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Putting the 'Judeo-Christian' back into Australian Schooling...

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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Yeah, so this could go into Religious Debates, but I have a background of education, and am more interested in arguing this from an educational perspective than a religious one. However, happy to hear any comments, since I'm probably going to struggle for an audience given the Australian-ness of the topic.

We have recently had a review of our education curriculum conducted under the direction of our friendly Conservative Government. (Personally, I think our PM is an assclown, just to declare bias).

First off, the review was conducted by 2 men, which seems woefully inadequate. When asked about this, the Education Minister (who I personally think is an assclown) offered the following;

He dismissed questions about the impartiality of Professor Wiltshire and Dr Donnelly, saying: ''I'm very confident that Ken and Kevin will bring a balanced approach.''

Dr Donnelly, who is a former chief of staff to Liberal frontbencher Kevin Andrews, has previously criticised a ''cultural left'' bias in the education system. Professor Wiltshire has labelled the current curriculum as a ''failure'' with poor and patchy content.

The Education Minister said he had not appointed a bigger committee to review the curriculum as he wanted a ''robust'' outcome, rather than a report that pleased all stakeholders.
Source : Christopher Pyne appoints critics of school curriculum to review system

Some of their findings are sensible (eg. the current curriculum is overcrowded) and some are more questionable (very, very limited references to any academic research in supporting negative positions on holistic learning, or constructivist theories of learning), but my main concern is twofold.

1) They flagged PRIOR TO THE REVIEW that we needed to get Back to Basics. Why not perform the review, and then make recommendations? Equally, this message matched the Liberal Party political message, designed to appeal to parents/voters. It's the education equivalent of toughening up gaol sentences for murderers an rapists.

2) They flagged PRIOR TO THE REVIEW that we needed to return to a greater emphasis on our Judeo-Christian roots. There is a limited explanation of what that means, near as I can tell, or why that terminology is used. Practical implication seems to be that we should focus more on our British roots, including British literature, history of settlement and modern Australian days of importance such as Gallipoli (WW1), etc.

Christopher Pyne, with his normal lack of ability to look outside his own worldview in the least sense, then goes on with this;

"There's nothing in it that I can see that the states and territories would baulk at because nothing is trying to drive a political agenda.

"I don't get the sense that this is an ideological document and I don't feel the national curriculum is an ideological document."

Ugh.

My take;
1) Don't flag, or preconceive the results of a review prior to the review.
2) Put in place an independent review group, with expertise in the area, and no formal ties to the polticial party implementing the review.
3) Don't use value-laden terms where they are not required. There is nothing about 'Judeo-Christian heritage' that is required in our National Curriculum. If you want British history and literature taught, then for frig's sake, put British history and literature on the page. Unless we're about to teach about the Council of Nicea or something. Phht.
4) Teachers need to get educated or active. They'll happily rail against standardised testing for a while, then fall into line, but seem to have no interest in national curriculum development, and the politicising of it. I'm viewing this from a distance, so I might be wrong, but they are too commonly interested in petty local issues effecting only their own school. Teaching is a profession, and there needs to be professional discussion and interaction about things which have far-reaching (if slowly realised) consequences.

Oh, and thinking that any National curriculum document isn't ideological is either outright lying, or naivety. I'd much prefer people to declare bias or thoughts on their ideology than claim they are ideologically neutral.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
@4 do you have teacher unions?
at the Judeo-Christian thing. Well I am an american is all i am going to say
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm just waiting to see what word you Aussies come up with for "Crazy Fundamentalist Control-freaks". :D
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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Premium Member
@4 do you have teacher unions?
at the Judeo-Christian thing. Well I am an american is all i am going to say

Yep, we do, Iti.
Teachers are good at mobilising over some issues, but not others. Ideological issues don't seem to get too much traction with the rank and file, generally.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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What is "Judeo-Christian"?

That is a fine question.

I know my OP was overly long, but here's a link to an Aussie article exploring exactly what you ask, and is a pretty decent read.
Australia's 'Judeo-Christian heritage' doesn't exist | Tony Taylor | Comment is free | The Guardian

It includes some background on the term, and a quote from Arthur A Cohen which reads as follows;
I regard all attempts to define a Judeo-Christian tradition as essentially barren and meaningless … at the end point of the consensus when the good will is exhausted, and the rhetoric has billowed away, there remains an incontestable opposition.

My take is that it's a word salad style indicator they're using to sound more 'traditional' with all this crap. Like I said in the OP, if you want to increase the amount of British history and literature in the curriculum (which is how I'm reading it) then just say that.

There is specific mentions in some of the documents about using the Bible as a literary text (not religious), not only in literature classes in high school, but in primary classes. Given that another of the tenets explored is for students to NOT critically evaluate texts too early, I get a little alarmed, to be honest.

And overall I just find much of this intellectually redundant. It's the wrong course of action, and being taken for the wrong reasons.

Australians in general are so religiously apathetic that these type of things are commonly not commented on much. There is good and bad to our apathy, of course (I'd rather be an atheist here than in the States) but on issues like this I wonder why no-one seems to care, or at least to challenge.

As stated in OP, some of the stuff in the reforms is sensible and needed, but the overall picture is not one I'm liking at all.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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I think most kids here are too smart for that nonsense these days.

Really? I think we're doing them a disservice by moving the curriculum in this direction, as we're narrowing their worldview. God forbid we go back to the days of cultural cringe based on how far from much of the world we are.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Really? I think we're doing them a disservice by moving the curriculum in this direction, as we're narrowing their worldview. God forbid we go back to the days of cultural cringe based on how far from much of the world we are.
Or, we could go back to the dark ages when religion ruled.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Really? I think we're doing them a disservice by moving the curriculum in this direction, as we're narrowing their worldview. God forbid we go back to the days of cultural cringe based on how far from much of the world we are.

What troubles me is the degree of historical reinvention here. Australia was not originally Judeo-Christian, has never been an exclusively Christian country and our roots are no more Judeo-Christian than they are drawn from Greco-Roman, Assyrian, Babylonian or Asian influences.

Australia is multi-cultural and has always been so. Abbot (or the great Satan in budgie smugglers) is trying to lead us back to a past that never was,
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Yeah, multiculturalism rocks. I would choose a multicultural society over a monoculture every time.
The way I see it is that as long as we are divided, by culture or whatever we will always have problems, I myself see all as one, no culture in between.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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Premium Member
What troubles me is the degree of historical reinvention here. Australia was not originally Judeo-Christian, has never been an exclusively Christian country and our roots are no more Judeo-Christian than they are drawn from Greco-Roman, Assyrian, Babylonian or Asian influences.

Australia is multi-cultural and has always been so. Abbot (or the great Satan in budgie smugglers) is trying to lead us back to a past that never was,

I agree re: historical reinvention. Far more than any religious issue, that is my main concern with this. It's like he thinks he can take us back to the future, or something, and even the aspects of that being discussed are inaccurate. Judeo-Christian...phhht. @Jayhawker Soule asked the most pertinent first question that should be put to these folks.

I like a re-focused curriculum with less clutter, and in some aspects of what was said, you could even argue there's increased scope for teacher empowerment (eg. removing cross curriculum classes, and instead integrating those within language and maths directly).

But then you add this Judeo-Christian rubbish to it, and it gets scary. It sounds eerily like teachers will have their freedom in the type of texts taught limited (talking right through school, not just upper level literature), and that these limitations will be along the lines of some pretty archaic thinking, from a small group of people, some of whom have no experience in the very classrooms whose curriculum they are planning.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
The way I see it is that as long as we are divided, by culture or whatever we will always have problems, I myself see all as one, no culture in between.
One humanity, one people - many cultures.
Cultural diversity is a big plus. When I was a kid the most exotic thing in an Aussie deli was a monstrosity called a chiko roll. Now you are as likely to find sushi, vietnamese spring rolls or dhukka.:)
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
One humanity, one people - many cultures.
Cultural diversity is a big plus. When I was a kid the most exotic thing in an Aussie deli was a monstrosity called a chiko roll. Now you are as likely to find sushi, vietnamese spring rolls or dhukka.:)
Yes most certainly, but I am more about our differences, the beliefs that divide us from each other.
 
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