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Question for Christians about a verse...

UnityNow101

Well-Known Member
"12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of My God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the Name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of Heaven from My God: and I will write upon him My New Name."~Revelation 3:12

I am just curious as to how Christians interpret this verse as it pertains to Jesus' comment about His "new name"? It has been something that I have often wondered about and never get a straight answer out of anyone. Thanks..
 

lunamoth

Will to love
I believe this reference in Revelation is supposed to call to mind this passage from Isaiah concerning the New Zion, and the imagry of the bride (Jerusalem) and bridegroom (the LORD) and the bride taking on her new name.


Isaiah 62 said:
1 For Zion's sake I will not keep silent,
for Jerusalem's sake I will not remain quiet,
till her righteousness shines out like the dawn,
her salvation like a blazing torch.

2 The nations will see your righteousness,
and all kings your glory;
you will be called by a new name
that the mouth of the LORD will bestow.

3 You will be a crown of splendor in the LORD's hand,
a royal diadem in the hand of your God.

4 No longer will they call you Deserted,
or name your land Desolate.
But you will be called Hephzibah, [a]
and your land Beulah [b] ;
for the LORD will take delight in you,
and your land will be married.

5 As a young man marries a maiden,
so will your sons [c] marry you;
as a bridegroom rejoices over his bride,
so will your God rejoice over you.

6 I have posted watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem;
they will never be silent day or night.
You who call on the LORD,
give yourselves no rest,

7 and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem
and makes her the praise of the earth.

8 The LORD has sworn by his right hand
and by his mighty arm:
"Never again will I give your grain
as food for your enemies,
and never again will foreigners drink the new wine
for which you have toiled;

9 but those who harvest it will eat it
and praise the LORD,
and those who gather the grapes will drink it
in the courts of my sanctuary."

10 Pass through, pass through the gates!
Prepare the way for the people.
Build up, build up the highway!
Remove the stones.
Raise a banner for the nations.

11 The LORD has made proclamation
to the ends of the earth:
"Say to the Daughter of Zion,
'See, your Savior comes!
See, his reward is with him,
and his recompense accompanies him.' "

12 They will be called the Holy People,
the Redeemed of the LORD;
and you will be called Sought After,
the City No Longer Deserted.

  1. Isaiah 62:4 Hephzibah means my delight is in her .
  2. Isaiah 62:4 Beulah means married .
Also, taking on a new name is a symbol of transformation and alludes to the event in Genesis when Jacob struggles with the LORD and overcomes.

Genesis 32 said:
Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, [ Israel means he struggles with God . ] because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."

In the passage from Revelation it even directly refers to this idea: "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of My God,"

Hope this helps.

luna
 

PHOTOTAKER

Well-Known Member
i haven't realy study revalation that much, i perfer Isaiah, easyer to understand ;) ... i like this comitary of isaiah 62-64 its about 30 min long and i thank it's worth it!!!

link here!!
 

PHOTOTAKER

Well-Known Member
also that verse may refer to Isaiah 2:2-3
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us ago up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the flaw, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

moutain is the same as temple for even Moses went up to the top of the moutains to commune with God, i belive that it is in this temple that the Lord will have his thorn and his words and his teaching wil go forth into the whole of the world!!!
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
Well, as you obviously know, Unitynow, those Christians who are also Baha'is see this verse (as well as Revelation 2:17 and Isaiah 62:2 as prophesying the coming of the One Christ promised, specifically, Baha'u'llah, the Founder of the Baha'i Faith (Baha'u'llah means "Glory of the Lord" or "Glory of God").

Best,

Bruce
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
There is a lengthy and tortuous explanation here:-http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teaching/Book_of_Revelation/commentary/htm/chapters/03.html


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overcomes
See. Who is the Overcomer?

I will make him a pillar in the temple
Some have seen this as an allusion to the pillars in Solomon’s Temple. “The reference here to Solomon is unmistakable. He it was who built the temple, and put in its porch those mysterious pillars ‘Jachin [i.e., He shall establish] and Boaz [i.e., In it is strength ]’ (1K. 7:13-22; 2Chr. 3:17).”85 Others find the analogy flawed in this instance:
To find any allusion here . . . to the two monumental pillars, Jachin and Boaz, which Solomon set up, not in the temple, but in the open vestibule before the temple (1K. 7:21; 2Chr. 3:15, 17), I must say, appears to me quite beside the mark; and if there were any question on this point, the words which follow, “and he shall go no more out,” appear entirely decisive upon this point. These famous pillars were always without the temple; they would therefore have served very ill to set forth the blessedness of the redeemed, who should be always within it.86
The language has much in common with Temple language elsewhere in the NT which is applied to the body of the believer and the presence of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. See Temple of the Believer.
 

writer

Active Member
1 I am just curious as to how Christians interpret this verse as it pertains to Jesus' comment about His "new name"? Thanks
As post 2 points out, this isn't reference to new name for Christ. But His new name for His transformed, overcoming lover. As in 2:17.
A note from the Recovery Version of the Bible, published by Living Stream Ministry, reads:
A name designates a person; a new name designates a transformed person. Every transformed believer, as a white stone, bears a "new name...which no one knows except him who receives it." Such a new name is the interpretation of the experience of the one who has been transformed. Hence, only he himself knows the meaning of that name.
Thanx
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
Bruce:"those Christians who are also Baha'is see this verse (as well as Revelation 2:17 and Isaiah 62:2 as prophesying the coming of the One Christ promised, specifically, Baha'u'llah, the Founder of the Baha'i Faith"

luna:"And we Baha'is who are also Christians know that it refers to the eternal Christ, Who was, is, and will Be."

Me: :slap:
 

lunamoth

Will to love
doppelgänger said:
Bruce:"those Christians who are also Baha'is see this verse (as well as Revelation 2:17 and Isaiah 62:2 as prophesying the coming of the One Christ promised, specifically, Baha'u'llah, the Founder of the Baha'i Faith"

luna:"And we Baha'is who are also Christians know that it refers to the eternal Christ, Who was, is, and will Be."

Me: :slap:

You want a piece 'a me!

luna ----> :tuna: <---- dopp

:D
 

Ronald

Well-Known Member
This is the Elect/Overcomers, only the last line refers to the Messiah.
The Overcommer gets a new name and will never fear expulsion.
RSV. He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my(Messiahs) God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my(Messiahs) God, and the name of the city of my (Messiahs)God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my(Messiahs) God out of heaven, and my own(the Messiah) new name.
Yeshua is speaking to the Churches(the People) keep the faith and the commandments until the end and you will have overcome the world.

Shalom
 

may

Well-Known Member
UnityNow101 said:
"12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of My God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the Name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of Heaven from My God: and I will write upon him My New Name."~Revelation 3:12

I am just curious as to how Christians interpret this verse as it pertains to Jesus' comment about His "new name"? It has been something that I have often wondered about and never get a straight answer out of anyone. Thanks..

Jesus’ new name. This refers to Jesus’ new office and the unique privileges granted to him by Jehovah. (Philippians 2:9-11; Revelation 19:12)
No one else gets to know that name, in the sense that no one else has those experiences or is entrusted with those privileges
However, when Jesus writes his name on his faithful brothers, they come into an intimate relationship with him in that heavenly realm and even share in his privileges. (Luke 22:29, 30) those who are going to heaven (144,000) will be there for good
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
lunamoth said:
And we Baha'is who are also Christians know that it refers to the eternal Christ, Who was, is, and will Be.

Excxept, of course, that this totally ignores the "new name" part of the prophecies cited, which was the whole point of this thread.

Peace,

Bruce
 

lunamoth

Will to love
BruceDLimber said:
Excxept, of course, that this totally ignores the "new name" part of the prophecies cited, which was the whole point of this thread.

Peace,

Bruce

Hi Bruce, Yes, I addressed that in post number 2. Best wishes, luna
 

may

Well-Known Member
Jesus continues, saying: "And I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine." (Revelation 3:12b) Yes, these conquerors have written on them the name of Jehovah—their God and Jesus’ God. This shows clearly that Jehovah and Jesus are two separate persons and not two parts of a triune God, or Trinity. (John 14:28; 20:17
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
BruceDLimber said:
Excxept, of course, that this totally ignores the "new name" part of the prophecies cited, which was the whole point of this thread.

Peace,

Bruce

Does Baha'i look down on evangelizing? What is considered acceptable?
 

writer

Active Member
16 Jesus continues, saying: "And I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine." (Revelation 3:12b) Yes, these conquerors have written on them the name of Jehovah—their God and Jesus’ God. This shows clearly that Jehovah and Jesus are two separate persons and not two parts of a triune God, or Trinity. (John 14:28; 20:17)
To the contrary: John 14:28 doesn't contradict 14:10-11.
"I am going to the Father;" "I am in the Father, the Father is in Me."
Rather: both are true. 2-1. Two who are One. One who is Two.
Nor does 20:17 contradict 8:29.
"I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God;"
"He who sent Me is with Me; He hasn't left Me alone."
Both are true. Two who are One. One who is Two
John 8:17-18; 10:30.
This clearly shows that Jehovah and Jesus are not two separate persons.
But rather Two who are One.
As God is One, Father Son and Spirit
Rev 1:4-8; 22:1
 

may

Well-Known Member
writer said:
16 Jesus continues, saying: "And I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine." (Revelation 3:12b) Yes, these conquerors have written on them the name of Jehovah—their God and Jesus’ God. This shows clearly that Jehovah and Jesus are two separate persons and not two parts of a triune God, or Trinity. (John 14:28; 20:17)
To the contrary: John 14:28 doesn't contradict 14:10-11.
"I am going to the Father;" "I am in the Father, the Father is in Me."
Rather: both are true. 2-1. Two who are One. One who is Two.
Nor does 20:17 contradict 8:29.
"I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God;"
"He who sent Me is with Me; He hasn't left Me alone."
Both are true. Two who are One. One who is Two
John 8:17-18; 10:30.
This clearly shows that Jehovah and Jesus are not two separate persons.
But rather Two who are One.
As God is One, Father Son and Spirit
Rev 1:4-8; 22:1
Jehovah God and his son Jesus christ are in unity of purpose , the same way that Jesus followers are in unity of purpose with them ........... one in unity of purpose does not make them the same
YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. John 14;28
Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to YOU men I do not speak of my own originality; but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works. John 14;10-11
Jesus said to her: "Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR GodJohn 20;17
And he that sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, because I always do the things pleasing to him.John 8;29..................... Jesus was SENT and it was his father Jehovah who sent him.................John 3;16
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.
Also, in YOUR own Law it is written, ‘The witness of two men is true.’ 18 I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.John 8;17-18
I and the Father are one.
Or, "at unity." Lit., "one (thing)." Gr., hen, neuter, to show oneness in cooperation
John 10;30
(John 17:11) "Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are.
(John 17:21) in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth.
(John 7:16) Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me.
(John 8:28) Therefore Jesus said: "When once YOU have lifted up the Son of man, then YOU will know that I am [he], and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me I speak these things.
(John 12:49) because I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak.
 
BruceDLimber said:
Excxept, of course, that this totally ignores the "new name" part of the prophecies cited, which was the whole point of this thread.

Peace,

Bruce
Maybe you didn't catch where she explicitly cross-referenced another Scripture referring to receiving a new name...??
 
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