feet is the conversation of his people moving and growing in its range. His body is the care his people will give to others in need. His emotions are expressed in the art we make from his glory. His eyes are the light that gives us sight, we see him as much as he see's us. We live with him as much as he lives with us, his life is real and ticking and growing along with all of us. To say this isn't real is beyond a defense, but we will try and help everyone understand.
 

it's_sam

Freak of Nature
Forgot to mention his will is done through his people that defend what is right, and not defending their "rights".
 

Zadok

Zadok
Forgot to mention his will is done through his people that defend what is right, and not defending their "rights".

Who are “his people”? Where are they and how long have they been around? And where were they when the Lucayans were murdered in total mass genocide for not converting to Traditional Christianity?

Zadok
 

it's_sam

Freak of Nature
Who are “his people”? Where are they and how long have they been around? And where were they when the Lucayans were murdered in total mass genocide for not converting to Traditional Christianity?
Anyone with a higher focus and/or a focus more deserving to others then themselves. just how i see it.
 

Eliot Wild

Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
Forgot to mention his will is done through his people that defend what is right, and not defending their "rights".



Ahhh, here is the rub. How do we determine what is ultimately right? I have people living in my community who claim to know God, and they believe so strongly that they are tuned to his Will that they force their beliefs on others. For example, they believe God doesn't want us drinking alcohol on Sundays, so by sheer force of numbers they impose their interpretation of God's Will on the rest of the community by making it illegal to purchase alcohol on Sundays.

Now, of course we could extend this particular debate to the political arena and question whether or not the democratic process is somewhat flawed by allowing the majority to force their views on the minority.

But it seems to me that as Christians, they should be willing to live and let live. If they don't want to drink on Sunday because they believe God's Will forbids it, then fine, they don't have to. But why do they choose to force their beliefs on me by means of political force?

I guess I shouldn't complain though, because having to suffer through a Sunday evening dinner without wine because I forgot to pick some up on Saturday isn't nearly as bad as having my head blown off by a religious extremists who is bombing an abortion clinic or waging jihad against infidels.

I sincerely mean no offense, but my point is this, it is all well and good to break out some pretty lyrical prose about proof that God is real. In my mind, there is nothing at all wrong with assumptions as to God's existence based on metaphorical evidence, such as God's heartbeat being perceived as the people who follow His path, and so on and so on. And really, the poetry of the OP was quite respectable, in my humble opinion.

However, I find it a little bit unsettling when people, poets or otherwise, believe they are carrying out God's Will.

Worship whomever you choose, as that is your right. But truly, if there is a God, only He knows His Will, everybody else is just guessing.
 

Duck

Well-Known Member
Forgot to mention his will is done through his people that defend what is right, and not defending their "rights".

Defending "rights" IS what is right. Defending my "rights" defends your "rights" and IS what is right.

Since I have just proven that defending "rights" IS what is right, I fully expect you to support my right to marry the person of my choice regardless of their gender. I fully expect you to support legislation preventing me from being fired from my job because of who I sleep with off the job. Just as I fully support your {existing} right to not be fired because of the god you worship, your national origin, sex, skin color or disability. Just as I fully support your {existing} right to marry the person of your choice.
 

jml03

Member
For me, I grew up i a pretty normal household. Dad drank a bit, Mom worked part time. They believed in God, though did not practice any form of worship - except maybe prayer at bedtime. At a young age, I tried alcohol & drugs. Married very early, to escape the rules of the parents - and oh I though I was SO in love. Continued the drugs and drinking. Eventually ended up in a rehab - twice to kick a prescription drug habit. My point is, I was always trying to fill a void. I could never fill it.

Divorced, married again, had two kids - still addicted to drugs. Went to church off and on, thinking God would just fix me & then I thought I wasn't worthy, since He didn't. I never let go of control. I would always pray, and then I would talk myself into thinking I could fix it on my own again. Relapse.

One day, I truly prayed to God to remove this from me. I gave up all control over it. When the thought crossed my mind, I prayed for strength. He gave it to me. I go to church, not because I live in the Bible Belt of the US, but because I want to. I teach a children's class & have bible study. I don't believe God exists from just the words I read - I FEEL HIM. I no longer have the void that I had created in my heart. God fills it for me. If I could put a label on the feeling of fullness I have today, it is like butterflies in my heart. I have a peace that I have never experienced until now. I thank God everyday for sparing my life through all the binges, and for sparing others that I came into contact with at the time.

God is real, and I don't expect anyone to believe it just because I say it.
 

Wandered Off

Sporadic Driveby Member
His heartbeat is his people that follow the path they see. His mind is in the words of those peoples love for him and what he gave to us to explore. His feet is the conversation of his people moving and growing in its range. His body is the care his people will give to others in need. His emotions are expressed in the art we make from his glory. His eyes are the light that gives us sight, we see him as much as he see's us. We live with him as much as he lives with us, his life is real and ticking and growing along with all of us. To say this isn't real is beyond a defense, but we will try and help everyone understand.
Why personify all those actions conglomerated together? Does it enhance our understanding? Viewing them as a deity adds a layer of potential confusion. For example, justice is a great concept, but making it out to be a real entity wouldn't do anything to help us understand the part justice plays or should play in our everyday life. It would add an unnecessary layer of complexity to consider how we interact with it.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
His heartbeat is his people that follow the path they see. His mind is in the words of those peoples love for him and what he gave to us to explore. His feet is the conversation of his people moving and growing in its range. His body is the care his people will give to others in need. His emotions are expressed in the art we make from his glory. His eyes are the light that gives us sight, we see him as much as he see's us. We live with him as much as he lives with us, his life is real and ticking and growing along with all of us. To say this isn't real is beyond a defense, but we will try and help everyone understand.

I see many assertions and anthropomorphic comparisons. But no proof.
 

Zadok

Zadok
Anyone with a higher focus and/or a focus more deserving to others then themselves. just how i see it.

That is not a bad description of the Lucayans – Their society had no jails, no judges, no police, no military. Their vocabulary had no expression for war or murder and they had no weapons defensive or offensive which made them easy targets so they were plundered and obliterated. It would seem that the people you describe are purity much run of; should they make themselves known. They were destroyed not by atheists or heretics but by main stream believers of prominent religions.

It would therefore appear that if one is looking to align with such persons they would likely be more successful looking outside the “main” stream popular religious structures.
 
can we please be a little more respectful of the term 'proof' from now on?

if the OP is proof then it would make it possible for every person on the planet who's ever heard a metaphor to 'prove' whatever they wanted to.


i repeat: there's an invisible dragon living in my garage.
 

Duck

Well-Known Member
can we please be a little more respectful of the term 'proof' from now on?

if the OP is proof then it would make it possible for every person on the planet who's ever heard a metaphor to 'prove' whatever they wanted to.


i repeat: there's an invisible dragon living in my garage.

Sweet! Dragons make the best s'mores on this or any three planets of your choice!
 
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