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Proving The Existence of Your God to Others

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Why?

If I told you that the god I worship brings me peace, and that it helps me to live without anxiety and depression, would I have to prove to you the existence of that god? If so, why?
Yes, if you don't keep it to yourself. If you keep it to yourself, then you don't have to. As soon as you start telling others about it, you need to prove it or otherwise, claiming something without proof is good as lying.

Proofs are important because following the truth is important. Follow the truth is important because when people are allowed to make up reality and follow falsehood, it carries on to spheres like politics and results in death of innocents.
 

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The problem is you can't really 'prove' abstracts in the common understanding of 'prove'. You can't prove numbers, justice or grammar exist.
You can easily prove God by remembering he sees you exactly as you are, nothing else can, and you need to be seen to exist accurately because you are qualia and require judgment to who you are.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Why?

If I told you that the god I worship brings me peace, and that it helps me to live without anxiety and depression, would I have to prove to you the existence of that god? If so, why?
Yes, and this is why each person has to do his/her own search and then go in the direction that seems to better fit him or her.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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Yes, if you don't keep it to yourself. If you keep it to yourself, then you don't have to. As soon as you start telling others about it, you need to prove it or otherwise, claiming something without proof is good as lying.
Yes, and this is why each person has to do his/her own search and then go in the direction that seems to better fit him or her.
Would my no longer being anxious or depressed be adequate evidence for the existence of such a god? If not, why not?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
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This is inspired by a thread where a theist posted a video that has a biochemist arguing the existence of God.

Do you find it necessary to prove to atheists or theists who believe in other gods than your own that your god exists?

Why or why not?
Gosh no. That would be egotistical. People come to their own beliefs on their own accord via experiences. Most people just want to be left alone, even the folks who don't leave others alone, and that goes for a ton of other topics besides religion with regard to unsolicited advice. Of course, asking for advice is another matter.
 

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Would my no longer being anxious or depressed be adequate evidence for the existence of such a god? If not, why not?
As far as I am aware, different entities (Jinn) have telepathic abilities and may or may not be guided. I was happier as a new Age person. Islam is a lot more sad especially when you in a constant state of understanding it's warnings and take them seriously. I don't choose the type of God I want nor choose religion on happiness.

To me, to be happy or sad depends on the situation. The situation mankind is in, is not something to be happy about. Sorrow (constantly) is for a person who is a constant reflective state. They don't reflect - rather their state is constant reflection and awareness of the situation.

Those who reflect once in a while will be sad once in a while. But in short, happiness is not a measurement of success nor truth.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Would my no longer being anxious or depressed be adequate evidence for the existence of such a god? If not, why not?

I can't speak for that because God (or Gods) cannot be studied and tested. But if it works for you, then appreciate that.

For me, there's comfort for dealing with whatever the reality is through study and meditation/contemplation as my form of prayer.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
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This is inspired by a thread where a theist posted a video that has a biochemist arguing the existence of God.

Do you find it necessary to prove to atheists or theists who believe in other gods than your own that your god exists?

Why or why not?
Not being a theist, I can't answer the question. I will say, however, that unless I want someone else to believe as I do about anything, I should be prepared to give them my best reasons for believing as I do. And this is about any subject, not just God. And that's the whole point -- my beliefs serve to inform my actions, and I've no responsibility to prove myself to anyone.

However, if one wants to do missionary work -- that is, to change the beliefs of others -- then I think one would want to be able to prove one's belief is true. To expect someone to believe something for no other reason than that you do is a bit too sure of oneself, in my view.

Still, it can't be denied that missionaries have done exactly that -- changed the beliefs of others. Never, so far as I can determine, because they had proof of what they believed, and far too often using cruel methods. Read up, for example, on missionary activities in the Indian state of Goa, the persecution of African religions by both Muslims and Christians. Holland in the 17th century was home to many Jewish "Conversos" from Spain, where forced conversion was very real.
 

F1fan

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Gosh no. That would be egotistical. People come to their own beliefs on their own accord via experiences. Most people just want to be left alone, even the folks who don't leave others alone, and that goes for a ton of other topics besides religion with regard to unsolicited advice. Of course, asking for advice is another matter.
We read criticism towards non-believers/skeptics when the challenge religious belief. My approach is that I will leave anyone to their religious beliefs, and won't challenge them, unless it is an issue in open deabte. To my mind many believers want to advocate for their beliefs but aren't aware why they believe at all, and what the believe. Some get a bit of a shock in open debate. I think it is all part of the experience as being human.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This is inspired by a thread where a theist posted a video that has a biochemist arguing the existence of God.

Do you find it necessary to prove to atheists or theists who believe in other gods than your own that your god exists?

Why or why not?
You mean a quack biochemist supporting fake journals made up by Creation Science Institute with their own unaccredited peer reviews.

Bottom line is they cannot even begin to prove something that simply isn't there.

His argument is, its complicated , so it's therefore god.

God exists only in people's minds and that's where it will always be. That's the proof of where God is, and where God exists.
 

Quintessence

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Yes, if you don't keep it to yourself. If you keep it to yourself, then you don't have to. As soon as you start telling others about it, you need to prove it or otherwise, claiming something without proof is good as lying.
This is just so incredibly bizarre to me. Because we really do not apply this ridiculous standard to the vast majority of interpersonal interactions in our lives because doing so would be... well... just plain stupid and unreasonable. If I tell other humans my favorite color is green - not keeping it to myself that I have a favorite color and that it is green and tell others about it - why on earth would I need to "prove" to other humans that my favorite color is green? And if I don't "prove" my favorite color is what it is, I'm lying somehow? Just... what the hell?

Why is it not ridiculous and stupid to place this burden on me deciding what my gods are? Outsiders no sooner get to tell me what my gods are than they get to tell me what my favorite color is. And demands of "proof" for what I get to deify and call sacred, are just dumb. Assuming I'm a liar because I get to make decisions in my life about what I worship is even worse.
 

Quagmire

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This is inspired by a thread where a theist posted a video that has a biochemist arguing the existence of God.

Do you find it necessary to prove to atheists or theists who believe in other gods than your own that your god exists?

Why or why not?
No, because I'm sure that if God wanted to prove His existence to someone He'd just do it Himself
 

PureX

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Yes, if you don't keep it to yourself. If you keep it to yourself, then you don't have to. As soon as you start telling others about it, you need to prove it or otherwise, claiming something without proof is good as lying.
This is a very common "kangaroo court" mentality that seem to be quite popular these days. Wherein we presume everyone else is a defendant in our own personal kangaroo court, where we decide what is and isn't 'evidence', and we decide what is and isn't 'reason', and we decided that our worldview is the correct one, in advance of hearing about any others, so that anyone with another view must then convince us against our will that theirs is 'superior' to ours before we will deign to take it seriously. Otherwise, it's immediate dismissal on the grounds of "no evidence, bad reasoning, and the judge is always right". :)
Proofs are important because following the truth is important.
Proof is actually irrelevant as the threshold for achieving "proof" status is completely subjective.
Follow the truth is important because when people are allowed to make up reality and follow falsehood, it carries on to spheres like politics and results in death of innocents.
True and false are relative value judgments that we make based on our currently held cognitive facsimile of reality. It would be unwise to ignore it, but also unwise to place too much emphasis on it.
 
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