Put God on trial!

[InChrist]

You didn't answer my question.

It's a historical fact only one Church dates back to the time of Christ. That is the Catholic Church.

Are you Catholic?

If you are a Bible Christian Protestant, that is a "Johnny Come Lately" Unbiblical Church, so why should I trust you?

Using the Bible alone as a final authority on anything , is man-made Doctrine and Unbiblical practice and Theology, so I have every reason to believe it is empty false garbage!

Bible has more contradictions and causes more fear, confusion, bigotry, and division , than anything I ever read.

Your statement that all I have to do is read, to know your statement is true, is the biggest crock, that every denomination claims!

Right there I know why not to trust you. Thanks!

My name is Matthew, after the tax collector. Pray for me!

I pray for you, Matthew. I hope one day soon you will be free.

 

[rational experiences]

I learnt.

The eternal unconditional love as eternal owns no conditions and only loves. Caused the created creation. Not evil. Just loving.

Man owns chemical biology feelings is angry. How could you do it to me? Inheritor of causes.

Science isn't practiced yet.

Man lives emotional advised. I don't want to be here. Conscious thinker wants to return to the eternal form.

Proved by theist. Topic eternal explanation.

Wrong. Not in creation.

He themed gods removal by God was used by himself. Product present as gods materials ought to stop lying.

Gods by terms variations of one God in form.

No argument about eternal status as man is just angry. Eternal God is not a created God. Eternal God in reality just lives whilst in creation God destroys life in biology.

As it's history. Sun god first reason actively self consuming. Science a liar taught earth was a type of sun first. As he lies his brother said earth is not a sun lying to lie against lying.

Why you are as a theist a liar not to accept rock was first. The teaching science must accept pre terms are false in the present.

Teaching gift of life present the gift only.

Using gods terms science destroyed life. Became angrier himself.

Men theoried God ought to stop lying. Men lied about God himself.

Said my father after ice age was only as NEW human life.

Wasn't the inventor.

Baby adult man life was the inventor.

His father told him heavens was a virgin.

Father life lived with mother human mother a virgin first also.

Had sex to conceive baby man.

The scientist theist.

Heavens teaching a virgin. No opened births UFO body. A sun gods birth.

No argument. Earths heavens was a virgin state. Human sister became our mother was a virgin. Had sex.

Man teaching said hence I was not created by a UFO. I was cursed by its arrival.

UFO is man's machine birth only.

Ra sun god mass by atomic nuclear never earths origin gas rock form.

Earth first form with cold non alight clear atmosphere was crystal mass said science. O body origin planet earth.

Converted by the suns attack.

AtlantiS. SAtanlit. Earths body was tan...flogged meaning beaten.

Browned. Tanned skin changed the flesh of earth.

Pyramid transmission science. Pyramid pressed plated by white facure over rock stone. Topped with crystal transmitter receiver.

Men of science used crystal transmitters as cold nuclear science. Alchemy. Philosophers wisdom was Gold's production. Gold was as metal in an earth seam melt cooled.

Was a dangerous science to choose. Father's conscious spirituality human said don't practice it as life had been destroyed before.

Ignored. As men of science by ego are allowed to do whatever they want.

Our teaching the loving God is not in created burnt creation.

Science says the eternal as a teaching first did not exist.

Correct as it doesn't.

Science however is its theist. Science lied to its own person as it first said it doesn't exist. As created. Any created form a science.

His idea is it is just a belief so don't thesis about it.

Humans claim when I die I own it after as it was before. Is not an argument. As you have no living proof that it doesn't happen is our advice.

Science says only use logical living human advice. We do. Logic was not science first. A natural human was.

If science keeps ascertaining a body of some type pre existed changed. The human who begins after everything of mass existed said it is because I came from it also after.

Inherited.

To inherit the heavens mass you have to enter it.

We entered it from the eternal. We didn't enter it from out of space.

Reason. Space infinite around earth was already filled in by gas mass and water first.

 

[Clara Tea]

Could you imagine being an ancient Israelite, and putting babies, pregnant women, and children to the sword because God ordered it!?

Could you imagine going up to terrified , innocent, screaming children, and thrusting your sword/spear into them?

I wouldn't even feel like a man anymore I would feel so low!

The God of the Bible is simply very sick!

Even Genghis Khan adopted orphans in the enemy cities he conquered and welcomed POWS into his military to be officers even. It wasn't total scorched earth policies!

I'm so glad I haven't caused a tiny fraction of .01% of the pain and suffering God is responsible!

God sometimes didn't command total exterminations. He occasionally sanctioned taking traumatized virgins (whose family just got violently killed), as sex slaves, condemning them to a lifetime of humiliation and agony!

I'm sorry, running your sword through pregnant women, babies, and children, even in obedience to God, and taking traumatized virgins as sex slaves, is disgusting and disturbing crimes against humanity NO MATTER HOW YOU INTERPRET IT!!!

I think it's extremely sad and wrong that particular God cannot be overthrown, replaced by someone compassionate/generous, and put him on trial for his war crimes, and extreme stinginess in managing graces and exercising omnipotence!

I'm trying to respect this God, as I believe it adds to the powers of my prayers, (and pleases some of the violently raped and murdered girls and suicides I bless and pray for), but when you are dealing with the ugliest war criminal, and greatest cause of misery, disasters, death, destruction, sorrow, and agony in our world, what the hell is there that deserves respect??

Put the greatest criminal there ever was on trial!!!

Jews don't believe in original sin, so how can the Christian religion have the concept of original sin. Remember, the Christian and Muslim religions are spin-offs of the Jewish religion. Original sin is quite a guilt trip. As you intimated, God has killed a lot of people, and if those killings had been done by mankind, they would be sins. So, a God can violate his commandments, but a human cannot. If Jews didn't have original sin, how did the Christians get it? Did God change his mind?

Perhaps, then, we should forgive God? Not the other way around.

God commanded "thou shalt not kill," so it stands to reason that if he orders a human to kill, he is asking them to violate one of the ten commandments. Perhaps, then, it is a test of morality, not a test of faith (faith that killing is okay if God says it is)?

In my view, a lot of theists tell lies about God (God is good, God is perfect). Obviously the bible has contradictions, so that means that the bible has been rewritten incorrectly over the years (if it was right in the first place). I suppose that theists have to keep telling themselves lies, otherwise, they might lose faith.

 

[Clara Tea]

What did God do to prevent the bombing of Dresden?

Are we to assume from [his] complete inaction that [he] approved of it?

Or closer to home, the Thirty Years War which established Protestantism and left many millions dead, all but all of them Christians, and was accompanied by such regular and appalling acts of brutality and gratuitous cruelty on both sides that it remains a touchstone for such things?

Again, are we to assume from [his] complete inaction that [he] approved of it?

I sometimes think that God doesn't make horrible things happen, but he advises mankind how to deal with bad things.

 

[blü 2]

Of course, that is your viewpoint of what was written. Somehow I don't think you have the whole picture.

I just read the words ─ they constitute the essentials of the (morally and actually vicious) story of Job. All those bodies ...

 

[blü 2]

I sometimes think that God doesn't make horrible things happen, but he advises mankind how to deal with bad things.

To be fair to humans, we're perfectly capable of doing horrible things and creating horrible situations without much help.

But if God were in fact omnipotent and benevolent and all-knowing (as [his] billing claims) then it wouldn't be credible that such a being would just sit on [his] hands and watch the disasters unfold.

Since the disasters indeed unfold, and people die regardless of their moral worth and moral culpability, it follows that God is NOT benevolent, or NOT omnipotent, or NOT all-knowing ─ or indeed any two of those, or all three.

Pretty much as Epicurus is said to have said well over two millennia ago.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Could you imagine being an ancient Israelite, and putting babies, pregnant women, and children to the sword because God ordered it!?

Could you imagine going up to terrified , innocent, screaming children, and thrusting your sword/spear into them?

I wouldn't even feel like a man anymore I would feel so low!

The God of the Bible is simply very sick!

Even Genghis Khan adopted orphans in the enemy cities he conquered and welcomed POWS into his military to be officers even. It wasn't total scorched earth policies!

I'm so glad I haven't caused a tiny fraction of .01% of the pain and suffering God is responsible!

God sometimes didn't command total exterminations. He occasionally sanctioned taking traumatized virgins (whose family just got violently killed), as sex slaves, condemning them to a lifetime of humiliation and agony!

I'm sorry, running your sword through pregnant women, babies, and children, even in obedience to God, and taking traumatized virgins as sex slaves, is disgusting and disturbing crimes against humanity NO MATTER HOW YOU INTERPRET IT!!!

I think it's extremely sad and wrong that particular God cannot be overthrown, replaced by someone compassionate/generous, and put him on trial for his war crimes, and extreme stinginess in managing graces and exercising omnipotence!

I'm trying to respect this God, as I believe it adds to the powers of my prayers, (and pleases some of the violently raped and murdered girls and suicides I bless and pray for), but when you are dealing with the ugliest war criminal, and greatest cause of misery, disasters, death, destruction, sorrow, and agony in our world, what the hell is there that deserves respect??

Put the greatest criminal there ever was on trial!!!

OK, O will be the defence attorny in this case.
The rules will be as follow.
One piece of evidence at a time, and you give your statement, and I will rebut.
Deal?

As prosecuter I must warn you that I have the LAW on my side.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Appalling accusations against the One Who gave us life itself. A reflection of the decadent society in which we live and have become. The Bible is not wholly authentic so there’s no evidence that the words referred to are actually God’s Words.

Many chapters of the Bible had ‘unknown author’ and so there is no way of authenticating that God said or commanded such atrocities which of course He did not because He is a loving God Who gave us all the gift of life.

And wars and the like, Hiroshima stuff, that was nobody but us going against Gods commandments to love one another. So we hated one another and massacred millions, absolutely zilch to do with God and everything to do with man gone crazy to hate so much on his fellow human beings.

 

[blü 2]

OK, O will be the defence attorny in this case.
The rules will be as follow.
One piece of evidence at a time, and you give your statement, and I will rebut.
Deal?

As prosecuter I must warn you that I have the LAW on my side.

The first charge is requiring and accepting human sacrifice. At some points the Tanakh says human sacrifice is bad (especially in relation to children), and I concur completely. However, as you can see below, there are a number of cases where clearly that's not the relevant view:

Exhibit 1

Exodus 22:29 You must give me the firstborn of your sons. 30 Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day.​

Exhibit 2

Judges 11:29 Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed [...] on to the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD, and said, “If thou wilt give the Ammonites into my hand, 31 then whoever comes forth from the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the LORD’s, and I will offer him up for a burnt offering.” 32 So Jephthah crossed over to the Ammonites to fight against them; and the LORD gave them into his hand. [...] 34 Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances; she was his only child [...] 35 And when he saw her, he rent his clothes, and said, “Alas, my daughter! you have brought me very low, and you have become the cause of great trouble to me; for I have opened my mouth to the LORD, and I cannot take back my vow.” 36 And she said to him, “My father, if you have opened your mouth to the LORD, do to me according to what has gone forth from your mouth, now that the LORD has avenged you on your enemies, on the Ammonites.” 37 And she said to her father, “Let this thing be done for me; let me alone two months, that I may go and wander on the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my companions.” 38 And he said, “Go.” And he sent her away for two months; and she departed, she and her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39 And at the end of two months, she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had made.​

For which God elevated him to be Judge (boss man) of Israel, as you no doubt know.

Exhibit 3

2 Samuel 21:1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David sought the face of the LORD. And the LORD said, “There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gib’eonites to death.” 2 So the king called the Gib’eonites. Now the Gib’eonites were not of the people of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to slay them in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah. 3 And David said to the Gib’eonites, “What shall I do for you? And how shall I make expiation, that you may bless the heritage of the LORD?” 4 The Gib’eonites said to him, “It is not a matter of silver or gold between us and Saul or his house; neither is it for us to put any man to death in Israel.” And he said, “What do you say that I shall do for you?” 5 They said to the king, “The man who consumed us and planned to destroy us, so that we should have no place in all the territory of Israel, 6 let seven of his sons be given to us, so that we may hang them up before the LORD at Gibeon on the mountain of the LORD.” And the king said, “I will give them.” 7 But the king spared Mephib’osheth, the son of Saul’s son Jonathan, because of the oath of the LORD which was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. 8 The king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Ai’ah, whom she bore to Saul, Armo’ni and Mephib’osheth; and the five sons of Merab the daughter of Saul, whom she bore to A’dri-el the son of Barzil’lai the Meho’lathite; 9 and he gave them into the hands of the Gib’eonites, and they hanged them on the mountain before the LORD, and the seven of them perished together. They were put to death in the first days of harvest, at the beginning of barley harvest. [...] 14 And they buried the bones of Saul and his son Jonathan in the land of Benjamin in Zela, in the tomb of Kish his father; and they did all that the king commanded. And after that God heeded supplications for the land​

It will not have escaped you that these 'sons of Saul' were in fact two sons and five grandsons.

And that all were guiltless.

And that 'hang' here means death by impalement.

Exhibit 4
Mark 14:32 And they went to a place which was called Gethsem'ane; and he said to his disciples, "Sit here, while I pray." 33 And he took with him Peter and James and John, and began to be greatly distressed and troubled. 34 And he said to them, "My soul is very sorrowful, even to death; remain here, and watch." 35 And going a little farther, he fell on the ground and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. 36 And he said, "Abba, Father, all things are possible to thee; remove this cup from me; yet not what I will, but what thou wilt."

And obedient to God's will he didn't flee but went voluntarily and in accordance with his orders to his death.

The same thing happens at Matthew 26:37-39 and Luke 22:22 and 22:42 and something similar at John 17:5, John 17:11. John 17:13.


All humans who wouldn't have died as they did but for God's requirements.

 

[Kenny]

You didn't answer my question.

It's a historical fact only one Church dates back to the time of Christ. That is the Catholic Church.

Are you Catholic?

If you are a Bible Christian Protestant, that is a "Johnny Come Lately" Unbiblical Church, so why should I trust you?

Using the Bible alone as a final authority on anything , is man-made Doctrine and Unbiblical practice and Theology, so I have every reason to believe it is empty false garbage!

Bible has more contradictions and causes more fear, confusion, bigotry, and division , than anything I ever read.

Your statement that all I have to do is read, to know your statement is true, is the biggest crock, that every denomination claims!

Right there I know why not to trust you. Thanks!

My name is Matthew, after the tax collector. Pray for me!

I can use a Catholic Bible (my wife has a Catholic Bible) and went to the Catholic church for 7 years - I still wasn't anything, and yet with the Catholic Bible I can still come to the same conclusions.

"Your statement that all I have to do is read, to know your statement is true, is the biggest crock, that every denomination claims! Right there I know why not to trust you. Thanks!"

It reminds me of a parable:

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

The difference between you and me is that whether it was a Jehovah Witness, a Baptist pastor, a Presbyterian Church, a group study with a Lutheran study guide, someone from The Way or a simple group of people studying the bible is that I asked questions and didn't give excuses.

But you got my prayer for sure!

 

[SA Huguenot]

The first charge is requiring and accepting human sacrifice. At some points the Tanakh says human sacrifice is bad (especially in relation to children), and I concur completely. However, as you can see below, there are a number of cases where clearly that's not the relevant view:

Exhibit 1

Exodus 22:29 You must give me the firstborn of your sons. 30 Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day.​

Exhibit 2

Judges 11:29 Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed [...] on to the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD, and said, “If thou wilt give the Ammonites into my hand, 31 then whoever comes forth from the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the LORD’s, and I will offer him up for a burnt offering.” 32 So Jephthah crossed over to the Ammonites to fight against them; and the LORD gave them into his hand. [...] 34 Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances; she was his only child [...] 35 And when he saw her, he rent his clothes, and said, “Alas, my daughter! you have brought me very low, and you have become the cause of great trouble to me; for I have opened my mouth to the LORD, and I cannot take back my vow.” 36 And she said to him, “My father, if you have opened your mouth to the LORD, do to me according to what has gone forth from your mouth, now that the LORD has avenged you on your enemies, on the Ammonites.” 37 And she said to her father, “Let this thing be done for me; let me alone two months, that I may go and wander on the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my companions.” 38 And he said, “Go.” And he sent her away for two months; and she departed, she and her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39 And at the end of two months, she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had made.​

For which God elevated him to be Judge (boss man) of Israel, as you no doubt know.

Exhibit 3

2 Samuel 21:1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David sought the face of the LORD. And the LORD said, “There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gib’eonites to death.” 2 So the king called the Gib’eonites. Now the Gib’eonites were not of the people of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to slay them in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah. 3 And David said to the Gib’eonites, “What shall I do for you? And how shall I make expiation, that you may bless the heritage of the LORD?” 4 The Gib’eonites said to him, “It is not a matter of silver or gold between us and Saul or his house; neither is it for us to put any man to death in Israel.” And he said, “What do you say that I shall do for you?” 5 They said to the king, “The man who consumed us and planned to destroy us, so that we should have no place in all the territory of Israel, 6 let seven of his sons be given to us, so that we may hang them up before the LORD at Gibeon on the mountain of the LORD.” And the king said, “I will give them.” 7 But the king spared Mephib’osheth, the son of Saul’s son Jonathan, because of the oath of the LORD which was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. 8 The king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Ai’ah, whom she bore to Saul, Armo’ni and Mephib’osheth; and the five sons of Merab the daughter of Saul, whom she bore to A’dri-el the son of Barzil’lai the Meho’lathite; 9 and he gave them into the hands of the Gib’eonites, and they hanged them on the mountain before the LORD, and the seven of them perished together. They were put to death in the first days of harvest, at the beginning of barley harvest. [...] 14 And they buried the bones of Saul and his son Jonathan in the land of Benjamin in Zela, in the tomb of Kish his father; and they did all that the king commanded. And after that God heeded supplications for the land​

It will not have escaped you that these 'sons of Saul' were in fact two sons and five grandsons.

And that all were guiltless.

And that 'hang' here means death by impalement.

Exhibit 4
Mark 14:32 And they went to a place which was called Gethsem'ane; and he said to his disciples, "Sit here, while I pray." 33 And he took with him Peter and James and John, and began to be greatly distressed and troubled. 34 And he said to them, "My soul is very sorrowful, even to death; remain here, and watch." 35 And going a little farther, he fell on the ground and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. 36 And he said, "Abba, Father, all things are possible to thee; remove this cup from me; yet not what I will, but what thou wilt."

And obedient to God's will he didn't flee but went voluntarily and in accordance with his orders to his death.

The same thing happens at Matthew 26:37-39 and Luke 22:22 and 22:42 and something similar at John 17:5, John 17:11. John 17:13.


All humans who wouldn't have died as they did but for God's requirements.

Japhtas' daughter -
Thou shall not pass your seed through the fire.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
According to the Mishnah he was under no obligation to keep the ill-phrased, illegal vow. According to Rabbi Jochanan, in his commentary on the Mishnah, it was Jephthah's obligation to pay the vow in money.
Your firstborn will be a sacrifice, but you will redeem your offering
Exo 13:2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.
Exo 13:12 That thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the LORD'S.
Exo 13:15 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the matrix, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.

Exo 13:13 And every firstling of an *** thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.
Conclusion.
There is no evidence that japhta sacrificed his daughter by a burnt offering. Redemption would have taken place in the time when the Levites were the priests doing the actual killing. There is no mention that she was burned to death, but that she mourned the fact that she will never have children. Obviously, just as with Samuel, she would be an assistant to the priests.
Therefore, in absence of evidence to the "Killing" of the girl, any judge will find no guilt.

The reason why Sauls' sons were executed was because of the illigal extermination Saul sanctioned agaianst inocent people.
1Sa 22:17 And the king said unto the footmen that stood about him, Turn, and slay the priests of the LORD; because their hand also is with David, and because they knew when he fled, and did not shew it to me. But the servants of the king would not put forth their hand to fall upon the priests of the LORD.
1Sa 22:18 And the king said to Doeg, Turn thou, and fall upon the priests. And Doeg the Edomite turned, and he fell upon the priests, and slew on that day fourscore and five persons that did wear a linen ephod.
1Sa 22:19 And Nob, the city of the priests, smote he with the edge of the sword, both men and women, children and sucklings, and oxen, and asses, and sheep, with the edge of the sword.
1Sa 22:20 And one of the sons of Ahimelech the son of Ahitub, named Abiathar, escaped, and fled after David.
1Sa 22:21 And Abiathar shewed David that Saul had slain the LORD'S priests.

Righteous judgement, and remember, Saul's sons would not have been executed as inocent men.
They were, just like we all, followers of their father's example.
1 Sam 15: 10 Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel: 11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the Lord all that night.
12 Early in the morning Samuel got up and went to meet Saul, but he was told, “Saul has gone to Carmel. There he has set up a monument in his own honor and has turned and gone on down to Gilgal.”
22 But Samuel replied:

“Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
as much as in obeying the Lord?
To obey is better than sacrifice,
and to heed is better than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
he has rejected you as king.”
Conclusion:
Saul started to worship himself!
This is the worst of idolatry, and there is no evidence that his sons worshipped him, but there is also no counter evidence that they stood up against Saul against his challange against God.
In the absence of evidence that God acted rightiously on the execution of Sauls' sons, there is therefore no guilt on God's actions.
If Samuel, the prophet of God, was witness to the whole affair, the propability that David ensured rightious judgement is executing the 7 sons, is sound.

Furthermore, these 7 sons were not a sacrifice...
The Prosecution inserted this willfull deception into the equation.
What did happen was the execution was done in the presence of God, not a sacrifice.
Different practices:
Sacrifice v Execution.

I urge the prosecution to retract their remarks.

 

[Kenny]

I just read the words ─ they constitute the essentials of the (morally and actually vicious) story of Job. All those bodies ...

Cursory reading, I'm sure.

 

[blü 2]

Japhtas' daughter -
Thou shall not pass your seed through the fire.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
According to the Mishnah he was under no obligation to keep the ill-phrased, illegal vow. According to Rabbi Jochanan, in his commentary on the Mishnah, it was Jephthah's obligation to pay the vow in money.

None of that is relevant, including the views of the learned rabbis.

Judges 11 documents a deal made by God (at a time when quite expressly the spirit of God was on Jephthah) of human sacrifice in exchange for military victory. God kept [his] side of the bargain, Jephthah kept his, and God elevated Jephthah to be top dog in Israel.

Human sacrifice, pure and simple. Sure, all the other gods were doing it, but this is very specifically Yahweh

Your firstborn will be a sacrifice, but you will redeem your offering
Exo 13:2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.
Exo 13:12 That thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the LORD'S.
Exo 13:15 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the matrix, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.

Exo 13:13 And every firstling of an *** thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.
Conclusion.
There is no evidence that japhta sacrificed his daughter by a burnt offering.

Of course there is. It's stated specifically on the page and I bolded it so you wouldn't miss it. Anyway, here it is again:

Judges 11:39 And at the end of two months, she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had made.​

And what was Jephthah's vow? Surely you haven't forgotten that too? Anyway here it is again too:

Judges 11:30 And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD, and said, “If thou wilt give the Ammonites into my hand, 31 then whoever comes forth from the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the LORD’s, and I will offer him up for a burnt offering.”
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So the only possible verdict, the only honest verdict, the verdict that follows on the face of the record is, Guilty.

The reason why Sauls' sons were executed was because of the illigal extermination Saul sanctioned agaianst inocent people.

So what?

Why does God refuse to lift the famine until seven innocent people have been killed by impalement "before the Lord"? Because [he] wants blood.

You might want to bear this in mind too:

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.​

Guilty.

And I see by your silence that you agree God demanded that Jesus get himself sacrificed to [him].

Guilty.

 

[VoidCat]

The poll doesn't reflect my thinking. I think if the God of scriptures exists then the stories about him were made by humans and like all the pagan gods I believe in, I'd see what was written as stories to tell me what the deity is like. I wouldn't believe them all to be true.

 

[Spiderman]

The poll doesn't reflect my thinking. I think if the God of scriptures exists then the stories about him were made by humans and like all the pagan gods I believe in, I'd see what was written as stories to tell me what the deity is like. I wouldn't believe them all to be true.

I obviously don't know if the Bible is true. I have made that clear many times. It says the opposite thing in one place that it says elsewhere. So it can't all be true.

In the poll I was saying, answer as if those statements about God were true!

 

[Spiderman]

I can use a Catholic Bible (my wife has a Catholic Bible) and went to the Catholic church for 7 years - I still wasn't anything, and yet with the Catholic Bible I can still come to the same conclusions.

"Your statement that all I have to do is read, to know your statement is true, is the biggest crock, that every denomination claims! Right there I know why not to trust you. Thanks!"

It reminds me of a parable:

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

The difference between you and me is that whether it was a Jehovah Witness, a Baptist pastor, a Presbyterian Church, a group study with a Lutheran study guide, someone from The Way or a simple group of people studying the bible is that I asked questions and didn't give excuses.

But you got my prayer for sure!

Even a Catholic Bible contradicts itself, and even the Catholic Church declares: it isn't the final authority on or for anything.

I believe Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons and 7th day adventists , Baptists, Evangelicals, all have pieces of truth, but none ever have evidence to demonstrate they have the Holy Spirit guiding them. I am willing to listen to them.

What basis do you have for saying I don't consider what you say? Obviously I do, because I responded to it.

Early Christians were working the miracles of Christ, Scripture says.

Jesus said "those who believe in me will do the works I do, and greater". Nobody, out of more than 2 billion Christians today, is doing greater works than Christ.

It is clear evidence that shows/proves some of the Bible is a lie!

Also, the Bible creates so many bigots, who judge other Religions, and call even a Christian denomination "prostitute, and whore of Babylon", why would I want to follow a clearly toxic piece of violent, cruel literature, that creates bigots, and self-righteous people, which I have seen many examples of first hand!

 

[Spiderman]

I obviously don't know if the Bible is true. I have made that clear many times. It says the opposite thing in one place that it says elsewhere. So it can't all be true.

In the poll I was saying, answer as if those statements about God were true!

I just didn't have room on the poll to say "answer as if the statements are true"

 

[Spiderman]

I can use a Catholic Bible (my wife has a Catholic Bible) and went to the Catholic church for 7 years - I still wasn't anything, and yet with the Catholic Bible I can still come to the same conclusions.

"Your statement that all I have to do is read, to know your statement is true, is the biggest crock, that every denomination claims! Right there I know why not to trust you. Thanks!"

It reminds me of a parable:

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

The difference between you and me is that whether it was a Jehovah Witness, a Baptist pastor, a Presbyterian Church, a group study with a Lutheran study guide, someone from The Way or a simple group of people studying the bible is that I asked questions and didn't give excuses.

But you got my prayer for sure!

But I appreciate the prayers and blessings. I believe prayers and blessings have power even when they come from heretics, who believe in falsehood!

I'm not calling you a heretic either cuz that is against the rules. I'm saying "if" you were." At this time, how should I know one way or the other?

 

[F1fan]

God does not hide Himself. The reality is that God is Spirit and as physical humans we cannot see God with our physical eyes. Nevertheless, God has demonstrated His Presence and power throughout creation and the heavens declare the glory of God. We have the revealed Word of God preserved through the ages and the Son of God became flesh and dwelt with humanity that we may know Him. No, God does not hide. Do humans turn a blind eye... yes.

God is absent to the rational and sober mind. So are you suggesting certain types of theists have a special extrasensory ability that can "see" this missing God?

Feel free to offer your explanation and don't forget to provide facts.

 

[Kenny]

Even a Catholic Bible contradicts itself, and even the Catholic Church declares: it isn't the final authority on or for anything.

I believe Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons and 7th day adventists , Baptists, Evangelicals, all have pieces of truth, but none ever have evidence to demonstrate they have the Holy Spirit guiding them. I am willing to listen to them.

What basis do you have for saying I don't consider what you say? Obviously I do, because I responded to it.

Early Christians were working the miracles of Christ, Scripture says.

Jesus said "those who believe in me will do the works I do, and greater". Nobody, out of more than 2 billion Christians today, is doing greater works than Christ.

It is clear evidence that shows/proves some of the Bible is a lie!

Also, the Bible creates so many bigots, who judge other Religions, and call even a Christian denomination "prostitute, and whore of Babylon", why would I want to follow a clearly toxic piece of violent, cruel literature, that creates bigots, and self-righteous people, which I have seen many examples of first hand!

So we are back to the parable of excuses.

Notice that you didn't have a question, is it because you really don't want an answer?

Reminds me of Adam.... again... blame God, blame your neighbor but don't take any personal responsibility.