Prophecies Jesus failed to fulfill?

[TrueBeliever37]

You need more than unsupported nonsense. When you accuse others of "carnal thinking' you take on a burden of proof. How are you going to prove that?

As I said state your specifics, and I will defend my position.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Seems like you are afraid to me, since you just want to argue rather than debate.

No. You screwed up. Not just with me, but with others too. People were talking about specific verses. You declared them to be wrong without even knowing what verses they were discussing. In fact this attitude tells us that you do not understand your own Bible.

Do you want to be taken seriously? Then you should apologize for making claims where you really have no clue.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As I said state your specifics, and I will defend my position.

Too late. Come on. You can do it. If you screwed up and refuse to own up to it then why would anyone expect a proper discussion from you. Just admit that you screwed up .

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Too late. Come on. You can do it. If you screwed up and refuse to own up to it then why would anyone expect a proper discussion from you. Just admit that you screwed up .

I can tell you really have no idea what you are talking about. YOU just want to argue. I am not interested in your view anymore.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I can tell you really have no idea what you are talking about. YOU just want to argue. I am not interested in your view anymore.

No, I like to debate. There is a difference. In a debate one must support one's ideas and do so honestly. You made a mistake. It is no big deal. We all do that at times. The problem is that you will not own up to an obvious mistake and will not admit it. That tells us that you do not want an honest debate. You only want to preach. And preaching is not allowed on this forum. But debating is.

 

[Firenze]

cOLTER, He was the Jewish messiah, most of them just missed him. The prophecies haven't failed. What has failed is man's understanding of the prophecies.

Isn't that convenient? Here's your equivalent 'argument' - "Oh, the sun really is blue. You just don't understand what blue is...."

 

[Subduction Zone]

Isn't that convenient? Here's your equivalent 'argument' - "Oh, the sun really is blue. You just don't understand what blue is...."

What was even worse is that he did not know what verses were being discussed when he made his claim. Maybe we were wrong, but it could have been for a different reason than he posted. But odds are that we were right.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

No, I like to debate. There is a difference. In a debate one must support one's ideas and do so honestly. You made a mistake. It is no big deal. We all do that at times. The problem is that you will not own up to an obvious mistake and will not admit it. That tells us that you do not want an honest debate. You only want to preach. And preaching is not allowed on this forum. But debating is.

You are a poor debater. I am willing to defend my position. But you are only able to make accusations. You don't know what you are talking about. There are many different scriptures that deal with the topic at hand, and I just want someone to commit to specifics and I will deal with it. Vague generalities are difficult to discuss.

And as for you - you don't even believe in God. So nothing I say would convince you. You just like to argue.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

No, I like to debate. There is a difference. In a debate one must support one's ideas and do so honestly. You made a mistake. It is no big deal. We all do that at times. The problem is that you will not own up to an obvious mistake and will not admit it. That tells us that you do not want an honest debate. You only want to preach. And preaching is not allowed on this forum. But debating is.

You haven't presented your ideas even when I asked you to. And you are definitely being dishonest about me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are a poor debater. I am willing to defend my position. But you are only able to make accusations. You don't know what you are talking about. There are many different scriptures that deal with the topic at hand, and I just want someone to commit to specifics and I will deal with it. Vague generalities are difficult to discuss.

No, I simply do not allow people to make obvious errors and ignore them. You screwed up by saying people were wrong without even knowing what they were talking about. That was an error on your part. You should have asked people what verses they were discussing at the very beginning.

And as for you - you don't even believe in God. So nothing I say would convince you. You just like to argue.

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Wow! Now there is some major projection on your part. That is almost surely your problem. I can change my mind because I reason rationally. The question is do you? I like to debate, not argue. Right now you are the one that is arguing. I am correcting and explaining. I know, you want to try to insult someone and keep within the rules here.

If you want a debate then simply admit that you should not have rushed to judgment.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You haven't presented your ideas even when I asked you to. And you are definitely being dishonest about me.

You failed to ask properly. You came in with false claims and then would not own up to them.

What is so difficult with that? When I make a clear error I admit it. Once again, you claimed that we were wrong and gave a reason as to why we were wrong without even knowing what the discussion was about. On the very very slight chance that we were wrong we could have been wrong for reasons other than you stated. There is even a microscopically small possibility that your reasons were correct, but since you did not know that for sure you were wrong to state your assessment as you did.

 

[Muffled]

No, I did not take my prophecy out of context. In fact in context it is clear that he is talking to the disciples and that some of them would still be alive when he came back. That was close to 2,000 years ago and he is not back yet. Do you want to go over Matthew 34? And remember, an excuse is not a refutation. "He could have possibly meant this very unlikely thing" would be a loss on your side. You need to go with what the Bible actually says.

I believe that is a big stretch to say that those specific words were about the Disciples just be cause he was answering their questions. It makes more sense that the answers were about the questions not the questioners.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe that is a big stretch to say that those specific words were about the Disciples just be cause he was answering their questions. It makes more sense that the answers were about the questions not the questioners.

What!? Seriously? When a person is talking to a group and he says "some of you. . ." he is not talking about people in that group and not some strangers?

I think that you are making a stretch that not even this guy could make: