Putting the JW Stand on Evolution in Perspective

[Deeje]

It's hugely important especially if you're trying to educate people.

The education was to direct attention to the design that scientists are seeking to mimic. It wasn't a lesson in ornithology.

Have a look at the geographic range of Silver Gulls and ask yourself why a Silver Gull would need anti freeze feet. Kind of a stupid thing to design in them.

Well, on further investigation it seems that perhaps you have the species mixed up. Here is what I found. If you read the description of the Glaucus Gull you will see that there is a red spot near the tip of its lower mandible, as was seen in the picture I posted. In the picture of this gull, it is clearly standing on ice.


"Glaucus Gull (larus hyperborous)

The Glaucous Gull is a large gull whose body will reach roughly 27 inches (68 cm) as an adult. Their wingspan can reach 59-72 inches (149-182 cm) in length. The Glaucous Gulls are very pale in all plumages, with a white head and underparts. The bill is yellow with a red spot near the tip of the lower mandible. The back and wings are light gray with no black in the wings or tail. A juvenile Glaucous gull will have light gray and brown coloration. The Glaucous Gull is a “four-year gull,” in that it takes four years to reach adult plumage.

Breeding and nesting time frame for Glaucous Gulls is usually in May to June. A Glaucous Gull nest is a shallow depression made in a mound of grass, sedge, moss, or twigs. They have little to no lining in them. One to three eggs are laid and both parents share the nest sitting duties for the incubation period. Both parents take turns feeding the chicks for up to 2 months. The young leave the nest on foot a few days after hatching. but they stay close to the nest and the protection of their parents until their first flight which happens around 7 weeks after birth.

The Glaucous Gull breeds in Alaska and northern Canada. They migrate south to the upper portions of the United States for the winter. The Glaucous is one of the most predatory gulls, capturing and eating auks, plovers, ptarmigans, small ducks and birds as well as fish. It is also known to be scavenger, feeding on garbage and dead animals. The Glaucous Gull has been seen to walk into bird colonies to steal eggs and chicks that have been left unprotected."

Seagull facts and information

Need to eat crow now...or seagull perhaps?

It's more likely a redundant evolutionary trait from further back. Your logic is flawed. If they can't get the species right what else are they getting wrong.

An adaptive trait it may well be...I have no issue with that. But I do not see adaptation as something that would make any gull a member of some other family of birds....do you?

The rest is just your usual condescending dribble and childish attempts to insult anyone who doesn't agree with you. Logic tells me a lot about that.

IOW...you have no response to any of it...that's OK. Lack of response to all of the inconvenient truths has come to be expected.

 

[John53]

The education was to direct attention to the design that scientists are seeking to mimic. It wasn't a lesson in ornithology.

Great then they should be accurate and not say seagull to avoid confusion.

Well, on further investigation it seems that perhaps you have the species mixed up. Here is what I found. If you read the description of the Glaucus Gull you will see that there is a red spot near the tip of its lower mandible, as was seen in the picture I posted. In the picture of this gull, it is clearly standing on ice.


"Glaucus Gull (larus hyperborous)

The Glaucous Gull is a large gull whose body will reach roughly 27 inches (68 cm) as an adult. Their wingspan can reach 59-72 inches (149-182 cm) in length. The Glaucous Gulls are very pale in all plumages, with a white head and underparts. The bill is yellow with a red spot near the tip of the lower mandible. The back and wings are light gray with no black in the wings or tail. A juvenile Glaucous gull will have light gray and brown coloration. The Glaucous Gull is a “four-year gull,” in that it takes four years to reach adult plumage.

Breeding and nesting time frame for Glaucous Gulls is usually in May to June. A Glaucous Gull nest is a shallow depression made in a mound of grass, sedge, moss, or twigs. They have little to no lining in them. One to three eggs are laid and both parents share the nest sitting duties for the incubation period. Both parents take turns feeding the chicks for up to 2 months. The young leave the nest on foot a few days after hatching. but they stay close to the nest and the protection of their parents until their first flight which happens around 7 weeks after birth.

The Glaucous Gull breeds in Alaska and northern Canada. They migrate south to the upper portions of the United States for the winter. The Glaucous is one of the most predatory gulls, capturing and eating auks, plovers, ptarmigans, small ducks and birds as well as fish. It is also known to be scavenger, feeding on garbage and dead animals. The Glaucous Gull has been seen to walk into bird colonies to steal eggs and chicks that have been left unprotected."

Seagull facts and information

Fine if it's a Glaucous Gull they should say that and not call it a Seagull thus avoiding confusion. You might want to point it out to the WT author.

Need to eat crow now...or seagull perhaps?

More of your condescending insults.

An adaptive trait it may well be...I have no issue with that. But I do not see adaptation as something that would make any gull a member of some other family of birds....do you?

Depends which gull you're talking about. Like I said before there are people putting forward a case that Silver Gulls are more closely related to Terns than other Gulls.

IOW...you have no response to any of it...that's OK. Lack of response to all of the inconvenient truths has come to be expected.

More of your condescending insults. Tells me a lot.

 

[Deeje]

Great then they should be accurate and not say seagull to avoid confusion.

I wasn't aware that there was any confusion until you created some.....I should thank you actually because I learned a lot about how many species of gulls there are.

Fine if it's a Glaucous Gull they should say that and not call it a Seagull thus avoiding confusion. You might want to point it out to the WT author.

Because, to everyone but an ornithologist....its a seagull. As I said, the species wasn't mentioned specifically but was certainly within the definition of a Glaucous Gull.....as the picture demonstrated. The WT authors were speaking to a general audience because it wasn't about bird species.....OK?

Look, here is another species whom I'm sure exhibit that heat exchange feature in their legs and feet....

"Iceland Gull (larus glaucoidus)

The Iceland Gull is a large gull which breeds in the arctic regions of Canada and Greenland, but oddly enough, not in Iceland, where it is only seen in the winter. It is migratory gull, wintering from both sides of the North Atlantic as far south as the British Isles and northernmost states of the eastern United States. Its coloring is very pale in all plumages, with no black in the wings or tail. Adults are pale grey above, with a yellowish-green bill with a red spot near tip of lower mandible. The adults have a body length that is roughly 20-24 inches (50-60 cm) in length, and a wingspan of 45-54 inches (115-137 cm).

The Iceland Gull, Larus glaucoides, (top left picture) breeds in Greenland during May to June, remaining in Greenland for the summer months and travels to Europe and the Northeastern United States for the winter. The Iceland Gull has no darkness in its wingtips, or only very little, compared to Kumlien's version which has more darkness in the wingtips. During the winter, the Iceland Gull concentrates at the Arctic sea ice openings which are created by ocean currents and warm upwellings (places the often nutrient-rich waters from the ocean depths rise to the surface attracting many fish) where they forage mostly at the water's surface, where the ice is slushy.

The Iceland Gull is divided into two subspecies. The western form known as "Kumlien's Gull," Larus glaucoides kumlieni, (bottom left picture) breeds in Canada and shows variable amounts of dark coloration in the wingtips. The Kumlien's Gull is very easily (and often) confused with the Thayer's gull. The Kumlien's Gull breeds in the eastern Canadian Arctic during the summer, and then migrates to the Atlantic coastline of Canada, with some straying down the Atlantic Coast of the United States."
Seagull facts and information

More of your condescending insults.

Awwwwe c'mon sport...you got caught out spouting off in your own field of interest.....crow doesn't taste good huh? Its OK when you dish it up to others though....? Are you chucking a tanny?

Depends which gull you're talking about. Like I said before there are people putting forward a case that Silver Gulls are more closely related to Terns than other Gulls.

And that matters to whom?....when the species wasn't even mentioned....sheesh. To the average person, a tern and a gull look very similar....both are sea birds. Unless they had an interest in birds, most wouldn't even notice a difference if they saw them in flight.

More of your condescending insults. Tells me a lot.

Your responses tell me a lot too.....you can tell others in no uncertain terms that they are wrong, but you don't like it when you are shown to be wrong.
I guess humble pie doesn't taste good either eh?

 

[John53]

I wasn't aware that there was any confusion until you created some.....I should thank you actually because I learned a lot about how many species of gulls there are.

Happy to be of service and I thank you for showing me how to be a kind loving and humble Christian just like Jesus...

Because, to everyone but an ornithologist....its a seagull. As I said, the species wasn't mentioned specifically but was certainly within the definition of a Glaucous Gull.....as the picture demonstrated. The WT authors were speaking to a general audience because it wasn't about bird species.....OK?

Good to know you and the WT speak for everyone.

Look, here is another species whom I'm sure exhibit that heat exchange feature in their legs and feet....

Thanks, another great example of evolution.

Awwwwe c'mon sport...you got caught out spouting off in your own field of interest.....crow doesn't taste good huh? Its OK when you dish it up to others though....? Are you chucking a tanny?

More childish insults. At least they're good for a chuckle.

And that matters to whom?....when the species wasn't even mentioned....sheesh. To the average person, a tern and a gull look very similar....both are sea birds. Unless they had an interest in birds, most wouldn't even notice a difference if they saw them in flight.

Well it matters to the people trying to work it out I guess.

Your responses tell me a lot too.....you can tell others in no uncertain terms that they are wrong, but you don't like it when you are shown to be wrong.

I'm more than happy to be corrected especially with bird ID's, I try and learn a little each day and I must admit that my knowledge of northern hemisphere gulls is not good.

I guess humble pie doesn't taste good either eh?

More childish insults, your Jesus must be so proud.

 

[Deeje]

You sound just like my uncle, who is going on to my sister (who is a nurse) and I about how the medical field is out to get us and are hiding cures from us to make more money and blah, blah.
When my uncle got prostate cancer, he went to a "naturopath" who put him on some regimen of diluted peroxide and B17 shots. You should have seen all the crap he had lined up on his kitchen counter. There was also some kind of mistletoe pill and blueberry pill (why not just eat blueberries?) in the mix. Anyway, he did this for months on end, spending heaps of money, and all the while his tumour was growing bigger. The naturopath actually told him that the tumour would get bigger before it would begin to shrink! So after months and months of this with his tumour continuing to grow, he decided to see an oncologist instead. The doctor ordered immediate surgery to have the tumour removed and he also underwent some brief chemotherapy. My uncle had that surgery, took a few months to recover and his cancer is now in remission. Had he stuck with the "naturopath" he'd probably be dead by now. The bizarre thing is that he'll still go on about the evils of the medical community today, even after it saved his life.

Oh and by the way, my uncle was ingesting cannabis during this entire time, and that didn't cure his cancer either, nor has it ever been shown to cure cancer. I suspect Bob Marley wouldn't have died from cancer, if that were the case.

If the orthodox medical system was curing people instead of just filling them up with pills and at the same time filling up their bank accounts with cash, you may have an argument. The truth is people are leaving orthodox medicine in droves because natural therapies in many cases work better and have no unwanted side effects. If the therapy doesn't work, at least you haven't spent months or years with your head in a bucket and no hair.

I lost my best friend to cancer over 20 years ago, and even though she tried all sorts of natural therapies, none of them worked for her. But at the end, she spent only two weeks in hospice before the end came. It was her choice to refuse chemo because they could not guarantee that it would even work. The natural therapies were gentler on her body and the end was painful, but mercifully short. She opted for quality of life and she got it.....and she did not look like a refugee from a concentration camp.
I wish she'd had the option to try cannabis back then. We'll never know.

The Internet is full of the testimonies of those who defeated cancer with cannabis, but you will not find big pharma ever interested in doing real trials because the findings might tell a very different story to the one they stick to at present. They must find an isolate of the plant so that they can patent it and make a fake drug that doesn't really work. You can't patent a plant, and if you can't patent it, you can't charge a fortune for it.

Cannabis is a whole plant medicine which has an "entourage effect".....all the components can work together. Some components (Like THC) works better for some conditions and others (like CBD) treat different conditions. Different strains have different ratios. The human body has an endocannabinoid system that is designed to work with cannabis in just about every part of the body. It is a perfect medicine that can treat or cure many diseases and help alleviate the suffering in many more. So many are denied the right to try it because of its "schedule one" classification in many places....it meets none of the criteria. So those who classified it should be jailed for crimes against humanity lasting 7 decades.

The one thing that makes me madder than anything is those who think they are raising money for cancer research....who do you think that money is going to? There will never be a cure for cancer no matter how much money is raised. Big Pharma will never allow anything to destroy their financial empire.
Chemotherapy is a multi-billion dollar business. There are bigger forces for evil working against the weaker forces for good in all the systems that control human life. Propaganda works because people don't know its propaganda. These systems know that if you play on people's emotions....you've got 'em.

If we had an honest system that was really interested in curing disease instead of making a profit, then medicines like cannabis would be tried and tested to demonstrate which of the thousands of strains are suitable for which illness. Cancer has been cured in thousands of patients because they fluked the right the strain for their particular cancer. What a different story could be told if the work done in Israel was being done openly and honestly, everywhere.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...rael-is-a-global-leader-in-marijuana-research

If you work in the orthodox system then I believe that you have to be as brainwashed as everyone else who is trained by it....GP's, nurses, technicians, dieticians, surgeons, ophthalmologists.....everyone connected is influenced by the system itself. They'd have to be to stay in it.

 

[Deeje]

Happy to be of service and I thank you for showing me how to be a kind loving and humble Christian just like Jesus...


Good to know you and the WT speak for everyone.


Thanks, another great example of evolution.


More childish insults. At least they're good for a chuckle.



Well it matters to the people trying to work it out I guess.



I'm more than happy to be corrected especially with bird ID's, I try and learn a little each day and I must admit that my knowledge of northern hemisphere gulls is not good.



More childish insults, your Jesus must be so proud.

.......you are chucking a tanny.

Go back and read your responses to me and see that you were very condescending in your posts because you thought my brothers had published a picture of the wrong bird.....you made a song and dance about it.....when I respond and call you out....you cry foul. Is that humble? No, that's a tanny mate.

You talk about childishness...? Sheesh.

 

[John53]

.......you are chucking a tanny.

Go back and read your responses to me and see that you were very condescending in your posts because you thought my brothers had published a picture of the wrong bird.....you made a song and dance about it.....when I respond and call you out....you cry foul. Is that humble? No, that's a tanny mate.

You talk about childishness...? Sheesh.

So saying it's not a Seagull (and it's not) that it is a Silver Gull (I was wrong) is a song and dance? lol.

Another childish attack... I'm learning all the time how to act like a Christian.

 

[oldbadger]

What gap?

Hi.......
I keep reading about missing links between mankind and the rest of evolution. You haven't heard of this either?

And the faster our technological achievements accelerate, so facetious laughter over extra-terrestrial intervention seems to be reducing....... is all.

I'm having difficulty with some obviously high-achieving scientists on this thread over this, but they won't answer the points, keep telling me that I haven't been able to refer to any reports or publications, keep telling me that I am dishonest, etc etc and I got bored and stopped reading them.

I don't have any big agenda against evolution but the question of mankind's development still seems to be unclear.

If you ask I will gather some articles and publications at random for you to read..... would you like that?

 

[oldbadger]

Pity that in all of your extensive education, you never seemed to learn about logical fallacies, because you sure seem to rely on them.

Hi....
I've always enjoyed reading and hearing that term..... 'Logical Fallacy'.

It's a contradiction within itself. Surely somebody could have produced a more logical term than that?

 

[oldbadger]

"Accuse"?

Grief! Where did I say you didn't know? Where?

I asked a question, if you knew.

More inaccuracies....

Hi @Hockeycowboy and @Deeje ..... !!
How's it going?

I don't usually gain much from debating with illogical pseudo scientists who think they are smart, but I have to tell you that occasional posts on this thread could have identified a whole new concept or cult .........

Pseudo-Science! What we're looking for are a whole bunch of mindsets that could be bracketed in to this cult, and it's all about reversed 'brains/'. Things which these P-Ss (Pseudo-Scientists) might believe to be 'logical' are in fact 'illogical', and so forth....


They might tend to choose a toothpaste if the adverts claim that they are a 'scientific' breakthough.
They will believe any research carried out by 'scientists' as long as it fits with their cult's doctrines.
Wow! Their cult has doctrines, mimicking real science doctrine but messed up and jumbled.
They use illogical terms such as 'logical fallacy' and by throwing such terms around like hand grenades they believe that they can win debates or even gain converts. (I hope you're not being tempted by all this?)

Look.... I must take my wife to work soon.... cannot build on this just now...... but I think we've got something here.... the P-S Cult. Hmmm..... I need to work on that title.

Obviously REAL SCIENTISTS are nothing to do with the PS cult at all, but they don't tend to shout, posture, talk down etc.... in discussions, I expect.

All the best to both of you...

 

[Deeje]

So saying it's not a Seagull (and it's not) that it is a Silver Gull (I was wrong) is a song and dance? lol.

Here is what you said......

"It's hugely important especially if you're trying to educate people. Have a look at the geographic range of Silver Gulls and ask yourself why a Silver Gull would need anti freeze feet. Kind of a stupid thing to design in them. It's more likely a redundant evolutionary trait from further back. Your logic is flawed. If they can't get the species right what else are they getting wrong?"

A song and dance? It is when you call it "hugely important" (not so important now though apparently)....my logic is flawed (which it isn't)....and if they can't get the species right what else are they getting wrong? (inferring that if they got that wrong, other stuff has to be wrong too. Well they didn't get it wrong as it turned out.)
So, yep...I'd call that a song and dance.

Another childish attack... I'm learning all the time how to act like a Christian

Why is my pointing out your error anything to do with my Christianity? Is it only atheists who can point out errors and return a bit of sarcasm then?

 

[Deeje]

Hi @Hockeycowboy and @Deeje ..... !!
How's it going?

I don't usually gain much from debating with illogical pseudo scientists who think they are smart, but I have to tell you that occasional posts on this thread could have identified a whole new concept or cult .........

Pseudo-Science! What we're looking for are a whole bunch of mindsets that could be bracketed in to this cult, and it's all about reversed 'brains/'. Things which these P-Ss (Pseudo-Scientists) might believe to be 'logical' are in fact 'illogical', and so forth....


They might tend to choose a toothpaste if the adverts claim that they are a 'scientific' breakthough.
They will believe any research carried out by 'scientists' as long as it fits with their cult's doctrines.
Wow! Their cult has doctrines, mimicking real science doctrine but messed up and jumbled.
They use illogical terms such as 'logical fallacy' and by throwing such terms around like hand grenades they believe that they can win debates or even gain converts. (I hope you're not being tempted by all this?)

Look.... I must take my wife to work soon.... cannot build on this just now...... but I think we've got something here.... the P-S Cult. Hmmm..... I need to work on that title.

Obviously REAL SCIENTISTS are nothing to do with the PS cult at all, but they don't tend to shout, posture, talk down etc.... in discussions, I expect.

All the best to both of you...

Well said OB.....I think you're onto something.

 

[John53]

Here is what you said......

"It's hugely important especially if you're trying to educate people. Have a look at the geographic range of Silver Gulls and ask yourself why a Silver Gull would need anti freeze feet. Kind of a stupid thing to design in them. It's more likely a redundant evolutionary trait from further back. Your logic is flawed. If they can't get the species right what else are they getting wrong?"

A song and dance? It is when you call it "hugely important" (not so important now though apparently)....my logic is flawed (which it isn't)....and if they can't get the species right what else are they getting wrong? (inferring that if they got that wrong, other stuff has to be wrong too. Well they didn't get it wrong as it turned out.)
So, yep...I'd call that a song and dance.

I keep saying it's important! It's not a Seagull, if your post had of said what it actually is there would no confusion. I got an ID wrong of a bird I'd never heard of looking at a low res pic... sue me. You thought it was a Silver Gull too and accused me of nit picking until you did some digging when I mentioned the geographical range of Silver Gulls. Then you tried to use your new found knowledge to humiliate me.... very Jesus like. Here's a tip, I have no feelings and don't mind being corrected.

Why is my pointing out your error anything to do with my Christianity? Is it only atheists who can point out errors and return a bit of sarcasm then?

Lol. Read your post a little while back about Catholics not behaving like Christians. It has nothing to do with me being wrong, if you read back I was commenting on your behaviour before that....

 

[Hockeycowboy]

It's a Silver Gull, not a Seagull

A gull is a seagull. Did you go to that link on "gull"?

It begins: "Gulls or seagulls are seabirds of the family Laridae in the suborder Lari."

Notice that? There's no differentiation between the two

There's actually a discussion on at the moment where some think the Silver Gull is more closely related to Terns than the other Gulls.

Not just Silver's....all in the suborder Lari.

"They [as in all gulls / seagulls] are most closely related to the terns (family Sternidae) and only distantly related to auks, skimmers, and more distantly to the waders"

Apparently there are about 11 different genera, indicating, I guess, quite a few species.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I've lived next to two JW families for over 40 years now, and with one of them, the wife finally "had it" and left the JW's which then led to divorce.

A Christian spouse does not get a divorce from their mate because they want to stop being a JW. What does give JW's grounds for divorce, is adultery. Even then, it doesn't have to lead to divorce. If the innocent mate is willing to forgive, they can work it out and stay together.
If the guilty party shows no remorse for breaking their bond -- and for breaking Jehovah's law, I might add -- the guilty one will be disfellowshipped (a person is disfellowshipped, not for what they do, but for their attitude about doing it.)

If they were disfellowshipped for another reason -- stealing, drunkenness, etc. -- there should be no divorce.

 

[Deeje]

I keep saying it's important! It's not a Seagull, if your post had of said what it actually is there would no confusion. I got an ID wrong of a bird I'd never heard of looking at a low res pic... sue me.

I thought it was rather a high res pic myself. You could even see the red spot.....But never mind....

You thought it was a Silver Gull too

I'm not an ornithologist or a bird expert, but obviously my brothers had done their homework on this one. I knew there were different gulls in the world, but your protest led me to discover so many more than I ever thought possible.

and accused me of nit picking until you did some digging when I mentioned the geographical range of Silver Gulls. Then you tried to use your new found knowledge to humiliate me....

Oh, I see, it was you feeling humiliated when you had attempted to humiliate my brothers accusing them of being wrong in other things as well.

Here's a tip, I have no feelings and don't mind being corrected.

What ????

Lol. Read your post a little while back about Catholics not behaving like Christians.

I believe my comment was about the church's teachings, if memory serves me. I stand by that, but I was responding to someone else....what does that have to do with my response to you?

It has nothing to do with me being wrong, if you read back I was commenting on your behaviour before that....

I think you just are trying to cover your embarrassment....it's time to put it down now...don't you think?

 

[savagewind]

A Christian spouse does not get a divorce from their mate because they want to stop being a JW. What does give JW's grounds for divorce, is adultery. Even then, it doesn't have to lead to divorce. If the innocent mate is willing to forgive, they can work it out and stay together.
If the guilty party shows no remorse for breaking their bond -- and for breaking Jehovah's law, I might add -- the guilty one will be disfellowshipped (a person is disfellowshipped, not for what they do, but for their attitude about doing it.)

If they were disfellowshipped for another reason -- stealing, drunkenness, etc. -- there should be no divorce.

Unbelieveable! So, now elders are judges of hearts? Is that Bible based?

 

[Audie]

Hi.......
I keep reading about missing links between mankind and the rest of evolution. You haven't heard of this either?

And the faster our technological achievements accelerate, so facetious laughter over extra-terrestrial intervention seems to be reducing....... is all.

I'm having difficulty with some obviously high-achieving scientists on this thread over this, but they won't answer the points, keep telling me that I haven't been able to refer to any reports or publications, keep telling me that I am dishonest, etc etc and I got bored and stopped reading them.

I don't have any big agenda against evolution but the question of mankind's development still seems to be unclear.

If you ask I will gather some articles and publications at random for you to read..... would you like that?

I wonder why you call it "the question".
There are a lot of questions, and, as is typical
in research, more answers bring more questions.

What question or questions about human evolution
do you have in mind, and, are any of them of
such a nature that-in your mind-they call into
serious question whether human kind evolved,
or, was created by a god, as is?

 

[Audie]

A gull is a seagull. Did you go to that link on "gull"?

It begins: "Gulls or seagulls are seabirds of the family Laridae in the suborder Lari."

Notice that? There's no differentiation between the two



Not just Silver's....all in the suborder Lari.

"They [as in all gulls / seagulls] are most closely related to the terns (family Sternidae) and only distantly related to auks, skimmers, and more distantly to the waders"

Apparently there are about 11 different genera, indicating, I guess, quite a few species.

Makes sense.

One would not properly say "no,that is not a rodent,
it is a mouse."

 

[Audie]

Hi @Hockeycowboy and @Deeje ..... !!
How's it going?

I don't usually gain much from debating with illogical pseudo scientists who think they are smart, but I have to tell you that occasional posts on this thread could have identified a whole new concept or cult .........

Pseudo-Science! What we're looking for are a whole bunch of mindsets that could be bracketed in to this cult, and it's all about reversed 'brains/'. Things which these P-Ss (Pseudo-Scientists) might believe to be 'logical' are in fact 'illogical', and so forth....


They might tend to choose a toothpaste if the adverts claim that they are a 'scientific' breakthough.
They will believe any research carried out by 'scientists' as long as it fits with their cult's doctrines.
Wow! Their cult has doctrines, mimicking real science doctrine but messed up and jumbled.
They use illogical terms such as 'logical fallacy' and by throwing such terms around like hand grenades they believe that they can win debates or even gain converts. (I hope you're not being tempted by all this?)

Look.... I must take my wife to work soon.... cannot build on this just now...... but I think we've got something here.... the P-S Cult. Hmmm..... I need to work on that title.

Obviously REAL SCIENTISTS are nothing to do with the PS cult at all, but they don't tend to shout, posture, talk down etc.... in discussions, I expect.

All the best to both of you...

You ever see any of that there pseudoscience used by
our JWs?