Question for Christians about Hell. It's disgusting Dogma!

[Spiderman]

I only have a phone so making YouTube's when I have a lot to say is way easier and quicker.

It's just, I am 100% convinced that the traditional Christian (and Muslim) Dogma on hell actually increases sin , disbelief, and loss of faith and prayer life entirely.

I used to despise Churches that refused to preach about Hell and cussed out a guy at a monastery and called him a heretic for rejecting the eternity of hell.

It was terrible for my mental health.

For example, it made me blaspheme and think God is an *** hole for burning my Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, and agnostic friends and relatives in hell for eternity because they didn't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

It made me give up prayer entirely for years because I hated such a God and found his crimes and cruelty more disgusting than Joseph Stalin's or Adolf Hitler.

I met other people that gave up faith and prayer for the same reason. I met a girl who loved her Father dearly and he died an atheist and suicide. That was her reason for having no faith was Christians teaching he's in hell.

So, preaching Hell Dogma is only going to send more people marching into hell, because it causes people to be angry at God, terrified of Religion, or give up prayer entirely for a life of sin.

God can rescue any soul from hell.

I explain a lot more in the YouTube but don't expect you to watch all of it.

Thoughts?

God bless!

 

[Fool]

I only have a phone so making YouTube's when I have a lot to say is way easier and quicker.

It's just, I am 100% convinced that the traditional Christian (and Muslim) Dogma on hell actually increases sin , disbelief, and loss of faith and prayer life entirely.

I used to despise Churches that refused to preach about Hell and cussed out a guy at a monastery and called him a heretic for rejecting the eternity of hell.

It was terrible for my mental health.

For example, it made me blaspheme and think God is an *** hole for burning my Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, and agnostic friends and relatives in hell for eternity because they didn't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

It made me give up prayer entirely for years because I hated such a God and found his crimes and cruelty more disgusting than Joseph Stalin's or Adolf Hitler.

I met other people that gave up faith and prayer for the same reason. I met a girl who loved her Father dearly and he died an atheist and suicide. That was her reason for having no faith was Christians teaching he's in hell.

So, preaching Hell Dogma is only going to send more people marching into hell, because it causes people to be angry at God, terrified of Religion, or give up prayer entirely for a life of sin.

God can rescue any soul from hell.

I explain a lot more in the YouTube but don't expect you to watch all of it.

Thoughts?

God bless!

hell is a state of mind in which the self sees/believes itself is separated from that which it sees as divine/heavenly. in so doing there is a division.


what god hath joined together in the beginning let no one put/tear asunder.


that which is divided against itself will fall

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I'm not even sure the Bible actually teaches an eternal hell. There is a fire that burns out the devil in Revelation. I believe there was also some hyperbolic language to say that that fire doesn't go out, but wouldn't that fire be on the Earth and then there's a new heaven and a new Earth, possibly showing that that fire burns out and the void is replaced with a new heaven and a new Earth?

Maybe the thing about there being an eternal hell was in one of Jesus' parables. But they were parables.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Right on.

 

[Father Heathen]

Not a Christian but here are my thoughts regardless.
If there is a god, they would be a being of pure love and pure logic, therefore anything devoid of reason or compassion cannot be of god. Justice is when the punishment is proportionate to the crime. Thus the notion eternal damnation should be discarded.
If there were such a realm as hell, I imagine it would be a sort of prison or boot camp for souls to face punishmemt in the form of harsh trials and lessons, etc. eventually attaining rehabilitation, atonememt, and redemption.

 

[Spiderman]

I'm not even sure the Bible actually teaches an eternal hell. There is a fire that burns out the devil in Revelation. I believe there was also some hyperbolic language to say that that fire doesn't go out, but wouldn't that fire be on the Earth and then there's a new heaven and a new Earth, possibly showing that that fire burns out and the void is replaced with a new heaven and a new Earth?

Maybe the thing about there being an eternal hell was in one of Jesus' parables. But they were parables.

The book of revelation speaks of eternal torment night and day and Matthew 25 speaks of "eternal punishment".

But Jesus often didn't mean what he said like, " if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out".

And the book of revelation isn't literal.

All I know is if God creates anyone to suffer forever, I cannot love such a God.

I could serve him maybe out of fear but not love. I would find it more noble to fight with him like Jacob did. The name Israel means, "contender with God".

God rewarded and blessed Jacob for fighting him.

I find it noble to fight God if he is being unjust.

Scripture says Jacob fought all night with God and won.

There needs to be more contenders with God imho

 

[Hockeycowboy]

And the book of revelation isn't literal

Yes, much of it is symbolic.

Take the Lake of Fire, in Revelation 20 13-14....death is cast into it. But death is nothing that can be hurt. It just means, that when it's cast into the fire, it will be gone forever; it will be "no more", as Revelation 21 4 says.

All I know is if God creates anyone to suffer forever, ...

He doesn't.

..... I cannot love such a God.

I couldn't, either.

 

[Spiderman]

Consider this: Hitler and Mussolini are probably in Hell.

If so, it doesn't mean everyone who goes there stays there forever and ever and ever!

Wicked people, if they are truly wicked and full of hate already suffer a lot. What good does torturing them nonstop forever accomplish?

Even Jeffry Dahmer and Ted Bundy became Christians before death and repented. If a soul in hell repents, and it is sincere, God should transform them into a new creation and rehabilitate them, not torture them forever.

Joseph Stalin killed roughly twice as many people as Hitler. Stalin also was an atheist who killed countless millions for simply believing in God.

Stalin was unloved and abused as a child. His mother ran away with him from an abusive Father. He went to Seminary and was abused there.

Abused people often become vicious like abused dogs. Why should they suffer forever? I don't want Joseph Stalin in Hell.

Mao killed even more than him and committed genocide against sparrows, and I wouldn't wish eternal torment on him.

Am I more merciful than God?

 

[PureX]

I think you are listening to people who confuse their religious dogma, with God. And as a result, you are confusing religious dogma with God. Once you separate these, you can let the dogma be dogma, and God be God.

 

[Almighty God]

Not a Christian but here are my thoughts regardless.
If there is a god, they would be a being of pure love and pure logic, therefore anything devoid of reason or compassion cannot be of god. Justice is when the punishment is proportionate to the crime. Thus the notion eternal damnation should be discarded.
If there were such a realm as hell, I imagine it would be a sort of prison or boot camp for souls to face punishmemt in the form of harsh trials and lessons, etc. eventually attaining rehabilitation, atonememt, and redemption.

'Love' and 'justice' are subjective concepts.

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

If there is a god, they would be a being of pure love

That is the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.

A 'god' of 'pure love' is one of complete dependence on others, it implies a completely corporeal entity which lacks it's own self-direction and which needs validation in others.
The idea of God loving at all (taken in a literal way) is overall pretty stupid and I don't believe that God literally "loves" anything or anyone, a god that loves is not really God - but rather a created thing, or a polytheistic anthropomorphic deity. Though in our relation to God we could say that those attributes positively apply to our relation with God but not to God itself.

Love is rather a farce, I think, love implies dependence, attraction and need, all of which God is absent of. God is the creator of dependence, attraction and need, God is the creator of love, just as God is the creator of pigs, planets, galaxies and sexual organs. We depend on, are attracted to, and need others, we are the ones who love (and hate, which is another form of love).

 

[stvdv]

So, preaching Hell Dogma is only going to send more people marching into hell,

Churches teach that Hell exists, so it's only Christians that end up in Hell
Those who "march out of Church", also "march out of Hell" option
Unless they are dumb enough to "march into other Hell Religion"

 

[Fool]

I'm not even sure the Bible actually teaches an eternal hell. There is a fire that burns out the devil in Revelation. I believe there was also some hyperbolic language to say that that fire doesn't go out, but wouldn't that fire be on the Earth and then there's a new heaven and a new Earth, possibly showing that that fire burns out and the void is replaced with a new heaven and a new Earth?

Maybe the thing about there being an eternal hell was in one of Jesus' parables. But they were parables.

hell is when self is separated from the beloved. aren't you tired of running from the flames?


go ahead and love with all you might



Love is a fire that burns unseen,
a wound that aches yet isn’t felt,
an always discontent contentment,
a pain that rages without hurting,

a longing for nothing but to long,
a loneliness in the midst of people,
a never feeling pleased when pleased,
a passion that gains when lost in thought.

It’s being enslaved of your own free will;
it’s counting your defeat a victory;
it’s staying loyal to your killer.

But if it’s so self-contradictory,
how can Love, when Love chooses,
bring human hearts into sympathy?

luke 12:49

 

[SomeRandom]

Not a Christian so I have no real horse in this race. Just popping in to say, hi @Spiderman
Long time no see. Hope you’re doing well

 

[osgart]

If so, it doesn't mean everyone who goes there stays there forever and ever and ever!

Wicked people, if they are truly wicked and full of hate already suffer a lot. What good does torturing them nonstop forever accomplish?

Even Jeffry Dahmer and Ted Bundy became Christians before death and repented. If a soul in hell repents, and it is sincere, God should transform them into a new creation and rehabilitate them, not torture them forever.

Joseph Stalin killed roughly twice as many people as Hitler. Stalin also was an atheist who killed countless millions for simply believing in God.

Stalin was unloved and abused as a child. His mother ran away with him from an abusive Father. He went to Seminary and was abused there.

Abused people often become vicious like abused dogs. Why should they suffer forever? I don't want Joseph Stalin in Hell.

Mao killed even more than him and committed genocide against sparrows, and I wouldn't wish eternal torment on him.

Am I more merciful than God?

The people you mentioned are some of the worst wicked beings in all of history.

If there is a God then the only true victory over evil is to change the souls of the wicked into just souls. If God can do literally anything then hell is a masterful place of reform and transformation of souls.

If God is real, then one day there will be no more possibility of evil. I mean God by definition is the Supreme Being who makes all things possible. No one will ever be capable of choosing evil ever again. And all souls will meet justice and justice will conquer all souls unto what is eternally good.

Evil will be recorded as a defeated nature.

Thinking of the worst possible beings, they all rely on goodness to survive. So by nature evil can do no good and can't survive on its own.
Its ends are rooted in destruction.

But if is a long way from there being a God!

I know people see death as the punishment meant for the wicked. And then some religions add eternal hell on top of it. But those are human god's created by humans. My conscience is that there are good people on Earth, and death is the natural process of shedding the body to set the spirit free. We are caught up in a reality not meant for life. Those people wishing eternal hell are just being irrational, or unreasonable about evil people.

I know myself and I expect justice and redemption for the trouble evil has caused. I expect in an ideal reality that no one is forever wasted!

Still hell would be a fearsome place.

 

[cataway]

He'll is nothing more that the place where dead people are put. It's called the grave. The torment is knowing that one day you will be put there

 

[Father Heathen]

That is the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.

A 'god' of 'pure love' is one of complete dependence on others, it implies a completely corporeal entity which lacks it's own self-direction and which needs validation in others.
The idea of God loving at all (taken in a literal way) is overall pretty stupid and I don't believe that God literally "loves" anything or anyone, a god that loves is not really God - but rather a created thing, or a polytheistic anthropomorphic deity. Though in our relation to God we could say that those attributes positively apply to our relation with God but not to God itself.

Love is rather a farce, I think, love implies dependence, attraction and need, all of which God is absent of. God is the creator of dependence, attraction and need, God is the creator of love, just as God is the creator of pigs, planets, galaxies and sexual organs. We depend on, are attracted to, and need others, we are the ones who love (and hate, which is another form of love).

Arbitrary and presumptuous nonsense, but thanks for sharing.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

All I know is if God creates anyone to suffer forever, I cannot love such a God.

It makes you wonder how such a God-dishonoring doctrine ever got started.
Myself, I think it's because this world, for now, is really under the control of the Devil. (1 John 5:19.) The Apostle Paul called him, "the god of this world", blinding minds to the good news.

Take care, my cousin!

 

[Spiderman]

Not a Christian so I have no real horse in this race. Just popping in to say, hi @Spiderman
Long time no see. Hope you’re doing well

((Hugs)). I missed you!

 

[SomeRandom]

((Hugs)). I missed you!

Aww I missed you too