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Putin's Bridge To Crimea Damaged...Destroyed?

Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Suave said:
Saboteurs attacking the current limited infrastructure linking Crimea with the Russia Federation's mainland very well might motivate the Russian military to widen its campaign of seizing territory from eastern and southern Ukraine forming a secure land corridor linking Crimea with Russia's mainland.

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GOOD! It's not Russia's land to begin with! They are no better than armed thugs stealing and taking what they want. I hope this emboldens the Ukrainians to cause more mayhem and destruction against their invaders and oppressors.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Suave said:
I figure a former intelligence agent like Putin realizes Neo-Nazis are extreme militants who are more than willing to fight to the death.

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He lies about that ****. Ukraine isn't flooded with neo-Nazis, it doesn't need deNazified, even some Jews in Ukraine have told Putin to **** off over that bs.
 
Suave

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Shadow Wolf said:
He lies about that ****. Ukraine isn't flooded with neo-Nazis, it doesn't need deNazified, even some Jews in Ukraine have told Putin to **** off over that bs.
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"In March 2015, Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov announced that the Azov Regiment would be among the first units to be trained by United States Army troops in the Operation Fearless Guardian training mission.[274][275] US training however was withdrawn on 12 June 2015, as the US House of Representatives passed an amendment blocking any aid (including arms and training) to the regiment due to its neo-Nazi background"

  1. John Conyers, Jr (11 June 2015). "U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces". US House of Representatives. Archived from the original on 17 November 2015. Retrieved 20 June 2015
  2. "Ukraine's neo-Nazis won't get US money". Bloomberg. 12 June 2015. Retrieved 29 March 2022
  3. er 2016. Retrieved 16 November 2016.
  4. ^ "The separatists fired on a bus with fighters of the "AZOV" special police battalion". National Police of Ukraine. 7 May 2014. Archived from the original on 12 April 2018. Retrieved 12 April 2018.
  5. ^ Jump up to:a b c d "The Defenders of Mariupol". Tablet Magazine. 18 May 2022.
  6. ^ Hume, Tim (16 February 2022). "How a Far-Right Battalion Became a Part of Ukraine's National Guard". Vice. Archived from the original on 6 March 2022. Retrieved 7 March 2022.
  7. ^ Sources calling Azov Regiment a neo-Nazi group include:
    • Giuliano, Elise (20 October 2015). "The Social Bases of Support for Self-determination in East Ukraine". Ethnopolitics. 14 (5): 513–522. doi:10.1080/17449057.2015.1051813. ISSN 1744-9057. S2CID 142999704. More dangerously, as the violence heated up, Kiev allowed semi-private paramilitary groups—such as the far right, neo-Nazi Azov Battalion—to fight in east Ukraine (Walker, 2014; Luhn, 2014).
    • Koehler, Daniel (7 October 2019). "A Threat from Within? Exploring the Link between the Extreme Right and the Military". International Centre for Counter-Terrorism. His own involvement in the militant extreme right movement predated his enlistment and Smith also was trying to join the neo-Nazi paramilitary Azov battalion and fight on their side in the Ukrainian conflict.
    • Mudde, Cas (25 October 2019). The Far Right Today. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-1-5095-3685-6 – via Google Books. ...march through the streets of Kyiv, sometimes in torchlight processions, to commemorate old and new far-right heroes, including those of the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, which fights against the Russian-backed occupation of Crimea.
    • Edelman, Marc (9 November 2020). "From 'populist moment' to authoritarian era: challenges, dangers, possibilities". The Journal of Peasant Studies. 47 (7): 1418–1444. doi:10.1080/03066150.2020.1802250. ISSN 0306-6150. S2CID 225214310. Just as hundreds of U.S. and European white supremacists joined Croatian paramilitaries fighting for 'ethnic cleansing' in the 1990s Balkan wars, the current training of foreign white nationalists in Ukrainian military units, such as the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, points to...
    • McKenzie, Nick; Tozer, Joel (22 August 2021). "Fears of neo-Nazis in military ranks after ex-soldier's passport cancelled". The Age. Retrieved 8 April 2022. Mr Sretenovic was intercepted by ASIO and the Australian Border Force at Melbourne Airport in January 2020 bearing a ticket to Belgrade, Serbia. He later told supporters he was travelling to meet a girlfriend and Serbian relatives. But state and federal authorities, who had spent months investigating him, believed he was planning to travel to Ukraine to fight with the Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia fighting Russian forces.
    • Allchorn, William (21 December 2021). Moving beyond Islamist Extremism. Books on Demand. p. 35. ISBN 978-3-8382-1490-0 – via Google Books. ...antisemitic and white-supremacist conspiracy theories circulated by openly neo-fascist and neo-Nazi groups, such as the Azov Battalion in the Ukraine...
    • Bacigalupo, James; Valeri, Robin Maria; Borgeson, Kevin (14 January 2022). Cyberhate: The Far Right in the Digital Age. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 113. ISBN 978-1-7936-0698-3 – via Google Books. The ascendency of a transnational global fascist terrorist network has drawn accelerationists seeking military training with openly neo-Nazi, white supremacist, anti-Semitic organizations like the Azov battalion, who recruited from...
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Suave said:
"In March 2015, Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov announced that the Azov Regiment would be among the first units to be trained by United States Army troops in the Operation Fearless Guardian training mission.[274][275] US training however was withdrawn on 12 June 2015, as the US House of Representatives passed an amendment blocking any aid (including arms and training) to the regiment due to its neo-Nazi background"

  1. John Conyers, Jr (11 June 2015). "U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces". US House of Representatives. Archived from the original on 17 November 2015. Retrieved 20 June 2015
  2. "Ukraine's neo-Nazis won't get US money". Bloomberg. 12 June 2015. Retrieved 29 March 2022
  3. er 2016. Retrieved 16 November 2016.
  4. ^ "The separatists fired on a bus with fighters of the "AZOV" special police battalion". National Police of Ukraine. 7 May 2014. Archived from the original on 12 April 2018. Retrieved 12 April 2018.
  5. ^ Jump up to:a b c d "The Defenders of Mariupol". Tablet Magazine. 18 May 2022.
  6. ^ Hume, Tim (16 February 2022). "How a Far-Right Battalion Became a Part of Ukraine's National Guard". Vice. Archived from the original on 6 March 2022. Retrieved 7 March 2022.
  7. ^ Sources calling Azov Regiment a neo-Nazi group include:
    • Giuliano, Elise (20 October 2015). "The Social Bases of Support for Self-determination in East Ukraine". Ethnopolitics. 14 (5): 513–522. doi:10.1080/17449057.2015.1051813. ISSN 1744-9057. S2CID 142999704. More dangerously, as the violence heated up, Kiev allowed semi-private paramilitary groups—such as the far right, neo-Nazi Azov Battalion—to fight in east Ukraine (Walker, 2014; Luhn, 2014).
    • Koehler, Daniel (7 October 2019). "A Threat from Within? Exploring the Link between the Extreme Right and the Military". International Centre for Counter-Terrorism. His own involvement in the militant extreme right movement predated his enlistment and Smith also was trying to join the neo-Nazi paramilitary Azov battalion and fight on their side in the Ukrainian conflict.
    • Mudde, Cas (25 October 2019). The Far Right Today. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-1-5095-3685-6 – via Google Books. ...march through the streets of Kyiv, sometimes in torchlight processions, to commemorate old and new far-right heroes, including those of the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, which fights against the Russian-backed occupation of Crimea.
    • Edelman, Marc (9 November 2020). "From 'populist moment' to authoritarian era: challenges, dangers, possibilities". The Journal of Peasant Studies. 47 (7): 1418–1444. doi:10.1080/03066150.2020.1802250. ISSN 0306-6150. S2CID 225214310. Just as hundreds of U.S. and European white supremacists joined Croatian paramilitaries fighting for 'ethnic cleansing' in the 1990s Balkan wars, the current training of foreign white nationalists in Ukrainian military units, such as the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, points to...
    • McKenzie, Nick; Tozer, Joel (22 August 2021). "Fears of neo-Nazis in military ranks after ex-soldier's passport cancelled". The Age. Retrieved 8 April 2022. Mr Sretenovic was intercepted by ASIO and the Australian Border Force at Melbourne Airport in January 2020 bearing a ticket to Belgrade, Serbia. He later told supporters he was travelling to meet a girlfriend and Serbian relatives. But state and federal authorities, who had spent months investigating him, believed he was planning to travel to Ukraine to fight with the Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia fighting Russian forces.
    • Allchorn, William (21 December 2021). Moving beyond Islamist Extremism. Books on Demand. p. 35. ISBN 978-3-8382-1490-0 – via Google Books. ...antisemitic and white-supremacist conspiracy theories circulated by openly neo-fascist and neo-Nazi groups, such as the Azov Battalion in the Ukraine...
    • Bacigalupo, James; Valeri, Robin Maria; Borgeson, Kevin (14 January 2022). Cyberhate: The Far Right in the Digital Age. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 113. ISBN 978-1-7936-0698-3 – via Google Books. The ascendency of a transnational global fascist terrorist network has drawn accelerationists seeking military training with openly neo-Nazi, white supremacist, anti-Semitic organizations like the Azov battalion, who recruited from...
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Ever hear of Aleksei Milchakov? Putin can kiss the world's *** over his claims of NeoNazis.
Alexey Milchakov - Wikipedia
 
Brickjectivity

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Suave said:
Saboteurs attacking the current limited infrastructure linking Crimea with the Russia Federation's mainland very well might motivate the Russian military to widen its campaign of seizing territory from eastern and southern Ukraine forming a secure land corridor linking Crimea with Russia's mainland.
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Possibly. Winter is coming, and so its soon going to be much more difficult for anyone to move the front lines of the war. The ground will become soggy.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Suave said:
As far as I know Alexei Milchakov Rusich cofounded the "Rusich" group of Wagner Mercenaries who have been tasked with the De-Nazification of Ukraine for restoring law and order in Donbas.
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That's because you believe Russia's lies. Alexei himself is a neoNazi and warcriminal. And he's not the only neoNazi fighting fir Russia.
Alexey Milchakov - Wikipedia
Russian neo-Nazi who tortured Ukrainian prisoners shows off his holiday in Belarus
Russian wanted for war crimes in Donbas arrested in Norway
 
Suave

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Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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Suave said:
I figure a former intelligence agent like Putin realizes Neo-Nazis are extreme militants who are more than willing to fight to the death.

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What he "realizes" might be something at odds
with reality. But more likely is that what he says
isn't what he really thinks. Russians (& a few
others) are gullible people because of Putin's
reign on news there. But also, many lust for
conquest...to recapture the imagined glory of
the USSR empire. So it seems that most are
ignorant or evil.
What's worse than Nazis? Stalinists like Putin.
 
Debater Slayer

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Revoltingest said:
What's worse than Nazis? Stalinists like Putin.
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That strikes me as a significantly problematic take considering the scale and magnitude of suffering and death that Nazism has historically caused.

Far better than a comparison between two atrocious ideologies would be clarification of the fact that the Azov Battalion are nowhere near representative of the entire country of Ukraine. Furthermore, if neo-Nazis fight to defend their country and not to advance Nazi ideology, then the goal is still sound and valid regardless of who is pursuing it.

Even the most reprehensible groups sometimes fight for the right causes. Fundamentalist Islamic groups in Afghanistan who defended their country against foreign invasions are an example of this.
 
Father Heathen

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@Suave So the argument is that, because Ukraine has a handful of nazis, that justifies the rape, torture, and murder of civilians, including children?
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Father Heathen said:
@Suave So the argument is that, because Ukraine has a handful of nazis, that justifies the rape, torture, and murder of civilians, including children?
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Apparently. If Putin does to the US what he claims he's doing in Ukraine, those who aren't even white supremacists would suffer the most.
 
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