Putin Broaches Pretext For War Against NATO?

[Revoltingest]

UPDATE 1-Putin says Western sanctions are akin to declaration of war
Excerpted...
LONDON, March 5 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be tantamount to entering the conflict.

Putin reiterated that his aims in Ukraine are to defend Russian speaking communities through the "demilitarisation and de-Nazification" of the country so that it became neutral.

Ukraine and Western countries have dismissed this as a baseless pretext for the invasion he launched on Feb. 24 and have imposed a sweeping range of sanctions aimed at isolating Moscow.

"These sanctions that are being imposed are akin to a declaration of war but thank God it has not come to that," Putin said, speaking to a group of women flight attendants at an Aeroflot training centre near Moscow.

He said any attempt by another power to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be considered by Russia to be a step into the military conflict. NATO has rejected Kyiv's request for a no-fly zone, on the grounds it would escalate the war beyond Ukraine.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the past, we've been sanctioned us for posting
links without our commentary. But in this case, I
thought anything I had to say in the OP would be
needless distraction from news that stands alone.

 

[PureX]

The sanctions should stand. Putin's full of crap. He can't stop sanctions with war.

The no-fly zone would be a bad idea, though. Fortunately, I don't think anyone is seriously considering it.

 

[fantome profane]

NATO has rejected Kyiv's request for a no-fly zone, on the grounds it would escalate the war beyond Ukraine.

I happen to agree with this decision. If they did try a no-fly zone Putin would eventually violate it. And he would be able to do that on his own term and his own timing. And it would escalate the war.

In the past, we've been sanctioned us for posting
links without our commentary.

I hereby move that the nation of RF immediately stop buying oil from Revoltingstan.

(It is nothing but dirty bacon grease anyway)

 

[England my lionheart]

The sanctions are hurting like never before and it's only going to get worse for him,whatever he say's should be taken with a large pinch of salt.

 

[Revoltingest]

I happen to agree with this decision. If they did try a no-fly zone Putin would eventually violate it. And he would be able to do that on his own term and his own timing. And it would escalate the war.

I agree.

I hereby move that the nation of RF immediately stop buying oil from Revoltingstan.

(It is nothing but dirty bacon grease anyway)

RF desires our grease too much to do without.
But I demand payment in something more
fungible than Quagmirebucks.

 

[sun rise]

Much as I want Ukraine to win, we know that a no-fly zone would be "one toke over the line" (for those old enough to understand that phrase).

Instead we're shipping military aid to Ukraine at a fantastic rate so they can blow Russia to kingdom come.

As the old song put it (with appropriate gallows humor)
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department!" says Wernher von Braun

 

[Revoltingest]

Much as I want Ukraine to win, we know that a no-fly zone would be "one toke over the line" (for those old enough to understand that phrase).

Instead we're shipping military aid to Ukraine at a fantastic rate so they can blow Russia to kingdom come.

As the old song put it (with appropriate gallows humor)
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department!" says Wernher von Braun

 

[Twilight Hue]

The sanctions are hurting like never before and it's only going to get worse for him,whatever he say's should be taken with a large pinch of salt.

I wish people would notice is Putin is staging.

Like he was staging outside the border, he's now staging in the interior under pretext of establishing a dmz.

Not establishing a no fly zone has just empowered the man to yet seize more territory to build up and strengthen once again for the next push further in.

 

[Ponder This]

UPDATE 1-Putin says Western sanctions are akin to declaration of war
Excerpted...
LONDON, March 5 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be tantamount to entering the conflict.

Putin reiterated that his aims in Ukraine are to defend Russian speaking communities through the "demilitarisation and de-Nazification" of the country so that it became neutral.

Ukraine and Western countries have dismissed this as a baseless pretext for the invasion he launched on Feb. 24 and have imposed a sweeping range of sanctions aimed at isolating Moscow.

"These sanctions that are being imposed are akin to a declaration of war but thank God it has not come to that," Putin said, speaking to a group of women flight attendants at an Aeroflot training centre near Moscow.

He said any attempt by another power to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be considered by Russia to be a step into the military conflict. NATO has rejected Kyiv's request for a no-fly zone, on the grounds it would escalate the war beyond Ukraine.

The way the NATO talks about the situation is a little bit like the Ents from Lord of the Rings. They see a tragedy unfolding so they gather together and just sort of talk about it.
AKA appeasement.

 

[England my lionheart]

I wish people would notice is Putin is staging.

Like he was staging outside the border, he's now staging in the interior under pretext of establishing a dmz.

Not establishing a no fly zone has just empowered the man to yet seize more territory to build up and strengthen once again for the next push further in.

A no fly zone enforced by who though,the UN can't and if Nato did it would definately be ww3,but i agree otherwise.

 

[Twilight Hue]

A no fly zone enforced by who though,the UN can't and if Nato did it would definately be ww3,but i agree otherwise.

It's obviously political declaring a NFZ.

Let's hope the common sense of any hostile aircraft in enemy territory is to just shoot it down and not letting it complete its mission.

 

[Revoltingest]

The way the NATO talks about the situation is a little bit like the Ents from Lord of the Rings. They see a tragedy unfolding so they gather together and just sort of talk about it.
AKA appeasement.

I'm seeing more that mere talk from
NATO, eg, Germany's military build-up.
BTW, the Ents did enter the war.

 

[England my lionheart]

It's obviously political declaring a NFZ.

Let's hope the common sense of any hostile aircraft in enemy territory is to just shoot it down and not letting it complete its mission.

It's really impossible to do anything other than support and supply Ukraine,the sanctions on Russia are working but will take time.

 

[Audie]

UPDATE 1-Putin says Western sanctions are akin to declaration of war
Excerpted...
LONDON, March 5 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be tantamount to entering the conflict.

Putin reiterated that his aims in Ukraine are to defend Russian speaking communities through the "demilitarisation and de-Nazification" of the country so that it became neutral.

Ukraine and Western countries have dismissed this as a baseless pretext for the invasion he launched on Feb. 24 and have imposed a sweeping range of sanctions aimed at isolating Moscow.

"These sanctions that are being imposed are akin to a declaration of war but thank God it has not come to that," Putin said, speaking to a group of women flight attendants at an Aeroflot training centre near Moscow.

He said any attempt by another power to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be considered by Russia to be a step into the military conflict. NATO has rejected Kyiv's request for a no-fly zone, on the grounds it would escalate the war beyond Ukraine.

Sanctions hardly stopped Germany, and did much to guarantee war with Japan..

 

[Revoltingest]

Sanctions hardly stopped Germany, and did much to guarantee war with Japan..

What alternative do you think would be better?

 

[metis]

I happen to agree with this decision. If they did try a no-fly zone Putin would eventually violate it. And he would be able to do that on his own term and his own timing. And it would escalate the war.

And then the problem would be that we do not have enough conventional firepower there to beat Putin's forces back, so the next in line would be tactical nukes that they would have as an advantage there, and the next are the big-uns. Do we really want that?

 

[exchemist]

The sanctions should stand. Putin's full of crap. He can't stop sanctions with war.

The no-fly zone would be a bad idea, though. Fortunately, I don't think anyone is seriously considering it.

Agree. We can and should call Putin's bluff over pretending sanctions are an act of war. In fact we should carry on toughening them, to show we are not intimidated, while refraining from any inflammatory language that he could choose to misinterpret.

 

[Stevicus]

UPDATE 1-Putin says Western sanctions are akin to declaration of war
Excerpted...
LONDON, March 5 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be tantamount to entering the conflict.

Putin reiterated that his aims in Ukraine are to defend Russian speaking communities through the "demilitarisation and de-Nazification" of the country so that it became neutral.

Ukraine and Western countries have dismissed this as a baseless pretext for the invasion he launched on Feb. 24 and have imposed a sweeping range of sanctions aimed at isolating Moscow.

"These sanctions that are being imposed are akin to a declaration of war but thank God it has not come to that," Putin said, speaking to a group of women flight attendants at an Aeroflot training centre near Moscow.

He said any attempt by another power to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would be considered by Russia to be a step into the military conflict. NATO has rejected Kyiv's request for a no-fly zone, on the grounds it would escalate the war beyond Ukraine.

Political rhetoric in tense times like these can be an interesting study. Essentially, he's saying "The West is a bunch of poopyheads," but using the standard jargon. The standard loud talk when spoiling for a fight.

 

[PureX]

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