Putin open to peace talks

[TagliatelliMonster]

Ah...yes...the concept of preventive war...
to justify NATO's animalistic and warlike nature.

"preventive war"? What on earth are you talking about....

I have evolved from the animal stage. The NATO hasn't evidently.

I have some news from you: there is diplomacy.
Kant, Voltaire, Rousseau, Montesquieu...
treaties, treaties, treaties.
Not cannons.

None of this addresses what I actually said.

The Soros-owned media are less credible.

NATO doesn't get its intel from "media".

I prefer Russian media.

It shows.

I love separatism.
It's the respect towards people's right to self-determination.

Something Russia doesn't respect, which is why they engaged in such practices in Ukraine are are engaging in such practices in Moldavia, Georgie, etc.
Undermining countries' sovereignty, fake news, sabotage, funding and engaging in terrorism, influencing / sabotaging / undermining free elections etc.

You won't answer all of my question. Just 40%.

You didn't ask a question. Just made a ridiculous irrelevant statement which has nothing to do with the point of why ex-soviet countries are seeking protection under the umbrella of NATO from a Russia that constantly threatens, sabotages and undermines them.

Gaddafi was a true leader.
Absolutely admirable. Great man.

I will never understand why you glorify authoritarian dictators so much.
And off course, all the while enjoying your constitutional freedom in a free secular democracy with your human rights and all.
It is absolutely disgusting.

If the NATO were a peaceful organization..it would have solved the Libyan problems with diplomacy.
Again..there are apes who act like apes, and there are philosophy who use reason and knowledge.

The things you write are so sickening.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Interesting. It appears that they're planning to attack the region of Russian territory currently occupied by Ukrainian forces. The North Koreans have only sent about 10,000 troops, which isn't that large compared to the overall numbers of troops involved.

Imagine the outrage we would read here from certain Putin worshippers if NATO send even only a fraction of that number to help Ukrainians out at the front lines to attack the region of Ukrainian territory currently occupied by Russian forces.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have some news from you: there is diplomacy.

How well did diplomacy work for Poland in September 1939?

 

[Estro Felino]

How well did diplomacy work for Poland in September 1939?

Germany repudiates war...
so speaking of war as instrument to settle international disputes outrages the German constitution.

 

[Revoltingest]

Germany repudiates war...

Like when your country supported Hitler's invasion of its neighbors?

 

[Stevicus]

Yet you felt the need to introduce it.

Only when you post.
Those fumes do so love to expand,
filling all available space.

You do have a colorful wit. Have you ever thought of becoming a poet?

 

[Estro Felino]

Like when your country supported Hitler's invasion of its neighbors?

If you bring up the past 24/7, I can bring up the Native Americans genocide...
Or when Americans took 2/3 of Mexico.

 

[Revoltingest]

You do have a colorful wit. Have you ever thought of becoming a poet?

Poetry is hifalutin.
I compose doggerel.

It's not my fault!...an old refrain.
Applies to me, cuz I maintain
I can't control
my inner troll.
I blame it on my errant brain!

 

[Revoltingest]

If you bring up the past 24/7...

Only because you tempt me so.

...I can bring up the Native Americans genocide...

Do you believe that USA's sins justify
Italy's support for Hitler & genocide?

Or when Americans took 2/3 of Mexico.

Should'a taken Canuckistan too.

 

[Estro Felino]

Imagine the outrage we would read here from certain Putin worshippers if NATO send even only a fraction of that number to help Ukrainians out at the front lines to attack the region of Ukrainian territory currently occupied by Russian forces.

I bet that you and @Revoltingest think that Trump does what Russia desires, right?

No...he is not a Russophile. He is a America First guy.

 

[Revoltingest]

I bet that you and @Revoltingest think that Trump does what Russia desires, right?

Oh, you so don't understand.
Trump does what benefits Trump.

 

[Estro Felino]

Only because you tempt me so.

Do you believe that USA's sins justify
Italy's support for Hitler & genocide?

It has been ascertained that the Fascist Government had no idea of the final solution.

The racial laws were very all hat and no cattle.

Fascists didn't deport the Jews. Which pushed the Nazis to invade Rome and to arrest and deport the Jews, because the Italians were not cooperating.

.

 

[Revoltingest]

It has been ascertained that the Fascist Government had no idea of the final solution.

Passive voice.
No evidence.
Claimed ignorance of Hitler's openly displayed oppression of Jews & Roma.
This bespeaks invention & denial.

 

[Stevicus]

If you bring up the past 24/7, I can bring up the Native Americans genocide...
Or when Americans took 2/3 of Mexico.

Actually, I would say it was probably closer to 1/3 of Mexico. But we did pay them $30,000,000 for it, along with $7,500,000 for the Gadsden Purchase.

But yeah, you can bring it up. It's historical. It's factual. It's for this reason that some of us believe that America has no moral standing or right to pass judgement on other countries.

If our leaders wanted to oppose Russia because they think America is stronger and just because they can, that would be one thing. At least it would be honest. But the supercilious judgements and faux sanctimony is just spreading it on way too thick to be believed.

If they're unwilling to state their true reasons for opposing Russia on this thing, then why should anyone believe anything they have to say?

 

[Estro Felino]

Actually, I would say it was probably closer to 1/3 of Mexico. But we did pay them $30,000,000 for it, along with $7,500,000 for the Gadsden Purchase.

But yeah, you can bring it up. It's historical. It's factual. It's for this reason that some of us believe that America has no moral standing or right to pass judgement on other countries.

I won't, because what I meant to tell him was: why don't you talk about Italy today?
Why don't you talk about PM Conte who tried to convince Trump to readmit Russia into the G8?
How diplomatic and peaceful we are now...

I think it's pointless to talk about 100 years ago or 80 years ago. It's a way to deflect from the issues of today, 2024.

 

[Estro Felino]

Passive voice.
No evidence.
Claimed ignorance of Hitler's openly displayed oppression of Jews & Roma.
This bespeaks invention & denial.

The fact that the Fascists were not tried in Nuremberg clearly proved that Italians didn't play any direct role in the Holocaust.

 

[Revoltingest]

The fact that the Fascists were not tried in Nuremberg clearly proved that Italians didn't play any direct role in the Holocaust.

It proves they weren't tried.

 

[Estro Felino]

It proves they weren't tried.

The problem here is that I can't have a serious discussion with you...because you always say "Italians love dictators and Putin is one".

Evidently we have our own reasons to believe that there must be peace between East and West.

 

[Stevicus]

I won't, because what I meant to tell him was: why don't you talk about Italy today?
Why don't you talk about PM Conte who tried to convince Trump to readmit Russia into the G8?
How diplomatic and peaceful we are now...

I think it's pointless to talk about 100 years ago or 80 years ago. It's a way to deflect from the issues of today, 2024.

I think history serves us by teaching lessons of things that we should strive not to repeat. I don't think our leaders have learned the right lessons, and too few Americans have the historical knowledge needed to make any real analysis of geopolitics at all.

The real problem at hand (both in foreign and domestic policies) is that our leaders really can't come up with any new ideas.

Despite all the rhetoric and propaganda about wanting to "make the world safe for democracy," it's clear that our leaders never really wanted that in earnest. They don't really want freedom or democracy for the world. If they really wanted that, the entire world would be democratic by now.

So, either our leaders need to come clean and be honest about what their true intentions are for the rest of the world, or they need to totally revamp our foreign policy and rethink how they perceive the outside world.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think history serves us by teaching lessons of things that we should strive not to repeat. I don't think our leaders have learned the right lessons, and too few Americans have the historical knowledge needed to make any real analysis of geopolitics at all.

The real problem at hand (both in foreign and domestic policies) is that our leaders really can't come up with any new ideas.

Despite all the rhetoric and propaganda about wanting to "make the world safe for democracy," it's clear that our leaders never really wanted that in earnest. They don't really want freedom or democracy for the world. If they really wanted that, the entire world would be democratic by now.

So, either our leaders need to come clean and be honest about what their true intentions are for the rest of the world, or they need to totally revamp our foreign policy and rethink how they perceive the outside world.

Also... @Revoltingest here wants to convince me that the American Deep State loves Ukrainians and they are philanthropists and they don't want anything in return. Something like "holy selfless love, Amen."
There are incredible economic interests at stakes. Russian natural gas to begin with.