Questions about Angels & Demons

[Clover]

Here are some questions that hit me:

1. If a man dies, can he become a agent for God or Satan? Sort of like a Co-Demon/Co-Angel?

2. Is it possible for a man to become a Agent to Satan? I mean, if a man can become a agent of God (preacher/priest/w/e) couldn't it be possible in turn for them to become a man of Satan?

 

[Dunemeister]

Here are some questions that hit me:

1. If a man dies, can he become a agent for God or Satan? Sort of like a Co-Demon/Co-Angel?

No.

2. Is it possible for a man to become a Agent to Satan? I mean, if a man can become a agent of God (preacher/priest/w/e) couldn't it be possible in turn for them to become a man of Satan?

Yes.

 

[EtuMalku]

No & No

 

[Dunemeister]

No & No

This is a Christian thread, so the poster was asking for Christian answers (I presume).

 

[Clover]

Well, I don't really care who answers, as long as they use a source from their source of their beliefs for example: bible.

 

[DadBurnett]

Why do you ask???

 

[Dunemeister]

Well, I don't really care who answers, as long as they use a source from their source of their beliefs for example: bible.

In that case, this shouldn't be in the Christianity thread.

 

[3.14]

no there is no satan employment agency (my source the golden guide) so it would be impossible to become employed there.

you can however become a fan of satan

 

[Clover]

In that case, this shouldn't be in the Christianity thread.

Well, I am expecting the majority to be Christians, but ok. If you want it moved, you can tell the mods.

 

[EtuMalku]

No, it's ok, I didn't notice the thread subject. Sorry

 

[Dunemeister]

Well, I am expecting the majority to be Christians, but ok. If you want it moved, you can tell the mods.

Belief in angels and demons extends waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond Christians, so you should have no trouble getting response from other perspectives.

 

[Clover]

Belief in angels and demons extends waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond Christians, so you should have no trouble getting response from other perspectives.

Yes, I know, but I am wanting to see it in the Christian religion, and I believe non-Christians can have a vast knowledge of Christian beliefs.

 

[Erebus]

According to Buddhism it's possible to become an Asura (rough equivalent of a demon) or a Deva (rough equivalent of an angel) after death and certain neopagan belief systems hold that souls can "change" to become something roughly demon-ish or roughly angel-ish.

Christianity is a bit different, with angels and demons typically being considered a separate "species" from humans altogether. The general consensus is that angels were created seperately from humans while demons are the result of an angel joining Satan.
Medieval Christianity is a different matter though. It was widely believed that humans could turn to Satan and become a witch, werewolf or vampire, thus effectively becoming an agent of Satan. It was also believed that all three of these agents had supernatural abilities and weaknesses and therefore they "could" be described as being demonic. Of course it's also entirely possible that the high ranking Church members didn't actually believe these stories and they were just a method for keeping the general public under control... Who knows?

Now for another sort of Christian viewpoint... Many ancient Greek legends claim that a person could become a monster by displeasing the Gods. While these monsters weren't really thought of as being demons at the time (the word daemon meant "intelligent being" or "messenger of the Gods" at the time) they were adopted by Dante and portrayed as denizens of Hell. Since Dante's Hell essentially forms the background for the modern concept of Hell it is arguable that one could be transformed into a monstrous denizen of Hell as punishment for Earthly deeds (theoretically) but by strict Christian definition you still wouldn't be considered a demon.

For the most part, Christian belief systems hold that you can't "become" an angel, but you can certainly become divine. Depending on the form of Christianity, you can become a higher entity through martyrdom or by being sainted. Traditionally the saints and martyrs (and in some forms of Christianity the spirits of priests and monks) were considered higher or more divine than the general population of heaven, sometimes even outranking angels... but they still remained a separate species.

In short:
Can you become an agent of Satan? usually
Can you become an angel/demon? not usually

 

[MarvelousWorksofGod]

All men who fall short under the glory of the Lord are devil's agents.But devils are fallen angels, and in the begging the angels were with God, (best of my knowledge), and people who are not saved are not to be called a demon because humans who have sinned never were a angel in the first place.Only the ones who God will call will be at his throne, (people such as Moses, or Abraham) but I don't think ordinary believers will exhalted as a an angel of God. I am not completely sure, though.

 

[EtuMalku]

According to Buddhism it's possible to become an Asura (rough equivalent of a demon) or a Deva (rough equivalent of an angel) after death and certain neopagan belief systems hold that souls can "change" to become something roughly demon-ish or roughly angel-ish.

Christianity is a bit different, with angels and demons typically being considered a separate "species" from humans altogether. The general consensus is that angels were created seperately from humans while demons are the result of an angel joining Satan.
Medieval Christianity is a different matter though. It was widely believed that humans could turn to Satan and become a witch, werewolf or vampire, thus effectively becoming an agent of Satan. It was also believed that all three of these agents had supernatural abilities and weaknesses and therefore they "could" be described as being demonic. Of course it's also entirely possible that the high ranking Church members didn't actually believe these stories and they were just a method for keeping the general public under control... Who knows?

Now for another sort of Christian viewpoint... Many ancient Greek legends claim that a person could become a monster by displeasing the Gods. While these monsters weren't really thought of as being demons at the time (the word daemon meant "intelligent being" or "messenger of the Gods" at the time) they were adopted by Dante and portrayed as denizens of Hell. Since Dante's Hell essentially forms the background for the modern concept of Hell it is arguable that one could be transformed into a monstrous denizen of Hell as punishment for Earthly deeds (theoretically) but by strict Christian definition you still wouldn't be considered a demon.

For the most part, Christian belief systems hold that you can't "become" an angel, but you can certainly become divine. Depending on the form of Christianity, you can become a higher entity through martyrdom or by being sainted. Traditionally the saints and martyrs (and in some forms of Christianity the spirits of priests and monks) were considered higher or more divine than the general population of heaven, sometimes even outranking angels... but they still remained a separate species.

In short:
Can you become an agent of Satan? usually
Can you become an angel/demon? not usually

So, what's up with this reply? It is is non-Christian . . . no one said anything to this poster?

 

[lockyfan]

humans are humans they are not supposed to dwell with God

as a matter of fact the 144000 have their own dwelling place set up by Jesus, who was an angel before he became human

 

[Bick]

Here are some questions that hit me:

1. If a man dies, can he become a agent for God or Satan? Sort of like a Co-Demon/Co-Angel?

2. Is it possible for a man to become a Agent to Satan? I mean, if a man can become a agent of God (preacher/priest/w/e) couldn't it be possible in turn for them to become a man of Satan?

MY COMMENTS:

Answers on 1. No! When a man dies he is dead until resurrected.

In death, the grave, there is no knowledge, no remembrance, no praise etc:

Psa. 6:5 "For in death there is no remembrance of thee; in Sheol who can give you praise?"

Psa. 30:9 "What profit will there be in my blood when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? Shall it declare thy truth."

Psa. 88:10-12 "Will Thou show wonders to the dead? Shall the dead arise and praise thee? ...Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? And thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?"

Psa. 115:17 "The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

As the Lord told Adam after the fall, "By the sweat of your brow you will eat food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." Gen3:19, NIV.

2. If a man was a believer in christ and was indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and was a preacher (agent) for God, he could never change and become an agent for Satan.

 

[DadBurnett]

MY COMMENTS:

Answers on 1. No! When a man dies he is dead until resurrected.

In death, the grave, there is no knowledge, no remembrance, no praise etc:

Psa. 6:5 "For in death there is no remembrance of thee; in Sheol who can give you praise?"

Psa. 30:9 "What profit will there be in my blood when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? Shall it declare thy truth."

Psa. 88:10-12 "Will Thou show wonders to the dead? Shall the dead arise and praise thee? ...Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? And thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?"

Psa. 115:17 "The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

As the Lord told Adam after the fall, "By the sweat of your brow you will eat food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." Gen3:19, NIV.

2. If a man was a believer in christ and was indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and was a preacher (agent) for God, he could never change and become an agent for Satan.

I note with uterest that your response is of the Old Testament, Jesus, in the NT (Luke 23) introduced a different perspective with his visit to the unsaved between his death and ressurrection. Jesus did not sleep between death and ressurrection. Moreover, he said to the thief on the cross, I say unto you, today you shall be with me in paradise. He did not in any way alude to going to sleep after death ...

 

[AlsoAnima]

1. If a man dies, can he become a agent for God or Satan? Sort of like a Co-Demon/Co-Angel?

Perhaps, but humans are higher creatures than Angels or Demons.

2. Is it possible for a man to become a Agent to Satan? I mean, if a man can become a agent of God (preacher/priest/w/e) couldn't it be possible in turn for them to become a man of Satan?

That's nothing that says it's impossible for a person to become such, but sociopaths asside, I think human nature rebels against the idea.

 

[lockyfan]

Here are some questions that hit me:

1. If a man dies, can he become a agent for God or Satan? Sort of like a Co-Demon/Co-Angel?

2. Is it possible for a man to become a Agent to Satan? I mean, if a man can become a agent of God (preacher/priest/w/e) couldn't it be possible in turn for them to become a man of Satan?

You can not become an agent of either but a sharer in their works

and there is a choice we must all make a there is no "fence sitting

1 Corinthians 1:21
YOU cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah” and the table of demon


Matthew 6:24
No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. YOU cannot slave for God and for Riches


1 John 18-20
We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one.