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Question About Labels, Views, and Attitudes

What label would you use to describe my current views and attitudes toward discussions and debates?

  • Far left.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Left.

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • Center-left.

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • Centrist.

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Center-right.

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Right.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Far right.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other (please specify in the thread).

    Votes: 2 14.3%

  • Total voters
    14
  • Poll closed .

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Inspired by a thread from @SalixIncendium that I came across again today: Is Salix an Atheist?

Based on what you know of my current views and attitudes toward discussions and debates, what label would you use to describe them?

I'm intentionally not going into details about my views in this post because I'm interested to know what impressions of them others already have. Mainly, I'm interested to know which labels, if any, others may associate with a given set of views if the person holding those views doesn't persistently specify a label for themselves.

Thanks in advance!
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Inspired by a thread from @SalixIncendium that I came across again today: Is Salix an Atheist?

Based on what you know of my current views and attitudes toward discussions and debates, what label would you use to describe them?

I'm intentionally not going into details about my views in this post because I'm interested to know what impressions of them others already have. Mainly, I'm interested to know which labels, if any, others may associate with a given set of views if the person holding those views doesn't persistently specify a label for themselves.

Thanks in advance!

Either left or center-left.
You are not a conservative and if I had to bet I would say you are a progressive, that alone suffices to put you in the left field.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I have little notion. Anywhere from far left to center-right, if we are going by that axis.

Mainly you strike me as careful to not step on anyone's toes if you can help it.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm comparing you to what I see on RF. I suspect that where you live, you would be rated by most as Far Left.

On social issues, you're correct: I would be so far left where I live I might as well pop out of the charts.

On economic issues, it's more complicated: some of the highly prominent figures in the 2011 revolution were socialists and communists, and even many Islamists, whose views are socially far right, tend to have views on at least a subset of key economic issues that could quite arguably be classified as socialistic in some ways—although Islamic law allows private property (including private ownership of large businesses, factories, etc.), inheritance, and markets, in addition to having different rules for taxation than are commonly found today, so some (but not all, of course) forms of socialism would be incompatible with it.

On RF, you seem to be a bit left of what appears to me to be 'center,' and you seem to go to great pains to see to it that center and right views are heard.

This is good to read, as I consider it a core part of my duties as a forum admin to do my best to ensure that debates and discussions on RF are able to reflect the membership's diverse range of views, be they political or religious, where the relevant aspect for moderation is whether posts abide by the forum rules rather than whether they align with a specific set of views.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I think it would be interesting to get a sense of how opinions on various current topics would be assessed on the OP's continuum?

I continue to feel that I'm a classic liberal, probably center-left on the OP's continuum, but I'm often called "right wing" by folks on RF that strike me as far-left.

So, for example, I'm critical of how DEI has evolved. It would be interesting to see how posters would categorize the current state of DEI initiatives..
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Inspired by a thread from @SalixIncendium that I came across again today: Is Salix an Atheist?

Based on what you know of my current views and attitudes toward discussions and debates, what label would you use to describe them?

I'm intentionally not going into details about my views in this post because I'm interested to know what impressions of them others already have. Mainly, I'm interested to know which labels, if any, others may associate with a given set of views if the person holding those views doesn't persistently specify a label for themselves.

Thanks in advance!

First, I would say that it's hard to pigeonhole people in any kind of serious or thoughtful way. I think most tend to do it as a matter of convenience, a way of determining who is on whose side in any kind of discussion or political disagreement.

It's more just a generalized marker, in my opinion, and not always that reliable. I've seen a lot of criticisms of the traditional political spectrum as outdated, and some people try to come up with new and inventive ways to categorize their political allies and opponents.

That said, as a generalized marker, I would guesstimate your position as probably somewhere on the left side. Whether it's "far left" or "center left" or somewhere in between, I'm not entirely sure. I think that many American leftists would probably agree with many of your statements about U.S. foreign policy and its impact on the world. So, you get some left-wing cred for that.

When it comes to economic issues, capitalism vs. socialism, the left tends to favor socialism, but some might have more moderate positions, which would be more "left" whereas the more radical variety might be on the "far left."

Social issues can also find their way on the spectrum, as the left tends to be more supportive of civil rights, equality, gender equality, LGBTQ rights, and other issues surrounding human rights and social justice. It entails a more progressive outlook, more adaptable to change - although it can also be either moderate or radical, as with anything. The right wing tends to not support that and moves more towards traditional ideals and social mores. And they can also have their more moderate and radical versions.

So, it can get a bit mixed up sometimes, as there are people who might take a more right-wing position on capitalism and economics, yet a more left-wing position on social issues - or vice versa. Or there might be those who support liberal and progressive policies at home, while supporting an aggressive and militaristic foreign policy. That's kind of what we've had in the U.S. these past decades.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
You asked a compound question: "current views" being one question and "attitudes toward discussions/debates" being the other question. And your choices were political even though the thread title could have been about religion or any other topic such as coffee vs tea.

Since you are a staff member, you need to have that in mind whenever you post so I would assume you have either an easy going attitude toward stupidity and wrongheadedness or manage to keep yourself from writing exactly what you feel.

And since you are not an American, your left/right/center would apply very differently in the UK due to the "overton window" as well as whether or not it even makes since in other nations such as Egypt.

So: other.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Hopefully not in this thread, as that would derail it.
It was meant to be an example.

My point is that - IMO - almost all individuals will hold some "left leaning" beliefs and some "right leaning" beliefs. and that's one reason why I think identity politics are so often toxic.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
You asked a compound question: "current views" being one question and "attitudes toward discussions/debates" being the other question. And your choices were political even though the thread title could have been about religion or any other topic such as coffee vs tea.

Yes, all of that is accurate. To clarify why 1) I asked two questions in one, and 2) the choices are political, it's because I have observed that many people tend to associate certain political views with specific labels, which in turn they may associate with specific attitudes to discussion or debate. So, for example, some people might assume that a person who opposes affirmative action is necessarily right-wing, or that someone who supports universal health care is necessarily left-wing. Then they might have preconceived notions about that person's attitude toward discussion or debate based on this categorization, such as, say, the notion that the perceived conservative will be less open to discussion or the notion that the perceived leftist will be combative or aggressive while discussing or debating.

I don't find it helpful to make such assumptions or jump to conclusions about people based on incomplete or superficial information, but it seems to be increasingly common in the age of social media and clout-chasing.

Since you are a staff member, you need to have that in mind whenever you post so I would assume you have either an easy going attitude toward stupidity and wrongheadedness or manage to keep yourself from writing exactly what you feel.

It's often a combination of the two, with the caveat that I wouldn't necessarily describe all beliefs or attitudes I perceive as harmful, unethical, or otherwise objectionable as "stupid" or "wrongheaded." I believe they can be a product of many complicated factors.

In the last few years, it has been significantly more of the former than the latter, since pretty much no opinions I read or hear get an angry reaction out of me nowadays (for more than one reason, but primarily my views on how people form and maintain their opinions as well as my views on human nature in general).

And since you are not an American, your left/right/center would apply very differently in the UK due to the "overton window" as well as whether or not it even makes since in other nations such as Egypt.

So: other.

Thanks for the answer and the elaboration on your poll response!
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
So, it can get a bit mixed up sometimes, as there are people who might take a more right-wing position on capitalism and economics, yet a more left-wing position on social issues - or vice versa. Or there might be those who support liberal and progressive policies at home, while supporting an aggressive and militaristic foreign policy.

My point is that - IMO - almost all individuals will hold some "left leaning" beliefs and some "right leaning" beliefs.

I agree with all of the above.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
someone who supports universal health care is necessarily left-wing.
That's the US perspective. In the medically civilized world, I would not make that assumption. Some might prefer the Swiss system which to me is more private insurance focused than the British NHS, but I would assume that right and left both agree on the basic idea of universal health care in Europe. Maybe I'm wrong?
 
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