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Question for YEC-Creationists/IDers, fossiles & bones of dinosaurs

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
So, we all know what a fossil is, right? For those who don't here's an extremely simplified explanation: It's not actually a bone, it's the "shadow" of a bone, where the..bone-ness...of it is replaced with inorganic minerals in its shape.

Got that? Good. Fossils aren't bones because of that. They're copies, after a fashion. Why do I mention this?

Because we have only ever found fossils from the Mesozoic. We've never come across anything but a wholly-fossilized(as in not partially fossilized) dinosaur*.

This is where my question to Creationists/IDers comes in;

Why? We've got subfossils and other organic material from creatures that were supposed to live in the 5-12,000 years you claim the planet has been around. Mammoth carcasses are the most famous, but the bones of Neanderthals and such also count.

Why do we not also find dinosaurs in different states of fossilization? Of the innumerable dinosaurs discovered, not one has left us anything but wholly fossilized remains. What are the odds of that?

*Yes, birds are dinosaurs, but you know what I mean goddamnit.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I believe the answer is because dinosaurs are generally tens of millions of years old. And I believe in intelligent design through higher nature beings. Your question asked for intelligent design believer's input. There are different types of intelligent design believers.
 
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David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I believe the answer is because dinosaurs are generally tens of millions of years old. And I believe in intelligent design through higher nature beings. Your question asked for intelligent design believers input. There are different types of intelligent design believers.

Yes there are different types of intelligent design believers. Personally I believe in God. And I am also an avid fossil hunter. I do not believe in a young earth as there is no possible way to explain the fossil record in this context. I collect invertebrate fossils mostly from Devonian, Silurian and Ordivician strata. We have some of the best trilobite specimens near my home. These creatures existed way before dinosaurs, around 300,000,000 years ago. Point is you don't find the two mixed in the fossil record. If the earth was only 6000 years old as some say, and all the fossils the result of the great flood of Genesis you would think that everything in the fossil record would be mixed in together. That is not the case. If you look for dinosaurs in Devonian strata, they are not there and vice versa.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yes there are different types of intelligent design believers. Personally I believe in God. And I am also an avid fossil hunter. I do not believe in a young earth as there is no possible way to explain the fossil record in this context. I collect invertebrate fossils mostly from Devonian, Silurian and Ordivician strata. We have some of the best trilobite specimens near my home. These creatures existed way before dinosaurs, around 300,000,000 years ago. Point is you don't find the two mixed in the fossil record. If the earth was only 6000 years old as some say, and all the fossils the result of the great flood of Genesis you would think that everything in the fossil record would be mixed in together. That is not the case. If you look for dinosaurs in Devonian strata, they are not there and vice versa.

Here is one of the trilobites I prepared. This is a Phacops Raymondi, Lower Devonian. I'm pretty sure it is older than 6000 years old;)
trilobite.jpg
 

dust1n

Zindīq
So, we all know what a fossil is, right? For those who don't here's an extremely simplified explanation: It's not actually a bone, it's the "shadow" of a bone, where the..bone-ness...of it is replaced with inorganic minerals in its shape.

Got that? Good. Fossils aren't bones because of that. They're copies, after a fashion. Why do I mention this?

Some fossils are actually preserved bone, though the chemical makeup would be altered in a number of ways.
 
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