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That was Old T, but Jesus gave us a New T and said "Don't do that stuff", but it seems Joseph Smith chose to ignore him..
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Questions about Christianity and Mormonism
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That was Old T, but Jesus gave us a New T and said "Don't do that stuff", but it seems Joseph Smith chose to ignore him..
I'm so sick of the 'Oh that's Tanakh stuff, that doesn't matter'. It seemed to matter a whole lot to your Jesus and he used it as the basis of his own teachings.That was Old T, but Jesus gave us a New T and said "Don't do that stuff", but it seems Joseph Smith chose to ignore him..
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Took the words right out of my mouth. Besides when a mob of over 150 men attacks and shoots you, it can hardly be called a "gunfight".
Well...not just Joseph Smith. I recommend reading up on:That was Old T, but Jesus gave us a New T and said "Don't do that stuff", but it seems Joseph Smith chose to ignore him..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War
for example.
Thank you.
The second sentence literally says this:
“...we don’t believe in the traditional concept of the Trinity.”
This tells us which explanation of the Trinity they do not believe in.
Believing in the traditional concept of the Trinity is NOT a requirement for being a Christian. Many Christians do not accept that concept. There is NO explanation of the trinity that all Christians must agree on.
Mormons believe in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They believe Jesus is Savior. That makes them Christians.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Not in the same way. They mean something different, even though they use the same words. If you inquire more fully, you find that they have a different concept of what "God the son" means.
Not in the same way as whom? As I’ve said before, there are many Christian explanations of the persons of the trinity, it makes no difference what their’s is. There is no one single explanation that all Christians agree with.
IndigoChild5559 , can you help me understand something: why do you, as a Jewish person, care how other people delaminate their faith groupings?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I don't appreciate dishonesty, that's why.
Is it dishonesty to have a different view of things?
Your view is that "Christian" is defined by the post-Biblical councils (correct me if I'm wrong). My view is that "Christian" is simple disciple of Christ.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I have no problem with people who have differences of opinions. Indeed, I thrive on talking to people who disagree with me -- it stretches my brain. I'm very much for diversity of thought.
But wouldn't it bother you if someone who was a Progressive tried to say that they were Republican? We have labels for a reason -- labels tell us which vegetable is in the can. If someone puts carrots into the can, and sticks a label on it that says corn, taht's just a wrong thing to do.
The MANY ways in which people use the term "Republican" is actually a great example of people having different views of a term. And yes, I acknowledge that- it's not dishonest at all.
And yes "vegetable" is a term defined differently in different circles too.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You cannot be a progressive and be a republican. You cannot be carrots and say that you are corn. You cannot be a henotheist and say that you are monotheist.
Again, I disagree because it all depends on the definitions being used and those definitions vary.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me as to what I supposedly believe about "God the Son."
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Oh well now, you are asking me for my personal religious opinoin. You realize I'm a Jew? Since you ask, there is no God the Son. There is only One God, and he doesn't have baby gods. That's MHO.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
But why do you think Mormons would identify as Christians if they did not genuinely believe themselves to be Christians? What would you have us say? Maybe something like, "I am a person who believes Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior who was sent to earth to reconcile mankind to God? I try to honor him in all I say and do, and I worship Him along with God the Father and the Holy Ghost, who together comprise the Godhead. I pray to God the Father and do so in His Son's Holy Name. But God forbid that I might have misled you! Please don't call me a Christian!"
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
That's not what I'm asking you at all! Reread my post if necessary and stop putting words into my mouth.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I'm not oversimplifying it. If anything, you are. Christianity was incredibly fractured by even the beginning of the second century, and the schisms continued to grow after that. None of the competing theologies were firmly established during Christianity's early years and the fact that Roman Catholicism and the doctrine of the Trinity ultimately prevailed and the other groups faded pretty much into oblivion is proof of nothing more than that the winners write the history. It sounds almost as if you think that the concepts first formalized in the Nicene and Athanasian creeds were almost universally accepted by Christians ever since the post-apostolic period began. And when it comes to the council at Nicaea, that gathering was not even convened by (or attended by!) the Pope. The nature of God was decided by majority vote and dissenters were exiled. And somehow, the decision made at that one council has come to define Christianity in some people's minds. How pathetic.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Really? While monogamy has always been the norm in Jewish and Christian societies, I must have missed where the Bible says, "Don't do that stuff." Could you point me to the precise chapter and verse in which we are told that?That was Old T, but Jesus gave us a New T and said "Don't do that stuff", but it seems Joseph Smith chose to ignore him..