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Question about the natural world for atheists

seekingreality

New Member
I have a question for atheists, this is a genuine question, not looking to argue or anything like that. Just want to pick some of your brains and see your mindset on it. So, if god or a creator doesn't exist, and it doesn't dictate the way our life will go, how do you guys (atheists) cope with the tragedies and chaos of life? I assume if you're atheists, you're well aware that this natural world is a dog eat dog world, it is filled with chaos, violence, and mercilessness. You could be walking and drop dead, you could be exercising to better yourself (you need to exercise so that you can be healthy, defend yourself, defend your country, etc) and you can drop dead, any little mistake can cost you your life, literally the smallest margin of mistakes, and lights out. So how do you brave these facts and continue living, somewhat normally? I ask this because I developed panic disorder since a young child. I can't say why for certain, but I believe it has something to do with negative people when I was a kid putting me down and telling me there is no god or purpose and only the abyss and I remember since a child that always put intense fear into me and I still suffer to this day from debilitating panic attacks, I've had to be sedated on antidepressants for years now and have almost died multiple times from panic attacks when I attempted to get off and years later the panic attacks come back with a vengeance. So I guess my question is, how do you be brave and live life like a champ, if you have no crutch to stand on knowing that you could die in your sleep and there would be nothing to save you, or you could be enjoying a workout then next minute you're dead and later in the day you're cut open on a metal slab? Or that you can lose your minds and just start panicking and then you die? What gives you the courage to continue living? Do you just trust that you are a product of natural selection and it's not in your genes to panic? Do you just trust in your own body to keep itself upright and living no matter the stress? Thanks in return for your answers that hopefully help me and save my life for I have not been doing too well lately.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I have a question for atheists, this is a genuine question, not looking to argue or anything like that. Just want to pick some of your brains and see your mindset on it. So, if god or a creator doesn't exist, and it doesn't dictate the way our life will go, how do you guys (atheists) cope with the tragedies and chaos of life? I assume if you're atheists, you're well aware that this natural world is a dog eat dog world, it is filled with chaos, violence, and mercilessness. You could be walking and drop dead, you could be exercising to better yourself (you need to exercise so that you can be healthy, defend yourself, defend your country, etc) and you can drop dead, any little mistake can cost you your life, literally the smallest margin of mistakes, and lights out. So how do you brave these facts and continue living, somewhat normally? I ask this because I developed panic disorder since a young child. I can't say why for certain, but I believe it has something to do with negative people when I was a kid putting me down and telling me there is no god or purpose and only the abyss and I remember since a child that always put intense fear into me and I still suffer to this day from debilitating panic attacks, I've had to be sedated on antidepressants for years now and have almost died multiple times from panic attacks when I attempted to get off and years later the panic attacks come back with a vengeance. So I guess my question is, how do you be brave and live life like a champ, if you have no crutch to stand on knowing that you could die in your sleep and there would be nothing to save you, or you could be enjoying a workout then next minute you're dead and later in the day you're cut open on a metal slab? Or that you can lose your minds and just start panicking and then you die? What gives you the courage to continue living? Do you just trust that you are a product of natural selection and it's not in your genes to panic? Do you just trust in your own body to keep itself upright and living no matter the stress? Thanks in return for your answers that hopefully help me and save my life for I have not been doing too well lately.
I just acknowledge reality of it all and find that entropy explains a lot of things as to why life runs like this. It may not solve life's pains but it does give some kind of insight and understanding whenever bad things happen plus I don't look at the dark side all the time I do find life has its benefits just as well.

I also get comfort from knowing that I don't own nature but rather nature owns me.
 

Balthazzar

N. Germanic Descent
I have a question for atheists, this is a genuine question, not looking to argue or anything like that. Just want to pick some of your brains and see your mindset on it. So, if god or a creator doesn't exist, and it doesn't dictate the way our life will go, how do you guys (atheists) cope with the tragedies and chaos of life? I assume if you're atheists, you're well aware that this natural world is a dog eat dog world, it is filled with chaos, violence, and mercilessness. You could be walking and drop dead, you could be exercising to better yourself (you need to exercise so that you can be healthy, defend yourself, defend your country, etc) and you can drop dead, any little mistake can cost you your life, literally the smallest margin of mistakes, and lights out. So how do you brave these facts and continue living, somewhat normally? I ask this because I developed panic disorder since a young child. I can't say why for certain, but I believe it has something to do with negative people when I was a kid putting me down and telling me there is no god or purpose and only the abyss and I remember since a child that always put intense fear into me and I still suffer to this day from debilitating panic attacks, I've had to be sedated on antidepressants for years now and have almost died multiple times from panic attacks when I attempted to get off and years later the panic attacks come back with a vengeance. So I guess my question is, how do you be brave and live life like a champ, if you have no crutch to stand on knowing that you could die in your sleep and there would be nothing to save you, or you could be enjoying a workout then next minute you're dead and later in the day you're cut open on a metal slab? Or that you can lose your minds and just start panicking and then you die? What gives you the courage to continue living? Do you just trust that you are a product of natural selection and it's not in your genes to panic? Do you just trust in your own body to keep itself upright and living no matter the stress? Thanks in return for your answers that hopefully help me and save my life for I have not been doing too well lately.

I don't know ... I guess it's the hope and aim and perseverance, despite what might happen that has me in forward motion. At the moment, I'm underground, so I will answer as an atheist. The assurance I have is limited to this life and many of us stick to the path for those we love and care about, which I'm sure varies from person to person. My guess is most of us who give a damn, move forward with future generation in mind.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Grateful acceptance of what got me to this point in life, and humility to accept what's forever beyond my control to do anything about.

If there's no afterlife I've surrendered to that possibility. I can still live with principles, virtues, and love for all the people in my life, and entertain strangers in a logical way.

After that I choose to defy the eternal abyss of non existence, and defying the brutal nature of existence. If I can make it better for those I love then I have lived a worthwhile life. If I can contribute to the humanity of existence even better.

I'm atheist but live for love and honor. I don't need to care about what rotten, merciless people think and feel. I don't need to care about those who care for nothing but themselves, and their arrogant egos. Those lacking all charitableness, and empathy is not something I need to care about. I do my best to work around them. Superficiality, and cruel judgments I couldn't care less about those kinds.

I'm grateful for all the things I don't need to care about such as bad people I don't need to care about.

I put my heart only where I think and know it's deserved. And if ******** ever get to end my life in any way, I'm nonetheless glad for the life I've had and can appreciate. And if ******** steal from me, I only care about what's truly mine to love.

If everything went to destruction at least I cared for what I deeply felt was right. Live your best life, and no regrets. Follow a good and worthy conscience toward all others. I live my own standards not someone else's and those standards are truly my own.

Where I fail, it's not willful failure of my conscience. So failure is just a learning process, no matter the situation nor circumstances.

If all goes to hell, I'm still fine with myself as I know me to be. Tragedy, and loss is never something I intend for any others nor myself.

And if I'm wrong about some God existing at least I lived my utmost despite everything that worked against me.

I just try to face life on it's terms, as nature and the world give me. Come hell or high water, I live me, not someone else. I have taken to fighting the good fight whatever comes my way. Fight til the end. If defeat happens, at least I fought til the end.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
I have a question for atheists, this is a genuine question, not looking to argue or anything like that. Just want to pick some of your brains and see your mindset on it. So, if god or a creator doesn't exist, and it doesn't dictate the way our life will go, how do you guys (atheists) cope with the tragedies and chaos of life? I assume if you're atheists, you're well aware that this natural world is a dog eat dog world, it is filled with chaos, violence, and mercilessness. You could be walking and drop dead, you could be exercising to better yourself (you need to exercise so that you can be healthy, defend yourself, defend your country, etc) and you can drop dead, any little mistake can cost you your life, literally the smallest margin of mistakes, and lights out. So how do you brave these facts and continue living, somewhat normally? I ask this because I developed panic disorder since a young child. I can't say why for certain, but I believe it has something to do with negative people when I was a kid putting me down and telling me there is no god or purpose and only the abyss and I remember since a child that always put intense fear into me and I still suffer to this day from debilitating panic attacks, I've had to be sedated on antidepressants for years now and have almost died multiple times from panic attacks when I attempted to get off and years later the panic attacks come back with a vengeance. So I guess my question is, how do you be brave and live life like a champ, if you have no crutch to stand on knowing that you could die in your sleep and there would be nothing to save you, or you could be enjoying a workout then next minute you're dead and later in the day you're cut open on a metal slab? Or that you can lose your minds and just start panicking and then you die? What gives you the courage to continue living? Do you just trust that you are a product of natural selection and it's not in your genes to panic? Do you just trust in your own body to keep itself upright and living no matter the stress? Thanks in return for your answers that hopefully help me and save my life for I have not been doing too well lately.

"Death, therefore, the most awful of evils, is nothing to us, seeing that, when we are, death is not come, and, when death is come, we are not. It is nothing, then, either to the living or to the dead, for with the living it is not and the dead exist no longer." - Epicurus
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I assume if you're atheists, you're well aware that this natural world is a dog eat dog world, it is filled with chaos, violence, and mercilessness.
Wrong assumption. Most of nature is well-ordered, and even the chaotic, like the weather, can be calculated to a degree.
violence /vī′ə-ləns/

noun​

  1. Behavior or treatment in which physical force is exerted for the purpose of causing damage or injury.
    "the violence of the rioters."
  2. Intense force or great power, as in natural phenomena.
    "the violence of a tornado."
There is no violence of the first kind in nature, and I can prepare for the second.
And I don't seek mercy from unconscious forces, I get that from my fellow apes.

On the other hand, if there was an omnipotent, sapient entity, there would be no order in the universe, the entity could break the laws of nature on a whim. The violence of a tornado would still be the same, but it would be premeditated, and even so that entity could be merciful, it isn't.

The world is a much better place without gods.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I have a question for atheists, this is a genuine question, not looking to argue or anything like that. Just want to pick some of your brains and see your mindset on it. So, if god or a creator doesn't exist, and it doesn't dictate the way our life will go, how do you guys (atheists) cope with the tragedies and chaos of life?
More agnostic atheist here, but acceptance is mainly what happens - as to life being a mix of many things - and the more one studies both human life and non-human life then the more it becomes clear as to this. And as to how human life is so often reflected in other species.
I assume if you're atheists, you're well aware that this natural world is a dog eat dog world, it is filled with chaos, violence, and mercilessness. You could be walking and drop dead, you could be exercising to better yourself (you need to exercise so that you can be healthy, defend yourself, defend your country, etc) and you can drop dead, any little mistake can cost you your life, literally the smallest margin of mistakes, and lights out. So how do you brave these facts and continue living, somewhat normally?
As mentioned, life is often a mix of various things, and for some it can mainly be on the negative side, but for most this is unlikely. The dog-eat-dog notion is really a fallacy, and mostly only applies to non-humans - predators and predated. We humans have built civilisations to make life more profitable (in the sense of being worthwhile, for the majority) although, being human, we still have our tendencies towards crime, violence, and warfare. But, often what occurs is blown out of proportion by the media. Every killing often tends to be projected onto a group or country or belief system, when such is often simply the behaviour of an individual. The fact that overall crime has diminished over the last several decades tends to show this. Developing a rational system of thinking rather than letting one's emotions take over is one way to help over all the negative aspects in life, and having some courage to face bad things - admitting that life is often this way - tends to get me through.
I ask this because I developed panic disorder since a young child. I can't say why for certain, but I believe it has something to do with negative people when I was a kid putting me down and telling me there is no god or purpose and only the abyss and I remember since a child that always put intense fear into me and I still suffer to this day from debilitating panic attacks, I've had to be sedated on antidepressants for years now and have almost died multiple times from panic attacks when I attempted to get off and years later the panic attacks come back with a vengeance. So I guess my question is, how do you be brave and live life like a champ, if you have no crutch to stand on knowing that you could die in your sleep and there would be nothing to save you, or you could be enjoying a workout then next minute you're dead and later in the day you're cut open on a metal slab? Or that you can lose your minds and just start panicking and then you die? What gives you the courage to continue living? Do you just trust that you are a product of natural selection and it's not in your genes to panic? Do you just trust in your own body to keep itself upright and living no matter the stress? Thanks in return for your answers that hopefully help me and save my life for I have not been doing too well lately.
There are plenty of things that can be enjoyable in life, and these often provide enough to get over the disappointments or bad episodes, and of course having friends usually helps. I've had many friends over my life, with parts when they were absent so they are not essential, and possibly the main thing that has enabled me to still be here (I could have ended it all in times past) is my fortitude - developed from having courage and perseverance. These perhaps coming from many of the risky outdoor activities I did in my youth - caving, rock-climbing, mountaineering, sailing, and cycling, for example. All these require a lot of work or effort, involve risks/dangers (and assessing these properly), and given that I am still here, I appeared to have been successful at them - some better than others.

As to what might happen after death - I don't believe there is anything, hence my acceptance of such (just being an end to existence and which I might not prefer at the time), and perhaps taking risks in life might have helped here. I know I could be wrong, but if I have anything to worry about (Destined for Hell, for example) then it is just the way my life has turned out, and where much of the time I couldn't have done much differently - given we are human and all tend to have flaws.

From what I know about humans, and the rest of existence, life seems quite possible without the existence of some God, hence why I am not religious, and especially so when I see so much division and conflict between many religious beliefs - apart from the other negative effects of some of these in my view.
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
I have a question for atheists, this is a genuine question, not looking to argue or anything like that. Just want to pick some of your brains and see your mindset on it. So, if god or a creator doesn't exist, and it doesn't dictate the way our life will go, how do you guys (atheists) cope with the tragedies and chaos of life? I assume if you're atheists, you're well aware that this natural world is a dog eat dog world, it is filled with chaos, violence, and mercilessness. You could be walking and drop dead, you could be exercising to better yourself (you need to exercise so that you can be healthy, defend yourself, defend your country, etc) and you can drop dead, any little mistake can cost you your life, literally the smallest margin of mistakes, and lights out. So how do you brave these facts and continue living, somewhat normally? I ask this because I developed panic disorder since a young child. I can't say why for certain, but I believe it has something to do with negative people when I was a kid putting me down and telling me there is no god or purpose and only the abyss and I remember since a child that always put intense fear into me and I still suffer to this day from debilitating panic attacks, I've had to be sedated on antidepressants for years now and have almost died multiple times from panic attacks when I attempted to get off and years later the panic attacks come back with a vengeance. So I guess my question is, how do you be brave and live life like a champ, if you have no crutch to stand on knowing that you could die in your sleep and there would be nothing to save you, or you could be enjoying a workout then next minute you're dead and later in the day you're cut open on a metal slab? Or that you can lose your minds and just start panicking and then you die? What gives you the courage to continue living? Do you just trust that you are a product of natural selection and it's not in your genes to panic? Do you just trust in your own body to keep itself upright and living no matter the stress? Thanks in return for your answers that hopefully help me and save my life for I have not been doing too well lately.
Firstly, for about the first 15-years of my life, I was a believer. Then I spent about 10-years being agnostic before becoming a committed atheist. I am now about 6-months off being 70, so nearing my life's end.

I look at life like this ... I am lucky, so lucky, to be alive. Yes, there are some horrible things happening in the natural and political world, I can do little about most of them. I take great joy from my family and friends. I have metal knees, given to me by a skilled surgeon, natural selection meant that arthritis is prevalent in my genes.
I'm not looking forward to my life ending but suspect my body will start telling me it is finished and hopefully I die in my sleep, in little or no pain. The future is for my children and grandchildren (and beyond) they need me to leave them to get on with it. I am grateful for the life I have had.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm technically not an atheist, but nor am I a theist, so I'm compelled to respond.

With or without belief in God or gods, one can realize that life is a gift. You are living a human life against stupendous odds.


I consider having had the opportunity to live a life, human or otherwise, a privilege not to be squandered.
 

seekingreality

New Member
Wrong assumption. Most of nature is well-ordered, and even the chaotic, like the weather, can be calculated to a degree.

There is no violence of the first kind in nature, and I can prepare for the second.
And I don't seek mercy from unconscious forces, I get that from my fellow apes.

On the other hand, if there was an omnipotent, sapient entity, there would be no order in the universe, the entity could break the laws of nature on a whim. The violence of a tornado would still be the same, but it would be premeditated, and even so that entity could be merciful, it isn't.

The world is a much better place without gods.
There is violence of the first kind in nature, you can see it in history? Groups of people killing other groups of people simply for their being and this isn't a one off occasion.

I agree with you that perhaps, if there is a god, all the power being in it's hands is maybe dangerous factually because like you say, if they decide to become evil then there's nothing anybody can do about it. I also see that there's many benefits to religion.

As for the weather, you can predict it but its never certain, you see what I mean? All we can do is predict but we can never say with certainty which sucks. I guess my issue here is, if god doesn't exist, and this world is just a battle for survival, natural selection, evolution, then your fate is literally just what you're born with. You're either born to win and survive and reproduce, or you're behind more evolved people at which point what reason even is there for you to continue living if you're so far behind?
 

seekingreality

New Member
I'm technically not an atheist, but nor am I a theist, so I'm compelled to respond.

With or without belief in God or gods, one can realize that life is a gift. You are living a human life against stupendous odds.


I consider having had the opportunity to live a life, human or otherwise, a privilege not to be squandered.
That is very true. Life is something to be grateful for if you can be, it is a gift you could say in a way even with all the baggage it comes with, I guess I'm just a glass half empty kind of guy, because I dwell on the negatives, which to me atleast there seems to be more than the positives. It is so hard to come to be alive and stay alive yet it is so easy to die and be eternally in the void. We unfathomably know alot less than more. The world fights and builds weapons instead of trying to figure out the truth of life. I guess this is just something I'll have to take with me to my grave.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I have a question for atheists, this is a genuine question, not looking to argue or anything like that. Just want to pick some of your brains and see your mindset on it. So, if god or a creator doesn't exist, and it doesn't dictate the way our life will go, how do you guys (atheists) cope with the tragedies and chaos of life?

I try to be rational.

I don't know that it is any different from how a theist would cope. It is not obvious to me that believing in deities' existence would make any real difference, nor that it should make any constructive difference.


I assume if you're atheists, you're well aware that this natural world is a dog eat dog world, it is filled with chaos, violence, and mercilessness.

It often is. Not always.

And again, it is not clear that the world would somehow change if I were a believer.


You could be walking and drop dead, you could be exercising to better yourself (you need to exercise so that you can be healthy, defend yourself, defend your country, etc) and you can drop dead, any little mistake can cost you your life, literally the smallest margin of mistakes, and lights out. So how do you brave these facts and continue living, somewhat normally?

Because it is normal. It is the world we exist in.


I ask this because I developed panic disorder since a young child. I can't say why for certain, but I believe it has something to do with negative people when I was a kid putting me down and telling me there is no god or purpose and only the abyss and I remember since a child that always put intense fear into me and I still suffer to this day from debilitating panic attacks, I've had to be sedated on antidepressants for years now and have almost died multiple times from panic attacks when I attempted to get off and years later the panic attacks come back with a vengeance.

I hope you find health and relief for your troubles.


So I guess my question is, how do you be brave and live life like a champ, if you have no crutch to stand on knowing that you could die in your sleep and there would be nothing to save you, or you could be enjoying a workout then next minute you're dead and later in the day you're cut open on a metal slab?

It is very hard to know what I could say that would be redundant to what you know and perceive and what would not.

My best answer right now is that it is not nearly as much a matter of bravery as it is one of awareness and lucidity. I do not have to fear once I realize that there was never a good reason to expect certainty to begin with.


Or that you can lose your minds and just start panicking and then you die? What gives you the courage to continue living? Do you just trust that you are a product of natural selection and it's not in your genes to panic?

I do not trust that either. I have fairly good reason to doubt that.

But it is no big deal. In a sense, I can't afford to make a big deal of that.


Do you just trust in your own body to keep itself upright and living no matter the stress? Thanks in return for your answers that hopefully help me and save my life for I have not been doing too well lately.

I guess I am just at peace with my own mortality, which was never really in doubt.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
@seekingreality , are you willing to learn of specific advice from a lifelong atheist (me) on what could possibly bring some form of relief to you?

I feel that I have to ask, because from what you say it appears that at some point you were mistreated with some form of, for lack of a better expression, "atheistic abuse".

I honestly have a hard time understanding that - I suppose it involves some form of emotional abuse when you were vulnerable - but it is not my place to doubt you, and it is only logical to assume that you are reluctant to listen to the advice from atheists now.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I have a question for atheists, this is a genuine question, not looking to argue or anything like that. Just want to pick some of your brains and see your mindset on it. So, if god or a creator doesn't exist, and it doesn't dictate the way our life will go, how do you guys (atheists) cope with the tragedies and chaos of life? I assume if you're atheists, you're well aware that this natural world is a dog eat dog world, it is filled with chaos, violence, and mercilessness. You could be walking and drop dead, you could be exercising to better yourself (you need to exercise so that you can be healthy, defend yourself, defend your country, etc) and you can drop dead, any little mistake can cost you your life, literally the smallest margin of mistakes, and lights out. So how do you brave these facts and continue living, somewhat normally?

I'm not sure why you directed this at atheists specifically. The world definitely has tragedy in it... that's the same for anyone.

I see more opportunity for hope in looking at these tragedies as problems that might one day be solved. I don't really see how theists - or at least classical monotheists - find hope when their beliefs suggest that things have been made according to the will of an all-powerful being. Cancer, say, is a tough enough of a technical problem without adding into the mix the idea that cancer was created and is sustained by magical forces that we have no possibility of overcoming.

... but back to your question: how do we cope? Personally, I don't focus too much on things I can't change.

Yes, we're all going to die, but is there any option available to us where we don't die? If there isn't, then death is a sunk cost... and it's irrational to base our decisions on sunk costs.
 

seekingreality

New Member
@seekingreality , are you willing to learn of specific advice from a lifelong atheist (me) on what could possibly bring some form of relief to you?

I feel that I have to ask, because from what you say it appears that at some point you were mistreated with some form of, for lack of a better expression, "atheistic abuse".

I honestly have a hard time understanding that - I suppose it involves some form of emotional abuse when you were vulnerable - but it is not my place to doubt you, and it is only logical to assume that you are reluctant to listen to the advice from atheists now.
Sure, I'm willing to listen to what you have to say, any tips or advice I'm open to
 

seekingreality

New Member
I'm not sure why you directed this at atheists specifically. The world definitely has tragedy in it... that's the same for anyone.

I see more opportunity for hope in looking at these tragedies as problems that might one day be solved. I don't really see how theists - or at least classical monotheists - find hope when their beliefs suggest that things have been made according to the will of an all-powerful being. Cancer, say, is a tough enough of a technical problem without adding into the mix the idea that cancer was created and is sustained by magical forces that we have no possibility of overcoming.

... but back to your question: how do we cope? Personally, I don't focus too much on things I can't change.

Yes, we're all going to die, but is there any option available to us where we don't die? If there isn't, then death is a sunk cost... and it's irrational to base our decisions on sunk costs.
Imo, I see religious people, or rather, people that have a lot of faith suffer alot less from tragedy and negativity. I kind of envy their faith because it seems to carry them gracefully through life and helps them achieve great things. I guess for them, when something bad happens, they attribute it to there being a reason for everything to happen. It's alot easier to accept things when you believe there's a reason behind them, for example they may think that god wanted that person to "come home" or that they did whatever they needed to do on the planet and they no longer need to be here. For me, I just feel like, well they couldn't hack it, they just died, and I hate that I think like that because it's kind of an ahole way of thinking, and just as that person died, I could easily be the same person. Just as you were I assume born in a first world country with alot of privilege, you could've easily been born a sick starving child in another crap hole struggling to survive. I feel like without god, there's no free will, and we are all victims of nature, we are tied to our genetic capability and coding. Anyways I don't want to start rambling and get off topic. You're right and I'm well aware, no point in fearing what you can't control, but that's the problem with me, I can't control my emotions, or rather, when I try to be in control of everything, I fail miserably.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Sure, I'm willing to listen to what you have to say, any tips or advice I'm open to
I usually recommend making acquaintance and forming a personal opinion on either Samatha, Vipassana and/or Zazen practice.

They are very similar to each other and all three involve training the mind to be both aware of what is happening around us and at peace with the realization that much of what seems urgent and afflictive is best dealt with by having a clear, undisturbed mind.

Ultimately, you are the only sensible judge of what serves you and what does not.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
.. how do you be brave and live life like a champ, if you have no crutch to stand on knowing that you could die in your sleep and there would be nothing to save you, or you could be enjoying a workout then next minute you're dead and later in the day you're cut open on a metal slab? Or that you can lose your minds and just start panicking and then you die? What gives you the courage to continue living? Do you just trust that you are a product of natural selection and it's not in your genes to panic? Do you just trust in your own body to keep itself upright and living no matter the stress? Thanks in return for your answers that hopefully help me and save my life for I have not been doing too well lately.
I take life as it comes, I do not try to be brave. Yeah, sure, I could die in sleep, so what? Everyone has to die at some time or the other. Yeah, there is no saving from death, it is a natural process. Ever-lasting life is religious shenanigan. Whether they take out parts of my body out or put me on a table for medical students to dissect, how does it affect me after I am dead? I am no more there. Sure, there are people who would panic, but does that help them? While I live I enjoy things that I love. Food, family, etc. (there may come times when I will not be able to enjoy, those things). That is happening to my brother, who was the strongest in our family. Today, he lies nearly comatose, gets fed through tubes attached to the stomach, etc. (That is when we need euthanasia, it is now permissible in India, but has to be declared in advance). Yeah, I am a product of natural selection and other DNA processes. Panic is not written in DNA. There may be situations in which we may panic, but we have to consciously restrict that and think wisely in such situations. In panic, one may not make the correct decisions. I try to keep myself upright in body and mind.
Power of the will, friend; 'don't think, don't say and don't accept defeat'. In Sanskrit:

"Mā vicintaya, mā bruhi, māngikuru parābhavam." (This is the best of my lines and not from some scripture)
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Imo, I see religious people, or rather, people that have a lot of faith suffer alot less from tragedy and negativity. I kind of envy their faith because it seems to carry them gracefully through life and helps them achieve great things. I guess for them, when something bad happens, they attribute it to there being a reason for everything to happen. It's alot easier to accept things when you believe there's a reason behind them, for example they may think that god wanted that person to "come home" or that they did whatever they needed to do on the planet and they no longer need to be here.

I've seen more of the opposite.

My father died of cancer a few months after his diagnosis. I noticed that it was much harder for my (now ex-) wife than me: not only did she have to deal with grief like I did, but she also had to grapple with the idea that what my dad went through was part of "God's holy plan." She also interpreted her grief as lack of trust and faith in God, so she also got a layer of guilt on top of everything else.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
It is also my experience that god-belief (not quite what I personally call religiosity) is hardly of any help in dealing with existential angst and fear of mortality.

If anything, the opposite happens.
 
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