Question for Christians. What do you think about what this Pastor has to say?

[metis]

Mandated experimental vaccines that seems to have caused lot of death.

False, as these vaccines were tested more time by the FDA than any other previous vaccine. Secondly, the vaccines do work but with some side effects, and they have been PROVEN to lessen the number of covid deaths.

 

[Colt]

There is a parallel thread to see if there are different responses based on context. Question for Trump supporters. What do you think about what this Pastor has to say?

The pastor is basically saying that he doesn’t believe in democratic government. He objects to Christian’s participating in voting or other forms of civic duty because in his mind those practices are “of the world”.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Just watch the first two and a half minutes of this and tell me what you think. Please.

2 minutes is insufficient to understand the situation in the church. Perhaps in the past he has supported politicians, and so now he is back pedaling. Perhaps 5 minutes ago he apologized for supporting a politician.

Its also possible that this is about conscientious objection. Some churches believe that any involvement in government processes such as voting is a recognition of the kingdom of this world and that Christians should only recognize the kingdom of God.

Notice how he blames the problem on not enough prayer and not enough reading of the bible? His animated livid speech is practiced, so he talks like this a lot. By saying this he's giving everyone permission to read and pray less as long as they feel guilty about it a lot. I don't know if its intention, but that's the impact. People don't read more for lots of reasons. They don't pray more, because they don't know how. Its hard to tell what these 2 minutes are about other than a guilt sandwich.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Just watch the first two and a half minutes of this and tell me what you think. Please.

There is a parallel thread to see if there are different responses based on context. Question for Trump supporters. What do you think about what this Pastor has to say?

He’s awfully angry and obviously a liberal.

He’s spending his sermon time harping on Trump instead of preaching about God.

I mean is it really a big deal that someone is packaging a Bible with the constitution to sell it?

No and Trump isn’t saying that God is an American only religion, he never has.

This pastor is very hateful, I would have walked out.

 

[1213]

vaccines were tested more time by the FDA than any other previous vaccine.

Maybe so, and then for example Pfizer tried to hide the results for 75 years.

Secondly, the vaccines do work but with some side effects, and they have been PROVEN to lessen the number of covid deaths.

 

[1213]

So, what this tells me is that the most basic Judeo-Christian morality is unimportant to you and that Biden's using a teleprompter is more immoral than Trump's cheating on his three wives. And then that's followed with Trump's attempt to subvert the election and telling his followers to "fight like hell" just prior to them attacking the Capitol.

I don't say it is immoral to use teleprompter. I say, if alleged president reads teleprompter like Ron Burgundy, the true president is the one who writes the text in teleprompter. And he is evil, because uses presidential power, without being elected to be the president.

Why do you seemingly hate fair & free elections?

No, I hate cheating. And all evidence seems to point to that team Biden won by cheating.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The pastor seems to say that if you are of the Kingdom of Heaven you shouldn’t be involved in the things of this earth. If one shouldn’t be involved in the politics, because it is of this world, wouldn’t it be just as fair to say your shouldn’t be involved in the lives of people who are hurting because of this world?

That does seem to be a reasonable takeaway from the Gospels.

For instance, the Beatitudes talk about how those who suffer now will receive reward in Heaven that more than makes up for their suffering. This means that relieving someone's suffering will make them worse off in the long run... no?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The pastor is basically saying that he doesn’t believe in democratic government. He objects to Christian’s participating in voting or other forms of civic duty because in his mind those practices are “of the world”.

This is consistent with the stances of many Christians over the years and, IMO, with a plain reading of the Bible.

 

[Kenny]

That does seem to be a reasonable takeaway from the Gospels.

For instance, the Beatitudes talk about how those who suffer now will receive reward in Heaven that more than makes up for their suffering. This means that relieving someone's suffering will make them worse off in the long run... no?

IMV, that would be a twisted application to politics in the church. Kinda a square peg hammered into a round hole

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

IMV, that would be a twisted application to politics in the church. Kinda a square peg hammered into a round hole

Why?

Personally, I see Christian attempts to relieve hunger and suffering as indicative of a lack of trust in God to keep his purported promises.

Since I don't believe in God, I think charity - real charity - is a net positive, but I don't see how it could work in the context of Christian theology.

 

[Kenny]

Why?

Personally, I see Christian attempts to relieve hunger and suffering as indicative of a lack of trust in God to keep his purported promises.

Since I don't believe in God, I think charity - real charity - is a net positive, but I don't see how it could work in the context of Christian theology.

Apparently, you don’t know how to interpret the Bible.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Apparently, you don’t know to interpret the Bible.

I don't?

I'm pretty sure that the Beatitudes say to "rejoice and be glad" in the face of suffering. Why do you think taking away someone's source of joy would be a good thing?

And what kind of Christian reads God's promise to feed and clothe his children in Matthew 6 and says "I know what to do! I'll feed and clothe God's children instead!"?

 

[Kenny]

I don't?

I'm pretty sure that the Beatitudes say to "rejoice and be glad" in the face of suffering. Why do you think taking away someone's source of joy would be a good thing?

And what kind of Christian reads God's promise to feed and clothe his children in Matthew 6 and says "I know what to do! I'll feed and clothe God's children instead!"?

Correct… you don’t. you selectively choose.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Correct… you don’t. you selectively choose.

You say without any suggestion of how my interpretation might be wrong.

Do you believe Jesus in Matthew 6:26-34?

 

[Kenny]

You say without any suggestion of how my interpretation might be wrong.

Do you believe Jesus in Matthew 6:26-34?

It says “seek ye first” and “have faith”. - both are requirements. I think you don’t do either.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It says “seek ye first” and “have faith”. - both are requirements. I think you don’t do either.

It also says that God will ensure that people are fed and clothed, doesn't it?

 

[Audie]

Just watch the first two and a half minutes of this and tell me what you think. Please.

There is a parallel thread to see if there are different responses based on context. Question for Trump supporters. What do you think about what this Pastor has to say?

20 seconds is excessive

 

[Kenny]

It also says that God will ensure that people are fed and clothed, doesn't it?

Actually, if you actually did read and understand the Bible, you would find that it is our responsibility. God uses people. He blesses (and we certainly have enough food to feed the world) - man messes up with His provision

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Actually, if you actually did read and understand the Bible, you would find that it is our responsibility.

Where does it say that?

God uses people.

Convenient.

He blesses (and we certainly have enough food to feed the world) - man messes up with His provision

... which God was aware would happen, right?

 

[metis]

Maybe so, and then for example Pfizer tried to hide the results for 75 years.

The Pfizer covid vaccine has only been available for three years now, and they and Moderna used a technique never used before in human history.