Protect Privacy and Speech, oppose the EARN-IT bill

[icehorse]

Good idea (fight child porn), horrible implementation.

Please oppose the Graham-Blumenthal "EARN-IT" bill that would allow AG Barr (and others) to outlaw encryption:

Protect our Speech and Security Online: Reject the Graham-Blumenthal Bill | EFF Action Center

 

[Stanyon]

Your free speech and security have already been compromised, just ask those who have lost their jobs over Facebook posts. law enforcement already has honeytraps etc. which I don't mind in the case of catching pedophiles and fighting child porn.

 

[icehorse]

Your free speech and security has already been compromised, just ask those who have list their jobs over Facebook posts. law enforcement already has honeytraps etc. which I don't mind in the case of catching pedophiles and fighting child porn.

So that means we should be okay with further invasions?

I think we need to fight for every inch of the civil liberties we have and contest every incursion.

 

[Stanyon]

So that means we should be okay with further invasions?

They are already in, there is nothing you can do but unplug.

 

[icehorse]

They are already in, there is nothing you can do but unplug.

Wait, what? We still have encryption, right?

 

[shmogie]

Good idea (fight child porn), horrible implementation.

Please oppose the Graham-Blumenthal "EARN-IT" bill that would allow AG Barr (and others) to outlaw encryption:

Protect our Speech and Security Online: Reject the Graham-Blumenthal Bill | EFF Action Center

As long as the standard is probable cause, the same standard for obtaining a warrant to search your home, or tap your phone, then this is perfectly appropriate.

No right is unlimited, and the judiciary decides if they must be limited for an individual, and if so, issues a warrant.

Because tech companies can create unbreakable encryption, it doesn't mean they have the right to ignore law enforcement requests to decrypt when the need to do so has been established in court.

If I have documents that the court orders me to surrender, having them in an impregnable vault doesn't relieve me of the legal responsibility to surrender them. I go to jail.

The same should be for tech companies who fail to turn over material demanded via a warrant based on individual probable cause.

 

[icehorse]

As long as the standard is probable cause, the same standard for obtaining a warrant to search your home, or tap your phone, then this is perfectly appropriate.

No right is unlimited, and the judiciary decides if they must be limited for an individual, and if so, issues a warrant.

Because tech companies can create unbreakable encryption, it doesn't mean they have the right to ignore law enforcement requests to decrypt when the need to do so has been established in court.

If I have documents that the court orders me to surrender, having them in an impregnable vault doesn't relieve me of the legal responsibility to surrender them. I go to jail.

The same should be for tech companies who fail to turn over material demanded via a warrant based on individual probable cause.

It seems to me that our AG has demonstrated that he's not that interested in upholding our civil liberties. Instead, he seems quite obviously intent on increasing the powers of the executive branch, and probably of the judicial branch as well. In other words, to undermine checks and balances.

 

[shmogie]

It seems to me that our AG has demonstrated that he's not that interested in upholding our civil liberties. Instead, he seems quite obviously intent on increasing the powers of the executive branch, and probably of the judicial branch as well. In other words, to undermine checks and balances.

I doubt that very much.

I know he wants the law applied where it should be, and there is no better place to apply it than to child pornographers.

They are the absolute scum of the earth, fellow travelers with child molesters and child killers.

As long as it is done legally with proper safeguards, hunting them down is a noble endeavor.

 

[sun rise]

I doubt that very much.

I know he wants the law applied where it should be, and there is no better place to apply it than to child pornographers.

They are the absolute scum of the earth, fellow travelers with child molesters and child killers.

As long as it is done legally with proper safeguards, hunting them down is a noble endeavor.

So you utterly trust that the Federal Government will always do the right thing? Even a left-leaning government with AOC as President? I'll have to change my view of your politics and recalibrate that you trust government to do the right thing more than I do.

It is quite a revelation.

 

[icehorse]

As long as it is done legally with proper safeguards, hunting them down is a noble endeavor.

There's the rub. This AG seems intent on reducing our civil liberties.

 

[Stanyon]

There's the rub. This AG seems intent on reducing our civil liberties.

They are already doing this without a signed paper.

 

[icehorse]

They are already doing this without a signed paper.

Your point is... ?

(I guess your point is why not make the erosion of our liberties easier and more widespread?)