Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's all well and good, but Christianity is certainly nestled among the various mythological Greek and Roman pantheon of God's and demigods.
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Proving With The Bible That Jesus Was NEVER Needed And Is A Con Artist
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Trailblazer
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God never said He is Jesus.
Jesus never said He is God.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it is not nestled but stands apart in stark contrast.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe God calls HIm His son and that is good enough for me.
Jesus says He is one with the Father and that is good enough for me.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
In what way?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That means Jesus is not God, Jesus is the Son of God. A son is not His father.
“I and my Father are one” (John 10:30) means that Jesus and God are one and the same, so whatever pertains to Jesus, all His acts and doings, are identical with the Will of the Father. Jesus and God also share the same Holy Spirit, so in that sense they are one and the same. Jesus also shares the Attributes of God so in that sense they are one and the same.
The verse below says that God was manifest in the flesh; it does not say that God became flesh. God cannot become flesh because God is spirit, according to the Bible.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Moreover, God is and has always been immensely exalted beyond all that can either be recounted or perceived, everlastingly hidden from the eyes of men. That means that God can never be seen. Jesus was seen by many, therefore Jesus cannot be God.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it is not nestled because it does not come from the same source.
I believe the contrast is that Jesus is without sin but the gods were very sinful.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that would be so if God were a man but He is not. God is quite capable of being both Son and Father and horde of brothers and sisters as well.
I believe this is not so. The Father does not have a body and Jesus does.
I believe God was not seen in Jesus because God can't be seen but He is there just the same. We know God by His words and His actions.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
El is the Canaanite high god. The Hebews recognized both gods, and others, until they decided to worship Yahweh alone, so they absorbed other gods' identities into Yahweh. Not sure what Ha El is, but Ha is an Egyptian god I think.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I believe that we can know Jesus by His words and actions as recorded in the New Testament.
I do not believe we can know God through His words and actions since God does not speak except through Messengers and God does not act, but rather God Wills and it is done.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I do not believe attributes were attributed to Yahweh from El. I believe El is just the word for God just as God is our word for God.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the Bible has many occasions where God spoke and acted.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
El and Yahweh are seen as separate gods. El is Canaanite and Yahweh is Hebrew.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
The church has always accepted that there's a great deal of mystery to the incarnation. If a person cannot accept that God is mysterious he really can't be a Christian. When people try to explain away the incarnation they just always sound desperate to me. It's like the idea of God becoming a human is scary. Well, yes it is, until you realize what it means for your good. Let the light in and it will become a glorious mystery that inspires praise.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes, the Bible God spoke through Prophets and Messengers.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe then you should express who is doing the seeing. If El is a separate Canaanite god then he is not God and does not matter at all. If El is Yahweh then the Canaanites have the right God but perhaps not the best knowledge of Him.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe fear of God is rational since He is omnipotent but the love of God eliminates that fear.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Does it? Perfect love casts out fear but I don't think that's talking about reverence for an all powerful God.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
El was a god before Yahweh became a god. Yahweh was one of El's assembly/sons of god. Yahweh was given aspects of El, Baal and Marduk when he became the Hebrew high god.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Where do you think perfect love comes from?