Question

[Jimmy]

So let’s pretend that all the people in the world are eating the same thing, working the same amount and living the exact same lifestyle. Let’s also say that there no diseases. What do you think the age range is that people die? Not the age. I say 15 years. Ex. 80-95. My point is, is that some people die younger than others for no apparent reason. It may be even 20 years idk. Interesting to think about though. So the next time you’re reading statistics about anything regarding age keep this in mind.

 

[Quintessence]

Setting aside that this hypothetical is in no way possible in the reality of our plane of existence, it seems like you're missing a few factors.

The first that came to mind for me was environment - which is far and away the largest driver of biological evolution on all species, including humans. The entire story of human civilization only makes sense within an environmental context.

The second that came to mind was occupation - when I became acquainted with metrics that track the most dangerous occupations I found those data quite interesting.

 

[Jimmy]

Setting aside that this hypothetical is in no way possible in the reality of our plane of existence, it seems like you're missing a few factors.

The first that came to mind for me was environment - which is far and away the largest driver of biological evolution on all species, including humans. The entire story of human civilization only makes sense within an environmental context.

The second that came to mind was occupation - when I became acquainted with metrics that track the most dangerous occupations I found those data quite interesting.

I think You missed the point of it. Ok add the same environment to my hypothetical if it’ll help you understand.

Yeah I said if we all worked the same amount. Same amount, same job whatever. You get the point

 

[Quintessence]

I think You missed the point of it. Ok add the same environment to my hypothetical if it’ll help you understand.

Yeah I said if we all worked the same amount. Same amount, same job whatever. You get the point

I'm a scientist by training. Things don't happen for no reason, they've all got distinct causes. There are even analyses we can do to see how much a particular factor accounts for a given outcome. If the reason isn't apparent, that means we've got to do more research. These are the sort of things I keep in mind when looking at statistics. Whether or not this is the point you were trying to make, I dunno.

 

[Jimmy]

I'm a scientist by training. Things don't happen for no reason, they've all got distinct causes. There are even analyses we can do to see how much a particular factor accounts for a given outcome. If the reason isn't apparent, that means we've got to do more research. These are the sort of things I keep in mind when looking at statistics. Whether or not this is the point you were trying to make, I dunno.

I don’t think you’re understanding what I mean. That’s OK

 

[Jimmy]

I'm a scientist by training. Things don't happen for no reason, they've all got distinct causes. There are even analyses we can do to see how much a particular factor accounts for a given outcome. If the reason isn't apparent, that means we've got to do more research. These are the sort of things I keep in mind when looking at statistics. Whether or not this is the point you were trying to make, I dunno.

Let me put it to you this way. Let’s take 1 million ants and put them in an ant farm. Would they all die on the same day? No, because that’s life. Apparently for no reason they all die at different times. See where I’m goin? Oh and these one million ants were born on the same day ha ha. I’m guessing you’ll probably still not get it. That’s ok I understand how the scientific mind works

 

[Quintessence]

Let me put it to you this way. Let’s take 1 million ants and put them in an ant farm. Would they all die on the same day? No, because that’s life. Apparently for no reason they all die at different times. See where I’m goin?

You're going to develop a testable scientific hypothesis to uncover the reasons why they died at different times, because even thing this happened for "apparently" no reason there was definitely a reason that we can learn about and study with science (or other methods)? Right?

I don't buy the "no reason" - we don't live in an acausal universe. I do enjoy and find acausal thinking important and valuable, just not so much for things like this where we can definitely use investigations to uncover the causes for these things. Wasn't it life insurance companies that had gotten scarily accurate at telling when someone is going to die based on various factors? I can't recall...

 

[Jimmy]

You're going to develop a testable scientific hypothesis to uncover the reasons why they died at different times, because even thing this happened for "apparently" no reason there was definitely a reason that we can learn about and study with science (or other methods)? Right?

I don't buy the "no reason" - we don't live in an acausal universe. I do enjoy and find acausal thinking important and valuable, just not so much for things like this where we can definitely use investigations to uncover the causes for these things. Wasn't it life insurance companies that had gotten scarily accurate at telling when someone is going to die based on various factors? I can't recall...

I disagree. Aside from all the factors, the age of death still varies from one person to another imo.

 

[Jimmy]

You're going to develop a testable scientific hypothesis to uncover the reasons why they died at different times, because even thing this happened for "apparently" no reason there was definitely a reason that we can learn about and study with science (or other methods)? Right?

I don't buy the "no reason" - we don't live in an acausal universe. I do enjoy and find acausal thinking important and valuable, just not so much for things like this where we can definitely use investigations to uncover the causes for these things. Wasn't it life insurance companies that had gotten scarily accurate at telling when someone is going to die based on various factors? I can't recall...

Why might a smoker outlive a health nut then? Mind you they both seemingly died of old age not a disease. Say 80 for one and 90 for another? You’re reasoning is flawed but I’m sure you’re aware of that.

 

[Quintessence]

Why might a smoker outlive a health nut then? Mind you they both seemingly died of old age not a disease. Say 80 for one and 90 for another? You’re reasoning is flawed but I’m sure you’re aware of that.

* Quintessence raises an eyebrow *

My reasoning is flawed?

* Quintessence stares at you for a long while then sighs and thinks about the state of science literacy in the country *

 

[Jimmy]

* Quintessence raises an eyebrow *

My reasoning is flawed?

* Quintessence stares at you for a long while then sighs and thinks about the state of science literacy in the country *

Well if you don’t think odds are involved then I don’t know what to tell you. If you think science can boil down exactly why someone dies at the age they do then that’s your prerogative. But like I said I’m sure you’re aware that it’s not an exact science. That’s why your reasoning is flawed. You may even think it can be accurate within say one year but I highly doubt that

 

[bobhikes]

So let’s pretend that all the people in the world are eating the same thing, working the same amount and living the exact same lifestyle. Let’s also say that there no diseases. What do you think the age range is that people die? Not the age. I say 15 years. Ex. 80-95. My point is, is that some people die younger than others for no apparent reason. It may be even 20 years idk. Interesting to think about though. So the next time you’re reading statistics about anything regarding age keep this in mind.

I read through the thread and you understand that no 2 humans are a like even identical twins differ after they leave the womb so yes all things die at different times and the range will be just born to 118 no matter what you do to their environment to make it similar. It's the same for Ants, Birds and Fish. Not sure what you find so incredible about it.

 

[Mock Turtle]

So let’s pretend that all the people in the world are eating the same thing, working the same amount and living the exact same lifestyle. Let’s also say that there no diseases. What do you think the age range is that people die? Not the age. I say 15 years. Ex. 80-95. My point is, is that some people die younger than others for no apparent reason. It may be even 20 years idk. Interesting to think about though. So the next time you’re reading statistics about anything regarding age keep this in mind.

No apparent reason? How about this one - given this has been known for a long time.

How your parent’s lifespan affects your health

Longer-lived parents have healthier children - but why? Insights from the UK Biobank study.

theconversation.com

 

[Jimmy]

I read through the thread and you understand that no 2 humans are a like even identical twins differ after they leave the womb so yes all things die at different times and the range will be just born to 118 no matter what you do to their environment to make it similar. It's the same for Ants, Birds and Fish. Not sure what you find so incredible about it.

I read through the thread and you understand that no 2 humans are a like even identical twins differ after they leave the womb so yes all things die at different times and the range will be just born to 118 no matter what you do to their environment to make it similar. It's the same for Ants, Birds and Fish. Not sure what you find so incredible about it.

I find it interesting that two people can live exactly the same life and Die 15 years apart. It’s the odds I find interesting.

 

[bobhikes]

I find it interesting that two people can live exactly the same life and Die 15 years apart. It’s the odds I find interesting.

No two people can live exactly the same life. The best you can do is alternate positions (so you shared the same space at different times) and alternate doing things first (so you each get a chance to experience new things). These things may seem minor but over your life they add up.

 

[Jimmy]

No two people can live exactly the same life. The best you can do is alternate positions (so you shared the same space at different times) and alternate doing things first (so you each get a chance to experience new things). These things may seem minor but over your life they add up.

That’s why I said pretend

 

[Jimmy]

I’m sure it’s the same for animals as well. I’m sure the death range is prolly 5 years give or take with bears, wolves etc. healthy animals that is. The range isn’t as large as humans because we live longer.