Question about the Quran

[MSizer]

Hey, this is addressed to anyone who can answer correctly (it's not opinion based). I've heard a few times Muslims say that they believe the Quran is divinely inspired because it contains predictions about the world that the prophet could not possibly have made on his own. Can somebody give me some examples please? One example I heard was that he stated that the solar bodies are not fixed, but that they are dynamic. I think many people could have guessed that and been right just by chance. If I know the Quran contained many such examples, I'd agree it's worth considering the plausibility, so anyone who knows of other examples, please let me know.

:help:
Thanks.
M.

 

[Princess Of Peace]

Even as a Muslim I wasn't convinced by the Quran science claims, and I've come across other Mulims who would agree. Zakir Naik is one of the main guys that makes claims about the Quran having scientific miracle, so you might want to check out some of his lectures on YouTube.

 

[Fatihah]

Hey, this is addressed to anyone who can answer correctly (it's not opinion based). I've heard a few times Muslims say that they believe the Quran is divinely inspired because it contains predictions about the world that the prophet could not possibly have made on his own. Can somebody give me some examples please? One example I heard was that he stated that the solar bodies are not fixed, but that they are dynamic. I think many people could have guessed that and been right just by chance. If I know the Quran contained many such examples, I'd agree it's worth considering the plausibility, so anyone who knows of other examples, please let me know.

:help:
Thanks.
M.

Response: Perhaps you are referring to what we muslims call the "scientific miracles." In the qur'an, there are verses revealed to Muhammad(pbuh) about the universe and earth which was only recently discovered by scientists today due to the advanced technology of today. However, there was no advanced technology 1400+ years ago for Muhammad(pbuh) to have known some of the things mentioned in the qur'an which makes it a miracle. One example is:

"And He it is Who has caused the two seas to flow, this palatable and sweet, and that salt and bitter; and between them He has placed a barrier and an insurmountable partition."(Ch. 25:53)

Today, we know that when the two bodies of water meet,(the salt and the sweet), neither bodies of water loses its salinity in the process due to surface tension. This has been discovered recently through advanced science. However, how did an illiterate man in the desert 1400 years ago know this? Where did he get such knowledge from? The knowledge had to come from none other than Allah(swt), the creator and originator of the universe and life itself.

 

[MSizer]

Hmmm, I appreciate the answer Fatihah, but I think it's wrong though. Water salinities do combine. That's what brackish water is - a combination of salt and fresh water, usually found in estuaries. I'm not trying to shoot you down, I appreciate the info (it's exactly an answer to what I was asking), but I don't see how the verse is a correct one. Furthermore, if it were true that water of different salinities did not mix, it would have been true 1400 years ago, and there are both salt and freshwater bodies in the middle east, so I don't see why it's so difficult to believe he would have known this (incorrect) fact. I realize this is not supposed to be a debate area, so I guess I'm pushing the envelope here. No disrespect intended.

 

[Fatihah]

Hmmm, I appreciate the answer Fatihah, but I think it's wrong though. Water salinities do combine. That's what brackish water is - a combination of salt and fresh water, usually found in estuaries. I'm not trying to shoot you down, I appreciate the info (it's exactly an answer to what I was asking), but I don't see how the verse is a correct one. Furthermore, if it were true that water of different salinities did not mix, it would have been true 1400 years ago, and there are both salt and freshwater bodies in the middle east, so I don't see why it's so difficult to believe he would have known this (incorrect) fact. I realize this is not supposed to be a debate area, so I guess I'm pushing the envelope here. No disrespect intended.

Response: None taken. Yes, it is true that the salinity did not mix 1400 years ago as well but it was only recently discovered through andvanced technology and science of today that did not exists 1400 years ago, making it a miracle.

Surely, one can simply say that this is untrue. But saying so is not actual proof that it is so.

 

[musamiah]

1) Crescent moon as the standard to be used for reckoning of time:
"They ask you about the waxing and waning phases of the crescent moons, say they are to mark fixed times for mankind and Hajj." (2:189)
2) Moon is not my Lord:
"When he saw the moon rising in splendor He said: "This is my Lord." but when the moon set he said: Unless my Lord guide me I shall surely be among those who go astray." (6:77)
3) Sun and Moon to be used for reckoning of time:
"And He who made the night for rest and sun and moon for reckoning of time. This is the decree of the Exalted, the All-knowing." (6:96)
4) Sun, moon, and the stars governed by laws:
"Allah is He, who created the sun, the moon, and the stars (all) governed by laws under His commandment." (7:54)
5) Moon is the measure of month:
"The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (in a year) so ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are sacred; that is the straight usage.......Verily the transposing (of a prohibited month) is an addition to unbelief: the unbelievers are led to wrong thereby: for they make it lawful one year and forbidden another year in order to adjust the number of months forbidden by Allah and make such forbidden ones lawful. The evil of their course seems pleasing to them. But Allah guideth not those who reject faith." (9:36-37)
6) Sun is source of light and Moon is just light:
"It is He who made sun a lamp, and moon a light and measured stages so you know number of years and count (of time)." (10:5)
7) Joseph's Dream:
"Behold Joseph said to his father: O my father! I did see eleven stars and the sun and the moon: I saw them prostrate themselves to me!"
8) Sun and moon continue in an orbit to their destiny:
"Allah is He who raised heavens without pillars that you can see; Then He established Himself on the throne; And He subjected the sun and the moon (to his law); each one runs its course for a term appointed." (13:2)
9) Allah created Sun and moon, and He made them subject to you:
"It is Allah Who hath created the heavens and the earth and sendeth down rain from the skies......... He has made subject to you, the night and the day; the sun and the moon; and the stars in subjection by His command." (14:32-33)
10) Day and night, sun and moon, and stars made for you:
"He has made subject to you, the night and the day; the sun and the moon; and the stars in subjection by His command." (16:12)
11) Sun bright - Moon dark (no light):
"We made night and day two signs. The sign of night we made dark and sign of day we made bright. That ye may seek bounty from your lord and ye may know number of years and count (of time)." (17:12)
12) Orbits of celestial bodies:
"It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its orbit." (21:33)
13) All things bow down to Allah:
"See you not that to Allah bow down in worship all things in the heavens and on earth, the sun, the moon, the stars." (22:18)
14) Moon is reflected light of the sun:
"Blessed is He who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a lamp and a moon reflecting light (25:61)
15) Sun and moon are subjected to Allah's laws
If indeed thou asl them Who has created the heavens and the earth and subjected (to His Law), they will certainly reply, "Allah". How are they then deluded away (from the truth)? (29:61)
16) Sun and moon continue in an orbit to their destiny:
"See you not Allah merges night into day and day into night; And subjected the sun and the moon (to His Law); each one runs its course for a term appointed." (31:29)
17) Sun and moon continue in an orbit to their destiny:
"He merges night into day and day into night; And subjected the sun and the moon (to His Law); each one runs its course for a term appointed." (35:13)
18) Ordained orbits of celestial bodies:
"And the moon, we have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she returns like the old, (withered, and curved-up like a sickle) date-palm. It is not permitted for sun to catch-up the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day; each swims along in (its own) orbit." (36:39-40)
19) Sun and moon continue in an orbit to their destiny:
"He created heavens and the earth in true proportions; He makes night overlap day and day overlap night and subjected the sun and the moon (to His Law); each one runs its course for a term appointed." (39:5)
20) Do not Prostrate to the Sun and Moon:
"Among His Signs are the Night and the Day and the sun and moon. Prostrate not to the Sun and the Moon but Prostrate to Allah Who created them if it is Him ye wish to serve." (41:37)
21) Moon is split asunder:
"The hour (of Judgment) is near and the moon is split asunder." (54:1)
22) Celestial bodies tied to orbits:
"The sun and the moon follow courses exactly computed." (55:05)
23) Sun is source of light and Moon is just light:
"And made the moon a light in their midst and made the sun as a (Glorious) lamp." (71:16)
24) Swear by the Moon:
"Nay verily: by the Moon." (74:32)
25) Signs of Qiyamah (Judgment Day):
"And the moon is buried in darkness. And the sun and moon are joined together." (75:8-9)
26) Moon becomes full:
"And the moon when it becomes full." (84:18)
27) Moon follows the sun:
"By the sun and its radiant brightness; By the moon as she follows him." (91:1-2)
What the Qur'an says about Astronomy

1) Big Bang - Creation of the heavens and earth:
"To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth; when He decrees a matter He said to it: "Be"; and it is." (2:117)
2) Stars are fixed to guide the travelers in the land and the sea:
"And it is He who ordained the stars for you that you may be guided thereby in the darkness of the land and the sea." (6:97)
3) Judgment Day:
"One day the Earth will be changed to a different Earth and so will be the Heavens and (men) will be marshalled forth before Allah the One the Irresistible." (14:48)
4) Constellations:
"And verily in the skies We have set constellations and beautified it for beholders." (15:16)
5) Stars and other signs to be used for directions:
"And marks and sign-posts and by the stars, (men) guide themselves." (16:16)
6) Creation of Mankind and Heavens By Allah:
"See they not that Allah Who created the heavens and the earth has power to create the like of them (anew)?...." (17:99)
7) Big Bang:
"Don't the Unbelievers see that the universe was once joined together, then We burst it apart. We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe." (21:30)
8) Sun Moon Stars subjected to His Law:
"If indeed thou ask them who has created the heavens and the earth and subjected the sun and the moon (to His Law); they will certainly reply Allah." (29:61)
9) Sun is moving:
"And the sun runs towards its destination (resting place) ...." (36:38)
10) Gaseous state of universe:
"Then He turned to the sky when it had been gas and said to it and the earth, condense willingly or unwillingly. And they said, "We condensed willingly." (41:11)
11) Creation of the heavens and earth, not mere idle play:
"We have not created the heaven and the earth and all that is between them in mere idle play. None of this have We created without an inner truth: but most of them understand it not." (44:38-39)
12) Expansion of the universe:
"And the universe, we constructed with power and skill and verily we are expanding it." (51:47)

13) Sirius (the Mighty Star):
"And He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star)" (53:49)
14) Space flight:
"O assembly of Jinns and men when you can penetrate regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! Not without power (or authority) will you be able to pass." (55:33)
15) Other galaxies:
"God is the One Who created seven heavens and of the earth a similar number. The command descends upon them so that you know that God has power over all things and comprehends all things in His knowledge." (65:12)
16) Seven Heavens, Stars, and the skies:
"He Who created the seven heavens, one above another: No want of proportion will you see in the creation of Most Gracious, so turn your face again; Do you see any flaw ....... And We have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps ...." (67:3-5)
17) Seven Heavens:
"See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another." (71:15)
18) Signs of Qiyamah (Judgment Day):
"When the stars are put out and when the sky is cleft asunder." (77:8-9)
19) Seven Heavens and the Sun:
"We have built above you seven strong (heavens) and placed a blazing lamp." (78:12-13)
20) Creation of Mankind and Heavens By Allah:
What! are ye the more difficult to create, Or the heaven (above)? (Allah) has constructed it; On high has He raised its canopy and He has given it order and perfection; Its night does He endow with darkness and its splendor does He bring out (with light). (79:27-29)
21) Signs of Qiyamah (Judgment Day):
"When the sun is folded up and when the stars loose their lustre." (81:1-2)
22) Planets (Retrograde Motion):
"So verily I call to witness the planets that recede." (81:15)
23) Signs of Qiyamah (Judgment Day):
"When the sky is cleft asunder and the planets are scattered and the oceans are forced to join." (82:1-3)
24) Signs of Qiyamah (Judgment Day):
"When the sky is split asunder and attentive to her lord, and it must do so." (84:1-2)
25) Constellations:
"Consider the sky full of great constellations." (85:1)
26) Moon, Stars, and Planets:
"By the sky and the night-visitant; and what do you know what the night-visitant is? It is the star of piercing brightness." (86:1-3)
27) Sky Raised High:
"And at the Sky how it is raised high?" (88:18)

 

[MSizer]

Um, nice lazy cut and paste of someone else's misinformed pseudoscience. If that's proof to you, no wonder you believe someone rode a winged horse overnight to mecca or jerusalem or wherever it was supposed to have been.

 

[nour1]

Ascension is mentionned in the bible as well as in the thora also for HENOCH , JACOB , i m asking myself why when it is for Mohammed(pbuh) people are making it doubtfull ? is it because he is Ismael descendant or anything else .could you please answer me this question with all my respect

 

[MSizer]

Ascension is mentionned in the bible as well as in the thora also for HENOCH , JACOB , i m asking myself why when it is for Mohammed(pbuh) people are making it doubtfull ? is it because he is Ismael descendant or anything else .could you please answer me this question with all my respect

Because ascension is nothing but a fairy tale no matter who the story is about - Mohamed, Jesus or anybody else.

 

[islam means peace]

Hey, this is addressed to anyone who can answer correctly (it's not opinion based). I've heard a few times Muslims say that they believe the Quran is divinely inspired because it contains predictions about the world that the prophet could not possibly have made on his own. Can somebody give me some examples please? One example I heard was that he stated that the solar bodies are not fixed, but that they are dynamic. I think many people could have guessed that and been right just by chance. If I know the Quran contained many such examples, I'd agree it's worth considering the plausibility, so anyone who knows of other examples, please let me know.

:help:
Thanks.
M.

I will try to give some examples , then i will point your attention toward a e-book (its free) which contains many examples you demand, so you have better understanding.

Holy Quran says

“This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs”
(Quran 10:92)

This ayat(verse) is about Pharoh ,How can a book existed 1400 years ago speak about the mummy that was only found 200 years ago, in 1898?

Consider the following Qur’aanic verse: “And before Solomon were
marshaled His hosts – of Jinns and men And birds, and they were all
Kept in order and ranks. “At length, when they came To a (lowly) valley
of ants, One of the ants said: ‘O ye ants, get into Your habitations, lest
Solomon And his hosts crush you (Under foot) without knowing it.’” [Al-
Qur’aan 27:17-18]

In the past, some people would have probably mocked at the Qur’aan, taking
it to be a fairy tale book in which ants talk to each other and communicate
sophisticated messages. In recent times, research has shown us several facts
about the lifestyle of ants, which were not known earlier to humankind.
Research has shown that the animals or insects whose lifestyle is closest in
resemblance to the lifestyle of human beings are the ants. This can be seen
from the following findings regarding ants:

(a) The ants bury their dead in a manner similar to the humans.
(b) They have a sophisticated system of division of labour, whereby they
have managers, supervisors, foremen, workers, etc.
(c) Once in a while they meet among themselves to have a ‘chat’.
(d) They have an advanced method of communication among themselves.
(e) They hold regular markets wherein they exchange goods.
(f) They store grains for long periods in winter and if the grain begins to
bud, they cut the roots, as if they understand that if they leave it to
grow, it will rot. If the grains stored by them get wet due to rains, they
take these grains out into the sunlight to dry, and once these are dry,
they take them back inside as though they know that humidity will
cause development of root systems and thereafter rotting of the grain.

Now , will recommend you to please downlad the e-book , which contains many examples like

CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE: ‘THE BIG BANG’
THE SPHERICAL SHAPE OF THE EARTH
THE SUN ROTATES
THE SUN WILL EXTINGUISH AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD
THE PRESENCE OF INTERSTELLAR MATTER
THE EXPANDING UNIVERSE
THE WATER CYCLE
MOUNTAINS ARE LIKE PEGS (STAKES)
DARKNESS IN THE DEPTHS OF THE OCEAN
EVERY LIVING THING IS MADE OF WATER
EVERYTHING MADE IN PAIRS
HONEY HAS HEALING PROPERTIES
BLOOD CIRCULATION AND THE PRODUCTION OF MILK
FOETUS PROTECTED BY THREE VEILS OF DARKNESS
PAIN RECEPTORS PRESENT IN THE SKIN and many more

Please download the book from Here. http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

 

[MSizer]

I find those as convincing as this

 

[Saifaljaidi]

Um, nice lazy cut and paste of someone else's misinformed pseudoscience. If that's proof to you, no wonder you believe someone rode a winged horse overnight to mecca or jerusalem or wherever it was supposed to have been.

Well, the guy above dosent know what the thread is about. Lets see.
I wount be giving you the verses, since i donot remember them. but ill be stating what they say . If u want i can find them for u though.

The Quran mentions the moon having reflected light from the sun. Quiet impossible to know that 1400 years ago.

Salt water and fresh water having a barrier between them.

Every living creature made of water. In the deserts of arabia, who would have known that?

Mountains stabalizing the earth. Well not exactly but they direct the earthquakes to themselves. You feel me? Like doctors do to the sick? Has been proven by modern geology. Written in the Quran 1400 years ago.

The Big band, proven fact. Written in the Quran. The guy above quoted the wrong line.

Many more. Awaiting your answer.