Prop 8 Protesters attack old lady supporting Prop 8

[Apex]

Link
Watch the end of the video.

Found this at Mormanity with this accompanying it.

The rage against diversity of thought is reaching warlike proportions in some parts of California. Witness the frightening way "democracy" (as in mob rule) worked when a Christian woman dared to show up at a Prop. 8 protest in Palm Springs. Be sure to watch the very end where they show how the incident began. Tolerance? Love? Freedom of speech and thought? This is one of the more frightening things I've seen.
This video should become part of the standard training to help people recognize genuine hate crimes.

The commentator said something about seeing "a lot of hate on both sides." Where was the hate of the Christian woman? Was it in her smile as she was assailed and threatened? Was it in trying to pick up the cross that protesters tore from her hands and stomped on? Was it in refusing to shout and curse the angry mob around her? Or was it in having a differing view and daring to express it with a visible symbol (the cross)? Help me spot the hate here.

 

[Mathematician]

Looks like she was favoring the Proposition and the protesters were against it. I can't say I feel much remorse for the woman.

 

[Apex]

Can a mod change the title, just noticed it should be "Prop 8 Protesters.." not "supporters". Got my words mixed up.

 

[Quagmire]

Can a mod change the title, just noticed it should be "Prop 8 Protesters.." not "supporters". Got my words mixed up.

Done.

 

[Father Heathen]

Link
Watch the end of the video.

Found this at Mormanity with this accompanying it.

Seems to me like she was deliberately instigating.

 

[lilithu]

I do NOT think it is justified to attack someone for holding different views. However, why was this woman attending the rally in the first place? It seems to me that she went out of her way to raise the ire of the protesters just so that this would happen and it could be filmed.

Which is an additional reason why marriage equality advocates should not stoop to violence. First, just based on principle (you are better than that!), and second, because the other side will intentionally evoke and then use these incidents as negative PR.

 

[Father Heathen]

Apex, how is she different from the evangelical guy you mentioned that liked to drag the Book of Mormon around on a string at LDS events?

 

[Apex]

I am sorry everyone, I forgot that little old ladies are not allowed to show dissenting opinions in a peaceful manner on public property. How silly of me.

 

[lilithu]

I am sorry everyone, I forgot that little old ladies are not allowed to show dissenting opinions in a peaceful manner on public property. How silly of me.

And I too am sorry. I forgot that the only responses that were welcome were the ones that agree with you.

 

[Father Heathen]

I am sorry everyone, I forgot that little old ladies are not allowed to show dissenting opinions in a peaceful manner on public property. How silly of me.

Oh, please. No one here is saying that she isn't allowed to show dissenting opinions.

If someone were to show up at a crowd of blacks demonstrating for equality with a sign that read "get to the back of the bus", would you really be shocked if that person was met with hostility?

 

[LittlePinky82]

I do NOT think it is justified to attack someone for holding different views. However, why was this woman attending the rally in the first place? It seems to me that she went out of her way to raise the ire of the protesters just so that this would happen and it could be filmed.

Which is an additional reason why marriage equality advocates should not stoop to violence. First, just based on principle (you are better than that!), and second, because the other side will intentionally evoke and then use these incidents as negative PR.

It's called entrapment.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Oh, please. No one here is saying that she isn't allowed to show dissenting opinions.

If someone were to show up at a crowd of blacks demonstrating for equality with a sign that read "get to the back of the bus", would you really be shocked if that person was met with hostility?

Right. A little common sense goes a long way.

 

[gnomon]

Link
Watch the end of the video.

Found this at Mormanity with this accompanying it.

They were wrong to yank the cross out of her hands and stomp on it.

It was also belligerent.

It also has nothing to do with the issue.

edit: Forgot.
:clap

 

[texan1]

They were wrong to yank the cross out of her hands and stomp on it.

It was also belligerent.

It also has nothing to do with the issue.

edit: Forgot.
:clap

I agree. Incidents like this are unfortunate, but I would hope that we don't judge whether or not the law is fair based on how a few protesters act.

 

[MoonWater]

is there another link to this video? The other one was deleted.

 

[Smoke]

is there another link to this video? The other one was deleted.

I found a video of a video.

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YouTube - ‪Palm Springs Cross Stomping‬‎

They ripped her cross out of her hands and stomped on it. She wasn't physically attacked, and frankly I wouldn't have cared if she had been. You take away people's rights and then come out to gloat waving a big *** cross around, you take your chances.

They shouldn't have taken her cross and stomped on it. No doubt about that. But the circumstances shouldn't have existed, and they existed precisely because of that self-righteous old **** and people like her. What she and those like her did to others was far worse than anything that was done to them. Don't come crying to me if you wade into a crowd of angry people who have just been deprived of equal rights, waving your cross around and gloating. I wouldn't have cared if they'd flipped her car. However, it behooves us to behave better than Christians, precisely because they're cynical enough and hypocritical enough to use any incident like this to pretend they're the victims.

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YouTube - ‪Anti proposition 8 protesters harass little old lady.‬‎

Notice how there's a sympathetic newswoman right there to talk about how she and Burgess are being "attacked." If you can't behave impeccably on these occasions, it always bites you in the ***, because then it becomes a story about a poor little old lady who got her cross snatched.

If they wanted to get aggressive, they'd have done better to burn down city hall, or a church. If they were going to get bad press, they might as well have got some really bad press. A temper tantrum just looks bad, but a riot freaks people out.

 

[T-Dawg]

They shouldn't have taken her cross and stomped on it. No doubt about that.

What? Why not? The Cross is a symbol of Evil and stomping on it is a righteous act. The lady should be ashamed of herself for sporting such despicable imagery, and the protestors were righteous in destroying it (assuming they paid the lady or whoever owned it for the object to compensate for their loss of property).

 

[Storm]

 

[T-Dawg]

I don't think she was physically hitting them with her cross like the guy in the picture . But the point remains; she deserved it.

 

[DallasApple]

I just got through talkign to "people" today that are "convinced" "pastors" will be "forced " to marry gay people..

They wont "believe" that the constitution protects our rights to freedom to pracitce our religion...

They say "yeah but it was ILLEGAL for gays to get married now its not going to be ..

One lady said that in "other countries" pastors are being "put in jail" for preaching that homosexuality is a "sin".

I tried to POUND it through her head..Its a LEGAL right..Not a "reigious" right and no one is going to "force" any church or pastor..any priest..any Rabbi ..any anyone to "marry gays"..under "penalty" of civil let alone CRIMINAL threat...

They said "yeah we'll see"..

Love

Dallas