question reagarding After-Death life... are we all equal?

[MissTopSecret]

Hey Everyone!!

can anyone tell me what happens with non-christian people after they die?? goes the God look at them same as on christians??
let's imagine that someone is muslim or a jew... they believe in one god, respect bible, but they pray in different way, have different ideas about our life as well as they refuse the idea of the Trinity...
do they still have chance to go to the paradise if they are 'good' people??

 

[james2ko]

Hey Everyone!!

can anyone tell me what happens with non-christian people after they die?? goes the God look at them same as on christians?? let's imagine that someone is muslim or a jew... they believe in one god, respect bible, but they pray in different way, have different ideas about our life as well as they refuse the idea of the Trinity...do they still have chance to go to the paradise if they are 'good' people??

Every man, woman, and child, including those you mentioned, who ever lived; whose minds were blinded to the truth (2Cor 4:3-4) and did not get an opportunity to know and accept Christ-- which is the only way to be saved (Acts 4:12)-- will be resurrected back to physical life with the same habits (good or bad) personality, character traits and memories from their prior life, after Jesus Christ's 1,000 year reign. This is also known as the second resurrection (Eze 37; Rev 20:5,11-12).

During this judgement period, their minds will be opened to know the true God (Isa 11:9; Hab 2:14) without the influence of satan (Rev 20:10). They will be led and taught by Christ and the Saints from the first resurrection (Isa 30:20-21; Rev 20:6) and be given a period of possibly 100 years of physical life (Isa 65:20) to choose between Christ's way or their old way. It is not a second chance at salvation. But it will be their second chance at life.

This scenario enriches the meaning of these verses:

John 3:17: For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

1Ti 2:4: who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9: The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Luke 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’”​

 

[URAVIP2ME]

True, God desires all to be saved but not all are saved because not all who have the opportunity will repent. 2nd Peter 3v9.

That is why Matthew 20v28 B says 'many' and not all.

Jesus shed blood covers all [1st John 1v7] but all do not want to be covered.
-Hebrews 10v26.

Those that commit the unforgivable sin are not forgiven. Matt 12v32; Hebrews 6vs4-6.

 

[james2ko]

UR, is that addressed to me or to the OP?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Hey Everyone!!
can anyone tell me what happens with non-christian people after they die?? goes the God look at them same as on christians??
let's imagine that someone is muslim or a jew... they believe in one god, respect bible, but they pray in different way, have different ideas about our life as well as they refuse the idea of the Trinity...
do they still have chance to go to the paradise if they are 'good' people??

1st John 1v7 says Jesus blood cleanses from all sin because Jesus ransom sacrifice [1st Tim 2v6] covers all, or in place of all.
But important is not all accept Jesus.

As for those who have already died, Romans 6v7,23 mentions the dead are freed or acquitted from sin. Not meaning innocent but as a judge can pardon a person so the crime [sin] charges no longer stick.
So, except for those of Matt 12v32 who commit the unforgivable sin,
the dead will be resurrected. Acts 24v15. But resurrected where is the key.

Jesus promised a resurrection to heavenly life to some of his followers.
The majority of mankind have lived and died without being a follower,
so they will be part of the promise given to Abraham that all families of the 'earth' will be blessed and all nations of the 'earth' will be blessed. Blessed with healing or curing of the nations, meaning being resurrected or restored back to life right here on a paradisaic earth. -Gen 12v3; 22vs17,18; Rev 22v2.

So during Jesus 1000-year reign over a paradisaic earth, the majority of mankind will be brought back to life with the opportunity to gain everlasting life on earth. All things will be new. Rev 21vs4,5.

Whereas, those that are part of the first or earlier resurrection [Rev 20v6; 5vs9,10] will be resurrected to heaven to reign with Christ. -Dan 7vs18,27

Now, as for those of us still living at the time Jesus involves himself into mankind's affairs [Matt 25vs31,32], those Jesus judges as righteous humble sheep-like ones have the prospect of remaining alive and to keep on living right into the start of Jesus peaceful millennial reign over earth.

Psalm 37vs11,29,38; 92v7; Proverbs 2vs21,22; 10v30; 21v18

 

[URAVIP2ME]

UR, is that addressed to me or to the OP?

Reply to verses posted.

At what time frame will all flesh see the salvation by God? Luke 3v6

All will see the saving means by Christ Jesus for those who 'come out' of the great tribulation as Rev 7v14 says.

At this time 'all' do not yet see that Jesus is God's saving means at Armageddon.
Rev 19vs11,15; Isaiah 11v4.

Before the wicked are destroyed [Psalm 92v7] and later Satan is destroyed [Hebrews 2v14 B] they will all know God's saving grace comes through Christ Jesus for the humble meek of earth.

As far as the already dead, they will see God's saving means through the resurrection back to life again. -Acts 24v15.

 

[james2ko]

Reply to verses posted.

At what time frame will all flesh see the salvation by God? Luke 3v6

All will see the saving means by Christ Jesus for those who 'come out' of the great tribulation as Rev 7v14 says.

At this time 'all' do not yet see that Jesus is God's saving means at Armageddon.
Rev 19vs11,15; Isaiah 11v4.

Before the wicked are destroyed [Psalm 92v7] and later Satan is destroyed [Hebrews 2v14 B] they will all know God's saving grace comes through Christ Jesus for the humble meek of earth.

As far as the already dead, they will see God's saving means through the resurrection back to life again. -Acts 24v15.

This is not a debate thread!! Besides, we've already discussed this on another thread.

 

[Civil Shephard]

Hey Everyone!!

can anyone tell me what happens with non-christian people after they die?? goes the God look at them same as on christians??
let's imagine that someone is muslim or a jew... they believe in one god, respect bible, but they pray in different way, have different ideas about our life as well as they refuse the idea of the Trinity...
do they still have chance to go to the paradise if they are 'good' people??

Hey Miss TopSecret!!
(I always did like saying Hey since it reminds me of Mayberry... Hey Andy Hey Goober!)

There are many New Testatment versus that lead me to believe the Spirit of God is acknowledged by folks in many different ways that are not limited to being technically correct in naming a certain name or holding to a certain belief. From the Roman Centurian to the Parable in Luke about those that know the will of God and those that don't to what I believe is the most telling and that is the woman at the well in John Chapter 4. We judge by what our eyes see and ears hear but unlike God we cannot see the heart. And Isaiah 11 along with a verse in the John 7 make me feel very good about not judging by appearance or what my eyes see and what my ears hear.

But back to the woman at the well and the beautiful account of all that transpired between her and Jesus... I think this spiritually points to honest self assesment as a form of worship. I mean some seem to have down graded what Jesus said about "Spirit and Truth" to a form of technical doctrinal correctness rather than a kind, gentle and honest heart. Since out of the mouth of babes our Creator and Savior ordained perfect praise... and since Christ himself warns that unless we recieve the Kingdom of Heaven like little children... then I can only assume that God has a higher and better way of judging what and who are good.

To me, Jesus taught "Blessed are the poor in spirit" over and above those who teach that 'unless you recieve the Lord Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and Savior you're going to hell' as a means to recieving the Kingdom. Further is seems that both types of people get persecuted, one for their humility and honesty and the other for preaching Christ like a complete jerk. Though I believe that Christ is indeed everything he says about himself his words and deeds point most to a very just God who has no respect of person.

 

[Katzpur]

Hey Everyone!!

can anyone tell me what happens with non-christian people after they die?? goes the God look at them same as on christians??
let's imagine that someone is muslim or a jew... they believe in one god, respect bible, but they pray in different way, have different ideas about our life as well as they refuse the idea of the Trinity...
do they still have chance to go to the paradise if they are 'good' people??

My belief is that the spirit is a cognizant entity which leaves the physical body at death but continues to exist in another realm until it is reunited with the resurrected and perfected body and allowed to enter into Heaven. During this period of time, which could be hundreds or even thousands of years, depending when during the history of the world the person died, these spirits will continue to have the ability to learn, grow spiritually and make choices. Things that didn't make sense during mortality (perhaps due to educational opportunities or the political and cultural climates in which a person lived) will be more easily understood and believed. I believe that our spirits will not only be able to learn and accept new truths, but that those whose understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ was incorrect or incomplete will have the chance to learn the things they didn't know on Earth. Once everyone has had the chance to play on a level playing field, so to speak, our physical bodies will be resurrected (i.e. our spirits will give them new life) and we will all stand before God to be judged. God will judge no one without having made sure that he has had the chance to learn and accept the truth, believe that Jesus Christ has atoned for his or her sins, and repented of them.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

RE: spirit leaves body

What is the answer to Ecclesiastes 3v21?

Even though Genesis 2v7 says Adam became a living soul, some do say dead Adam became a dead or lifeless soul, but the spirit lives on.

Often people think of Ecc 12v7 that mentions the dust [dust of the body] returns to earth and the spirit will return to God who gave 'it'.

Although that verse does not say return up to heaven people think of heaven.
That verse does not say travels back to heaven.

Return does not always mean to a literal location.
For example:
In a foreclosure of a house, the house does not literally return to the owner.
The repossession of it is in the hands of the owner, but not literally in his hand to hold.

Job believed [33v4] that the spirit of God made Job, and God's breath gave Job life.
[it was also God's breath that gave lifeless Adam the gift of life- Gen 2v7]
At Job [27v3] Job says his breath was in him, and the spirit of God was in his nose.
Job [34vs14,15] mentions God as gathering to himself Job's spirit and breath.
Surely God does not take one's breath to heaven.

So, God's spirit has to be added to human spirit [and breath] in order to receive life.
In Scripture God nor Jesus are referred to as : 'it'. [Ecc 12v7 'it']
Yet, as Romans 8v16,26 says the 'spirit itself'.
So, spirit is referred to as an 'it' or 'itself' and not as being a person but an impersonal force or action that brings or keeps the body [soul] alive.

Even today we hear of school spirit, or even a high-spirited horse.
What can energize school spirit is a pep rally because it's lively.
When we picture a high-spirited horse we picture being animated and lively.

At Psalm 143v7 the Psalmist mentions his spirit fails. So the spirit can fail.
If something 'it' fails is it still functional or eternal?

So, can't we think of one's spirit in connection to a light switch?
When we' flip the switch' there is a spark of energy or an energizing force that creates a function that energizes something or someone. Once that supply source is no longer available then that energizing force goes out or even fails. 'Goes out' but does Not separate itself to another realm of existence released from the body to heaven, but must wait until one is resurrected to immortal life in heaven or everlasting life on a paradisaic earth under Jesus peaceful millennial reign over earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

RE: spirit leaves body

What is the answer to Ecclesiastes 3v21?

Even though Genesis 2v7 says Adam became a living soul, some do say dead Adam became a dead or lifeless soul, but the spirit lives on.

Often people think of Ecc 12v7 that mentions the dust [dust of the body] returns to earth and the spirit will return to God who gave 'it'.

Although that verse does not say return up to heaven people think of heaven.
That verse does not say travels back to heaven.

Return does not always mean to a literal location.
For example:
In a foreclosure of a house, the house does not literally return to the owner.
The repossession of it is in the hands of the owner, but not literally in his hand to hold.

Job believed [33v4] that the spirit of God made Job, and God's breath gave Job life.
[it was also God's breath that gave lifeless Adam the gift of life- Gen 2v7]
At Job [27v3] Job says his breath was in him, and the spirit of God was in his nose.
Job [34vs14,15] mentions God as gathering to himself Job's spirit and breath.
Surely God does not take one's breath to heaven.

So, God's spirit has to be added to human spirit [and breath] in order to receive life.
In Scripture God nor Jesus are referred to as : 'it'. [Ecc 12v7 'it']
Yet, as Romans 8v16,26 says the 'spirit itself'.
So, spirit is referred to as an 'it' or 'itself' and not as being a person but an impersonal force or action that brings or keeps the body [soul] alive.

Even today we hear of school spirit, or even a high-spirited horse.
What can energize school spirit is a pep rally because it's lively.
When we picture a high-spirited horse we picture being animated and lively.

At Psalm 143v7 the Psalmist mentions his spirit fails. So the spirit can fail.
If something 'it' fails is it still functional or eternal?

So, can't we think of one's spirit in connection to a light switch?
When we' flip the switch' there is a spark of energy or an energizing force that creates a function that energizes something or someone. Once that supply source is no longer available then that energizing force goes out or even fails. 'Goes out' but does Not separate itself to another realm of existence released from the body to heaven, but must wait until one is resurrected to immortal life in heaven or everlasting life on a paradisaic earth under Jesus peaceful millennial reign over earth.

The ^above^ is for KeithH