Frank Goad
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If God is all powerful.Why doesn't he make a way for everyone to know he is real beyond a doubt?
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Question about God.And him being all powerful
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Only God knows the answer to thatIf God is all powerful.Why doesn't he make a way for everyone to know he is real beyond a doubt?
It is impossible for us to know for sure
We can only speculate
We can speculate and speculate all day and get no closer to the truth
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
Whether God exists or not isn't a fact but rather an opinion. Consider this: believing in God takes two steps, not one. One, you need to believe that something out there is worthy of Godhood and divinity. Two, you need to believe that whatever is worthy of that actually exists. I've heard atheists say before that even if the God of the Bible is accurate, they still wouldn't consider it God because according to their idea of God, God cannot be vindictive, jealous or a hateful being, as depicted in the good book.
The God that I believe in, a pantheist-style God, isn't necessarily anthropomorphic. Yes, extropy is a centrally human concept, but extropy by itself isn't human. The Omniverse doesn't have a mouth and lips to tell us it exists. The God I believe in I believe in because I am able to do some major extrapolating and understand that the Universe came from something that is most likely infinite itself. Then I just broke down what all action is: entropy and extropy, like chaos and order, and established that as a trinitarian pantheist concept.
Of course, neither The Omniverse, or the concepts of entropy and extropy have any compacity to verbally tell us that they exist. I know God exists because not only did I find something that I believe exists that I consider divine, but I also believe these three concepts are worthy of a Godhood. It is because of these three things that all things exists, and has the capacity to raise and lower the divinity of all entities. It is hard to measure the concept of divinity, but one easy way to think of it is when you are conceived and born you start possessing divinity and when you die that divinity vanishes.
Blue is my favorite color. God is just personalizing a central favorite thing, a favorite concept. My favorite concepts for the inclusion of divinity are The Omniverse, entropy and extropy. That is how I perceive God, and I witness all three of these concepts every day on a real and personal level. I know they're real, tangible, and valuable not only to me but to the rest of humanity as well. But being in the realm of a concept rather than something personified makes it impossible for it to verbally communicate that divinity to us. When the Omega Point happens, everyone and everything will personally know and understand the true Syntheos God of The Omniverse and also possess Omniversal traits themselves. I firmly believe that.
The God that I believe in, a pantheist-style God, isn't necessarily anthropomorphic. Yes, extropy is a centrally human concept, but extropy by itself isn't human. The Omniverse doesn't have a mouth and lips to tell us it exists. The God I believe in I believe in because I am able to do some major extrapolating and understand that the Universe came from something that is most likely infinite itself. Then I just broke down what all action is: entropy and extropy, like chaos and order, and established that as a trinitarian pantheist concept.
Of course, neither The Omniverse, or the concepts of entropy and extropy have any compacity to verbally tell us that they exist. I know God exists because not only did I find something that I believe exists that I consider divine, but I also believe these three concepts are worthy of a Godhood. It is because of these three things that all things exists, and has the capacity to raise and lower the divinity of all entities. It is hard to measure the concept of divinity, but one easy way to think of it is when you are conceived and born you start possessing divinity and when you die that divinity vanishes.
Blue is my favorite color. God is just personalizing a central favorite thing, a favorite concept. My favorite concepts for the inclusion of divinity are The Omniverse, entropy and extropy. That is how I perceive God, and I witness all three of these concepts every day on a real and personal level. I know they're real, tangible, and valuable not only to me but to the rest of humanity as well. But being in the realm of a concept rather than something personified makes it impossible for it to verbally communicate that divinity to us. When the Omega Point happens, everyone and everything will personally know and understand the true Syntheos God of The Omniverse and also possess Omniversal traits themselves. I firmly believe that.
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Maybe because She does not want to.If God is all powerful.Why doesn't he make a way for everyone to know he is real beyond a doubt?
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syo
Well-Known Member
He's already done that.If God is all powerful.Why doesn't he make a way for everyone to know he is real beyond a doubt?
Sir Joseph
Member
If God is all powerful.Why doesn't he make a way for everyone to know he is real beyond a doubt?
According to God's Word in Romans 1:20, he has:
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." (NIV)
I think the simplest way to explain this would be for one to just stare up at the night sky and contemplate the vast number of stars or to assess the biological world around us and see the infinite complexity in design and function.
We have enough evidence to prove God's existence beyond a reasonable doubt, including scientific insight supporting a supernatural creation, witness testimony of supernatural historical events, fulfilled written prophesies mandating a supernatural knowledge beyond time, and otherwise inexplicable existence of man's mind and conscience.
Anyone of reason can determine the existence of God if he has an open heart to the matter. That's why the Bible says:
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” (NIV Psalm 53:1)
Hi @Frank Goad
If early Judeo-Christian textual descriptions regarding spirits before this life are correct then at some point we DID know there was a God before being born into mortality and that knowledge is left behind by entering mortality.
I believe that mortality is purposefully designed such that we are allowed complete freedom to believe and to act according to our most honest desires such that we are to be able to be unaffected by either a fear of punishment for bad behavior or to engage in the "business" of trying to obtain a reward for good behaviors in the next life.
I am a Christian. However, if I do know whether to believe in a God or not and my personal belief is "Maybe there is a God and maybe he doesn't exist, I simply don't know" then I am completely free to chose how I want to live. Do I want to engage in good and productive and genuinely selfless behaviours or Do I want to engage in an ethics-free life where I simply want to seek my own happiness at the expense of others? (or some position in between)
It is only in the situation where we are theologically anonymous and "in the dark" where we can see what our real personal choices are without outside influence.
If I truly do not believe a God exists then any good moral thing I choose to do is truly from my heart and my own character.
Once I believe in a God, then I cannot divorce myself from considerations as to what might please or displease this God and some of my choices may be affected by those considerations.
If I am simply agnostic (don't know whether there is or is not a God) then my choices may or may not be affected by the possibility of a God.
The point is that the degree of affect on my moral actions (but not my underlying moral character per se) is, to a certain extent, affected by the degree of my belief in a morally concerned God. The early Christians had a saying “...if God paid the wages of the righteous immediately, we would soon be engaged in business, not godliness; though we would appear to be righteous, we would in fact be pursuing not piety but profit.... ” 2 Clement 20:2-4
In that case what would ultimately be sought is the "profit" of heavenly reward rather than the seeking to develop the moral character of choosing to do right whether or not a God exists.
In any case Frank, good luck coming to your own concept as to why things are the way they are.
Clear
εισετζω
If early Judeo-Christian textual descriptions regarding spirits before this life are correct then at some point we DID know there was a God before being born into mortality and that knowledge is left behind by entering mortality.
I believe that mortality is purposefully designed such that we are allowed complete freedom to believe and to act according to our most honest desires such that we are to be able to be unaffected by either a fear of punishment for bad behavior or to engage in the "business" of trying to obtain a reward for good behaviors in the next life.
I am a Christian. However, if I do know whether to believe in a God or not and my personal belief is "Maybe there is a God and maybe he doesn't exist, I simply don't know" then I am completely free to chose how I want to live. Do I want to engage in good and productive and genuinely selfless behaviours or Do I want to engage in an ethics-free life where I simply want to seek my own happiness at the expense of others? (or some position in between)
It is only in the situation where we are theologically anonymous and "in the dark" where we can see what our real personal choices are without outside influence.
If I truly do not believe a God exists then any good moral thing I choose to do is truly from my heart and my own character.
Once I believe in a God, then I cannot divorce myself from considerations as to what might please or displease this God and some of my choices may be affected by those considerations.
If I am simply agnostic (don't know whether there is or is not a God) then my choices may or may not be affected by the possibility of a God.
The point is that the degree of affect on my moral actions (but not my underlying moral character per se) is, to a certain extent, affected by the degree of my belief in a morally concerned God. The early Christians had a saying “...if God paid the wages of the righteous immediately, we would soon be engaged in business, not godliness; though we would appear to be righteous, we would in fact be pursuing not piety but profit.... ” 2 Clement 20:2-4
In that case what would ultimately be sought is the "profit" of heavenly reward rather than the seeking to develop the moral character of choosing to do right whether or not a God exists.
In any case Frank, good luck coming to your own concept as to why things are the way they are.
Clear
εισετζω
PureX
Veteran Member
Because God is God and we are not. We are the "other than".If God is all powerful.Why doesn't he make a way for everyone to know he is real beyond a doubt?
(x does not equal X, or it would be X)
Bird123
Well-Known Member
It has never ever been about believing.If God is all powerful.Why doesn't he make a way for everyone to know he is real beyond a doubt?
Everyone already knows God whether they know they know or not. Everyone will remember when they bump into God again.
Free choice is a very big part of God's system. God will never do anything to coerce or intimidate those free choices.
There is a way to know God exists beyond a doubt. How many work at Discovering this for themselves? So many want it all served up on a plate, however Discovering and acquiring knowledge takes work. People talk, however I have found very few who actually want to find God.
That's what I see. It's very clear!!