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Questions about Judaism

sunsplash

Freckled
Let me first state that I am here to learn and my intentions are not to debate anything when I ask questions - I am merely looking for explanation for things I do not understand. So please, don't be on the defensive - I have nothing but respect for all religions.


I'm having a hard time understanding Jewish race vs. Jewish religion. Is the G-d of Judaism the G-d and father of all nations or only the Jewish race? I'm not implying that their are multiple gods, only asking if G-d is G-d to everyone.

It was written in this DIR in a different thread that G-d only commanded the Jews to worship one G-d, so that Christians and their trinity concept are not violating that law. Why if G-d is G-d to everyone, are there a different set of rules? Aren't Christians violating or blaspheming against G-d by believing Jesus is also G-d? I'm just trying to understand how it can be acceptable to G-d for people to put so much emphasis on a man. :confused:

How do Jews view other religions, Abrahamic and non?

Are there any recommendations for a Tanakh that is well translated and not difficult for a lamen to understand?

What emphasis is put on the Talmud and why is it important?

What is the Jewish understanding of the purpose of life? Is there an "afterlife" concept in Judaism?

Thanks in advance. :) I'm sure I'll have more questions as we go along.
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
Let me first state that I am here to learn and my intentions are not to debate anything when I ask questions - I am merely looking for explanation for things I do not understand. So please, don't be on the defensive - I have nothing but respect for all religions.
Feel welcome to ask questions.

I'm having a hard time understanding Jewish race vs. Jewish religion. Is the G-d of Judaism the G-d and father of all nations or only the Jewish race? I'm not implying that their are multiple gods, only asking if G-d is G-d to everyone.

There is no Jewish race, but there is a Jewish People. The G-d of Noah is the same G-d as the G-d of the Jewish People, and it's obvious the Covenant that G-d makes with Noah is a Covenant for all of humanity, if one accepts at least the spirit of the event.

It was written in this DIR in a different thread that G-d only commanded the Jews to worship one G-d, so that Christians and their trinity concept are not violating that law. Why if G-d is G-d to everyone, are there a different set of rules? Aren't Christians violating or blaspheming against G-d by believing Jesus is also G-d? I'm just trying to understand how it can be acceptable to G-d for people to put so much emphasis on a man.

Non-Jews are allowed to have what are known as 'Intermediaries' otherwise called 'personal gods'. So long as these intermediaries are considered lesser to G-d and not in competition to G-d, nor are credited with being a creator god, they are allowed such gods. Of course, it would be better to pray only to G-d. That is why many Christians pray to G-d 'in the name of' their Jesus. They don't pray to their Jesus directly. In fact, every People (other than the Jews) already have an 'intermediary' angel assigned by G-d.

Are there any recommendations for a Tanakh that is well translated and not difficult for a lamen to understand?
There's an excellent thread on this topic, I just bumped it. ;)

That's all I have time for now...
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
...So please, don't be on the defensive ...

Your questions seem perfectly reasonable. I don't know what there is to be defensive about. But thank you for the consideration.

... Jewish race vs. Jewish religion? Is the G-d of Judaism the G-d and father of all nations...?

Generally speaking, the predominate belief in Rabbinic Judaism (that is, the Judaism we recognize as our Judaism, which is centered on Torah study, prayer, and the observance of the commandments as interpreted by the Rabbis of the Talmud and their successors; as opposed to Israelite Judaism, which is, loosely speaking, the religion of the Tanakh, and had slightly different theologies, and was centered on the practice of sacrifices in the Temples) has been that there is only one God. In ancient times, the theology tended to dictate the idea that ours was the only true God, and the gods of other peoples were all false gods. However, over the centuries, there have been evolutions in Rabbinic thought on this matter, and generally speaking, the bulk of Jews today believe that other religions are, at best, God's covenants with other peoples, and represent Him asking different things from them; or, at worst, represent the attempts of other peoples to worship God, even if they end up distorting some of the ideas. Many if not most non-Orthodox Jews, and some Modern Orthodox Jews, hold closer to the former idea. Many if not most Ultra-Orthodox Jews hold closer to the latter idea.

That said, it is important to note, not only in this matter, but in every matter, that there is not necessarily one correct set of opinions in Judaism. Judaism is a religion of questions and debates, not a religion of catechistic answers and dogmas. There is an old joke that says that where there are two Jews, there will be three opinions. Most Jews I know add "...at least!" There is room for this in Judaism, because we have a concept called machloket l'shem shamayim, which literally translated means "dispute for the sake of Heaven," but idiomatically, it means that different authorities can have different interpretations of text and Jewish law, and if their intent is to come closer to God, to observe the commandments properly, and to do right by their fellow people, then the dispute must be tolerated and respected, and both viewpoints are held to be fair and potentially correct: one need only commit to one of them and follow it.

The religion/race thing is a tough question, because it doesn't happen much. Judaism is what is sometimes called a socioreligious ethnicity. It is both a religion-- that is, a philosophy of life and path to spiritual awareness and advancement-- and also a people, with common customs, language, and folkways, drawn out of Jewish law and tradition. Granted, within the people of Israel are many subcultures or sub-ethnicities, which can vary widely in their particular customs and linguae franca and even appearance. But Hebrew is the Jewish language, Jews all celebrate the same holidays, and observe many of the same customs and rites. The religion and the peoplehood are intertwined inextricably. One cannot be one or the other: one is always both (one's religious practice might be incomplete, or lacking, or even transgressive, but according to Jewish law: once a Jew, always a Jew).

This is why there are only two ways to acquire Jewish identity: either one must be born a Jew (by which we mean that one's mother is a Jew; the Reform movement holds that it is also enough if one's father is a Jew, but other Jews do not share this idea, and it is the source of considerable friction in the Jewish world), or one must go through the prescribed ritual of conversion to Judaism. This ritual involves three or four things: one must engage in a course of study, to learn what is needful (basic Hebrew, prayer skills, how to observe the commandments, etc.) and commit to further learning later, one must appear before a court of three rabbis (or, in an emergency, any three scholarly members of the Jewish community) and abjure all other religions and commit oneself to the covenants of Abraham and Sinai, one must immerse oneself in the mikveh (a ritual bath filled with "living water," usually filtered rainwater or melted glacial ice-- it can be heated!), and if one is a male then one must be circumcised (if one is already circumcised, a single drop of blood is ritually drawn from the circumcision scar).

... Why if G-d is G-d to everyone, are there a different set of rules? Aren't Christians violating or blaspheming against G-d by believing Jesus is also G-d? How do Jews view other religions, Abrahamic and non?

There is no agreement among Jewish authorities, historically, as to why God permits or even encourages multiple religions. The most general consensus is that it has to do with human free will. The overall historical viewpoint of Jewish authority has been that the set of rules God gave to the Jewish people, which we call Torah, were only ever intended to bind the Jewish people. So what is forbidden to us may be permitted for others. Thus, we say that other religions are appropriate for other peoples, and do not represent blasphemy; but if a Jew were to adopt such beliefs and practices, it would be prohibited and blasphemous for that person.

Historically, the belief in Jesus as god has been very problematic for Jews. The great medieval Jewish authorities decreed that, because even trinitarian Christians believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are merely three parts of a single whole, Christians therefore are also monotheists, and must be treated as such. The traditional opinion about Jesus as god is that it is simply an error, and that Christians, in seeking to worship the One God, have had their views distorted, and eventually it is to be hoped that their theology will evolve to return to a purer monotheism. Modern Jews generally feel that, since the prophets tell us that deeds of lovingkindness and justice are of paramount importance, the problematic nature of the belief of Jesus' divinity is of less significance than whether individual Christians are people who do good deeds; and since, in my experience at least, most are, we usually shrug it off, unless missionaries try to convert us, which we really hate.

In general, many non-Orthodox and Modern Orthodox Jews today try to take the viewpoint that God may choose very different aspects and messages to reveal to different peoples.

Are there any recommendations for a Tanakh that is well translated and not difficult for a lamen to understand?

Let me come back to this.

What emphasis is put on the Talmud and why is it important?

The Talmud is of key importance. We traditionally understand that the Written Torah was always intended to be interpreted in light of an oral tradition. That oral tradition was finally set down in writing itself, lest it be lost during the chaos of the Roman conquest and persecutions. That Oral Torah is centered in what we call the Talmud, which is a collection of many disparate writings by many rabbis over many centuries. The first part is a legal code called the Mishnah, written in Hebrew, which was edited into its final form around 225 CE; the second is an amalgamation of commentary, exegetical parables, moral teachings, and legal precedents and debate, written in Aramaic, called Gemara. The Gemara was edited into something akin to its final form around 500 CE. Together, they not only teach us the foundations of what the laws in the Torah are supposed to mean, but they teach us the methodology for continued exegesis and debate, and the eternal refinement of interpreting the Torah. In a certain sense, modern Judaism is a religion of the Talmud far more than of the Tanakh.

What is the Jewish understanding of the purpose of life? Is there an "afterlife" concept in Judaism?

There are dozens of different views on this. Generally speaking, the "purpose of life" is twofold, according to the main stream of Jewish thought: first, to perfect the world into just and peaceful world wherein none are oppressed and God is worshipped freely by all; second, to perfect ourselves and become more just and full of lovingkindness, and draw spiritually closer to God. How one does these things, what it looks like to do them, and other such details can vary immensely from authority to authority and community to community.

Most Rabbinic Jews, historically, have believed in some kind of afterlife. There is an afterlife called Olam ha-Ba, "the world to come," which is more or less Heaven. Pretty much everyone traditionally has believed that good people go there; but there is considerable disagreement over whether evil people's souls are just reabsorbed into the Divine and cease to exist as individuals, or whether there is some kind of purgatory-type place where they can work off their sins, or whether there is some kind of reincarnation, where one can come back and learn more wisdom and do more good deeds, until one is qualified to enter the world to come. Typically, such debates are seen in the main stream of Jewish thought as being of relatively secondary importance, since what is of primary importance is how one behaves in this world.
 

sunsplash

Freckled
Thank you for the responses. I prefaced the OP with please don't be defensive, because a few times that I've asked specific questions about someone's religion, more people than I expected jumped to the conclusion that I was looking for a debate instead of simple and genuine inquiries. I appreciate your accommondating me and taking the time to explain what I am trying to understand. :)

I really like the afterlife concept(s) and how that isn't the "focus," it existing without "rules" or "threats" is simple and beautiful.

Is there a specific message that Judaism tries to teach its followers? Christians have "salvation," Dharmic religions seem to focus on enlightenment...etc.

Is the Hebrew language unchanged over the centuries or are there dialects that present difficulties in translation (I'm thinking along the lines of Spain Spanish vs. Central American Spanish...sometimes have the same words but new meanings even though the overall language is the same)? How old is the language accepted to be?
 
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Levite

Higher and Higher
Is there a specific message that Judaism tries to teach its followers? Christians have "salvation," Dharmic religions seem to focus on enlightenment...etc.

I'm not sure Judaism has quite the same kind of highly specific goal. Generally, the answer people tend to give to questions like this is tikkun olam, or "Repairing/Perfecting the World." This is a somewhat vague concept that has had numerous definitions over the years, but what is usually meant these days is an attempt to create a world in which justice is universal, poverty is completely controlled, peace reigns between the nations, and everyone worships God effectively-- which for the Jews means that we would all somehow become united again and all dedicated to the practice of Judaism, though personally I imagine it will be less a union per se and more a rapprochement wherein we all finally learn to tolerate differences of opinion.... In such a world, we would all be free to focus on spiritual development.

More practically, the general guideline for what to strive for in a Jewish life can be readily summed up by a famous maxim from the Mishnah (Pirke Avot): "The world rests on three things: on Torah, on serving God, and on deeds of lovingkindness." The maxim is actually a little difficult to translate, because "serving God" can also mean "prayer," and the word "lovingkindness" is a modern coinage which attempts to render the untranslatable Hebrew word chesed. Chesed is something much deeper and more powerful than compassion, but it is more compassionate and empathetic than mere justice. There simply is no English equivalent for the word. It more or less represents something which is done for the good of others, freely and without thought of compensation, in part because one truly empathizes with others and wishes to alleviate their suffering and bring them wisdom or joy, and in part because one is truly motivated to do what is just in the eyes of God. Chesed is that, and more. But the idea that the study of Torah, prayer and service to God, and deeds of chesed represent the foundations of a good Jewish life are fairly universal. Precisely how one interprets the details of those things may vary, but the broad concept is fairly constant.

Is the Hebrew language unchanged over the centuries or are there dialects that present difficulties in translation (I'm thinking along the lines of Spain Spanish vs. Central American Spanish...sometimes have the same words but new meanings even though the overall language is the same)? How old is the language accepted to be?

There have certainly been shifts and evolutions in the language. Biblical Hebrew is not quite the same as Talmudic Hebrew, which is not quite the same as Medieval Hebrew, which is definitely not the same thing as Modern Hebrew. Some texts in Biblical Hebrew are also quite poetic, which of course is its own challenge; and a couple are heavily diluted with Aramaic. By the same token, in the medieval period, some Hebrew texts are diluted with some other linguistic borrowings, but for the most part, Hebrew was maintained as a sacred language, and instead, Hebraicized dialects of whatever the local lingua franca was were developed. So, for example, Yiddish is a dialect of German and Eastern European Jews, which represents a fusion of Hebrew and Middle High German, with later regional additions from some other languages, such as Polish, Hungarian, Ukrainian, and Russian. Ladino or Spaniolit represents a fusion of Hebrew and Medieval Spanish, although similar dialects were also spun off involving fusions of Hebrew with Portuguese, Catalan, Provencal, and Turkish. There are Judaeo-Greek, Judaeo-Arabic, Judaeo-Farsi, and Judaeo-Kurdish, and several more such fascinating creoles.

Modern Hebrew is much more precisely and intentionally formalized than previous Hebrews, and some very imaginative and philologically creative coinages have become standard usage. That said, Modern Hebrew as it is spoken in Israel has also become rather infused with Anglicisms, some borrowed from British English in pre-1948 British Palestine, more borrowed from American movies and TV shows more recently. Modern Hebrew is also deeply fond of slang and acronyms (which, because of the nature of Hebrew writing-- Hebrew, which has an entirely consonantal alphabet, is generally written or printed without the diacritical vowel markings-- which permits acronyms to be read or coined as speakable words), and the most difficult challenge most non-Israeli Hebrew speakers have is being able to read an Israeli newspaper. Novels, poetry, plays, and so forth-- no problem. But newspaper Hebrew is a nightmare to most non-Israelis.

But the primary differences in Hebrew, historically, have been between poetic Hebrew and prose Hebrew. Many fluent speakers of Modern Hebrew find sections of the Tanakh difficult going without training in Bible, likewise some of the denser medieval poems and liturgies. But when it comes to clearly written prose, most educated speakers of Modern Hebrew have (in my experience) no more difficulty reading the Hebrew of the Mishnah or the Hebrew of Moses Maimonides's legal code Mishneh Torah than an educated speaker of Modern English would have reading Shakespeare or the King James. Even a large part of the Tanakh, if not most of the Tanakh, is still infinitely easier for a Modern Hebrew speaker to understand than is Beowulf in the original Anglo-Saxon for a speaker of Modern English.
 

sunsplash

Freckled
If one is considering conversion, what questions would a rabbi ask to make sure the intended is on the right path?

What does a person looking to see if Judaism fits need to ask his/herself?

What core beliefs align a person to the Jewish faith and which beliefs aren't compatible at all?

If a potential convert is married with a very young child, the spouse isn't interested in converting, but the child would raised primarily Jewish with an understanding of the former faith, is it unlikely they would be welcomed into the Jewish community? Would conversion be denied?

Is it possible, if conversion wasn't allowed, to be a practicing member of the Jewish faith but just have to deny the title of being Jewish?

What are the key differences between Reform, Reconstructionist, Humanist, and Conservative?
 

Rakhel

Well-Known Member
If one is considering conversion, what questions would a rabbi ask to make sure the intended is on the right path?
One of the biggest is, "Why are you interested?" The questions following may vary in difficulty

What does a person looking to see if Judaism fits need to ask his/herself?
Exactly what do I believe, why do I believe it, and Can I live with myself believing it?

What core beliefs align a person to the Jewish faith and which beliefs aren't compatible at all?
Maimonides 13 principles of Faith is a good place to start.

If a potential convert is married with a very young child, the spouse isn't interested in converting, but the child would raised primarily Jewish with an understanding of the former faith, is it unlikely they would be welcomed into the Jewish community?
depends on the community
Would conversion be denied?
That depends on the Rabbi and the Bet Din

Is it possible, if conversion wasn't allowed, to be a practicing member of the Jewish faith but just have to deny the title of being Jewish?
absolutely. that would be encouraged of you if you go to an orthodox rabbi. These called Noahides.

What are the key differences between Reform, Reconstructionist, Humanist, and Conservative?
This is too complicated a question for me to answer.
 

sunsplash

Freckled
Maimonides 13 principles of Faith is a good place to start.

I understand the existance of G-d, that he is one and not many. But the part about him being indivisible I don't understand (I'm sure owed to a Christian brainwashing, uh-hem, I mean upbringing). Does the Jewish thought not include that G-d is apart of all he created? And if he is all-powerful, how is it not possible that he could divide himself in any way to connect with believers? If G-d is G-d and can do anything, how is it that he is limited to that - or am I misunderstanding something? When he spoke to Moses through the burning bush, the bush was not G-d, correct? So what was that? If a manifestation, how is that not a division of himself?


absolutely. that would be encouraged of you if you go to an orthodox rabbi. These called Noahides.

What is the difference between a Jew and a Noahide then? Are they just faithful practitioners not bound by the laws they follow? Are Noahides allowed to worship in a synagogue with Jews? What do Jews think of Noahides?
 

Rakhel

Well-Known Member
WOW!!! Slow down and take a breather.
I haven't seen this many questions in one breath since I asked them myself.

I understand the existance of G-d, that he is one and not many. But the part about him being indivisible I don't understand (I'm sure owed to a Christian brainwashing, uh-hem, I mean upbringing). Does the Jewish thought not include that G-d is apart of all he created? And if he is all-powerful, how is it not possible that he could divide himself in any way to connect with believers? If G-d is G-d and can do anything, how is it that he is limited to that - or am I misunderstanding something? When he spoke to Moses through the burning bush, the bush was not G-d, correct? So what was that? If a manifestation, how is that not a division of himself?
You will get a different answer from different people. The burning bush is like the 3 men who visited Abraham and the backside of G-d when Moses was on Mt Sinai. He was there, but he wasn't there at the same time. Further, it is not He who is limited, it is us. Moses was told "no man can live who see my face."




What is the difference between a Jew and a Noahide then? Are they just faithful practitioners not bound by the laws they follow? Are Noahides allowed to worship in a synagogue with Jews? What do Jews think of Noahides?
The biggest difference between a Jew and a Noahide are the laws in which they follow. A Jew has 613 laws they must know, as well as, which laws pertain to them as a whole and individually. A Noahide, or righteous person, is only required to follow 7 laws. They may attend services at a synagogue, though they are not count among the Minyan(minimum count of males). As for what Jews think of Noahides? I think Chabadniks have a more favorable outlook on Noahides than they do Christians. The rest of us...it varies by community.
 

Dena

Active Member
If one is considering conversion, what questions would a rabbi ask to make sure the intended is on the right path?

It really depends on the situation. I my own I had written down where I had been and why I was there so I shared that with each Rabbi before out meeting. So, they had some understanding before we even met. I would imagine they would ask things like why are you there, what religion were you born into, have you practiced any other, why are you interested in Judaism, what is the religion of your spouse, etc.

What does a person looking to see if Judaism fits need to ask his/herself?

That is a tough question. Did you seek out Judaism in particular or were you looking for something and found Judaism?

What core beliefs align a person to the Jewish faith and which beliefs aren't compatible at all?

I am going to say this is somewhat dependent on your community. Though, Judaism is much about what you do and not just what you believe.

If a potential convert is married with a very young child, the spouse isn't interested in converting, but the child would raised primarily Jewish with an understanding of the former faith, is it unlikely they would be welcomed into the Jewish community? Would conversion be denied?

That would depend on the Rabbi, the community the potential convert and the spouse. Orthodoxy is out but within the Reform and Conservative movement, it's not an automatic denial. I am married and both the Reform and Conservative Rabbis in my area will work with me.

What are the key differences between Reform, Reconstructionist, Humanist, and Conservative?

There are many differences. Have you looked these things up? I think you should be able to find some information online. Levite could probably explain them pretty well too. I know the differences in my area but I don't know how much those carry over to every other city. There are so many general ideas that don't necessary carry over to individual shuls or individual people. In general, the Reform don't consider halacha binding (I wouldn't assume anyone involved with the movement feels that way) but the Conservatives do consider halacha binding and in order to convert you must commit to observance. I personally don't understand Reconstructionists very well so I'm no help.
 
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Levite

Higher and Higher
If one is considering conversion, what questions would a rabbi ask to make sure the intended is on the right path?

Well, I think s/he would want to know why you want to convert. Why are you unsatisfied by the religion you had before (presuming you had one), and why do you feel drawn to Judaism, and not to become something else? What do you like most in Judaism, and what do you not like (you're entitled not to like things!)? What do you see yourself doing as a Jew? What do you bring to the table: what can you contribute to the Jewish community? Those might be a few of the questions.

What does a person looking to see if Judaism fits need to ask his/herself?
First of all, I think one needs to ask oneself, why do I want to be Jewish? If you can't answer that for yourself, answering it for a rabbi will be the least of your problems.

Second of all, are you really prepared to be a Jew? Being Jewish is a lot of work. The rewards can be magnificent, but it is not easy. I'm not just talking about learning Hebrew, although that's extremely important. But to be a Jew means that you take it upon yourself to wrestle with the questions of life and death and good and evil in the world; you have taken it upon yourself to wrestle with Torah, and to figure out how to get ever more meaning from it; and you have taken it upon yourself to wrestle with God-- our name, Yisrael, literally means, "Who struggles with God"-- to seek answers that you can live with, answers that may not always be pleasant. Because Judaism is a religion of questions, of struggling, of being permanently in dialogue with God and the rest of the Jewish people throughout time. It is not a religion of pat answers. And you have to ask yourself, are you prepared to follow the commandments? Because it's not always simple, and sometimes sacrifices are asked of you. I don't just mean giving up pork products, or having to purchase two sets of dishes. I mean that if you're not already married, you'll have to commit to not marrying a non-Jew. You'll have to commit to one day raising your kids as Jews and educating them as Jews. You'll have to commit to observing the sabbath and the holidays, even when they don't always fall on convenient dates for your work or your school or your family vacation plans. And much more.

But if you can accept the responsibility to keep the commandments, the need to raise Jewish children, the necessity of struggling for meaning and answers.... Then ask yourself, how much do I love community and family? Because Judaism has a lot of those. How much do I love gorgeous rituals and beautiful liturgy and amazing song and poetry? Because Judaism has lots of all of those. How much do I love the chance for peacefulness, rest from the pressures of life, for reflection and philosophical talk, for jokes and stories, for meaningful study and debate? Because Judaism has lots of all those. How much do I love a culture that emphasizes dining together and lots of great food and wine? Because Judaism has a lot of that!

What core beliefs align a person to the Jewish faith and which beliefs aren't compatible at all?
You must believe that God is One. There are no other gods, nothing else worthy of worship but God, and that God is defined in part by His Oneness, and absolute indivisibility. You must believe that the One God is the Creator of the universe (and any other universes, dimensions, realms, or planes of existence there may be), the Source of All Life. You must believe God and the Jewish people are bound together in a covenantal relationship embodied in Torah (precisely what is meant by "embodied" and "Torah" can be subject to some discussion). You must believe that it is the responsibility of the Jews to be Jewish, and to keep the mitzvot (commandments) in some fashion. You must study Torah, even when you disagree with some of the things it says.

You must not accept the sacred texts of other religions as holy (for example, you may read the New Testament or the Quran, and you may acknowledge that they are holy to Christians or Muslims, but you may not accept them as holy or in any way binding upon yourself). You must not believe in any other power that is of equal or near stature to God (this includes Jesus, saints, or the gods of other religions). You must not physically represent God in any way, or believe that He can be represented in any physical way: no statues, icons, paintings, or other forms of representation. You must not partake of the core rituals of another religion (for example you may not take communion in a Christian church, or light a candle at a church, nor leave offerings at statues of saints). You may not wear or own the icons of another religion (no crosses, or crucifixes, Jesus fish, or any other symbols of other religions).
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
If a potential convert is married with a very young child, the spouse isn't interested in converting, but the child would be raised primarily Jewish w/ an understanding of the former faith...?

Any Orthodox rabbi would deny conversion in such a case. Many, if not most Conservative rabbis would be very hesitant and cautious about such a case: there would have to be a strong agreement for the child to be converted immediately, and to be raised very strongly as Jewish, and for any future children to be converted at birth (presuming the non-Jewish spouse is female) and raised strongly Jewish; it would also help if the non-converting spouse were simply unreligious, and not praciticing a competing religion in the home. Unless those agreements were given, my guess is the vast majority of Conservative rabbis would refuse to convert the person. The Reform movement will certainly convert such a person, though they might object if the child were actually going to be raised with two religions. A person converting under such circumstances would certainly be welcomed into the Reform community: they would almost certainly not be perceived as Jewish in the Conservative or Orthodox communities.

Is it possible, if conversion wasn't allowed, to be a practicing member of the Jewish faith but just have to deny the title of being Jewish?

Some will tell you yes. There is a movement that has arisen in the past ten or twenty years, mostly sponsored by the Chabad movement (a group of Hasidim, a segment of ultra-Orthodoxy), which is called Noahidism. It encourages participating non-Jews to commit to living according to the 7 commandments of the children of Noah, a set of commandments that, according to certain Rabbis of the Talmud, God gave to Noah and his sons, and to which all non-Jews are supposed to be obedient. This concept, which seems to have originally been just a midrash (an exegetical parable) was popular with many medieval writers, but no non-Jews have ever actually followed them per se until the last couple of decades. While I don't necessarily see the harm in the movement-- none of the commandments are unjust or unreasonable-- I find the concept of the movement itself to be...inauthentic. And I am by no means the only one to think so. Aside from the fact that the 7 Commandments are a Rabbinic invention, and likely never taken to be more than parable until recently, they are essentially a Jewish way of relating to the world. But a fundamental tenet of Jewish identity is that one is either Jewish or not Jewish. So if one feels that the requirements of Judaism are beyond them, don't be Jewish. There are plenty of quality ways to relate to God and find meaning in life and have sacred experiences. Nothing says everyone has to be Jewish, nor is everyone suited for Judaism. And that's okay. So I-- and many others-- would say no, if you can't convert, you can't be almost-Jewish, either. It's nothing personal: it's just the way that the boundaries of Jewish society are constructed.

What are the key differences between Reform, Reconstructionist, Humanist, and Conservative?

I sketched out the differences between Orthodox and Conservative in here. And I gave a thumbnail about Reconstructionism here.

The Reform movement is the major branch of Judaism that considers itself non-halakhic-- that is, they see Jewish Law as a guideline, but not actually laws that are mandatory and binding on all. The movement arose in Germany, in the early 19th century, after the beginning of the Enlightenment, and the freeing of Jews from the repressive anti-Jewish laws that all European countries had had since the Middle Ages (forbidding Jews from most professions, from living anywhere they liked, and forcing them to pay special taxes, etc.). Some Jews desired to assimilate into Enlightened European culture as full citizens. Thus, they sought to shed the traditions, customs, and observances that they felt marked them out and held them back from social acceptance and advancement. So they philosophically cut themselves off from the yoke of Jewish Law, and they began praying mostly in German, with only a sprinkling of Hebrew, and they redesigned their synagogues, synagogue rituals, liturgy, and even rabbinical attire to imitate German Lutheran Christianity. And as they mostly imitated the German Luthern Reformed Church, they called their movement Reform Judaism. The movement was exported to England and then to America, where it flourished greatly. Following WWII, America became the world center of Reform Judaism.

On the positive side, Reform Judaism has always encouraged the other movements to reconsider ideas, and has promoted social progressivism and religious openmindedness throughout its history. Reform Judaism has always led the way in embracing social justice issues, and in opening positive relations with non-Jews.

On the negative side, Reform Judaism tends to be the least Jewishly educated of the movements, by far. Without a structural framework of Jewish Law, the religion tends to become so diffuse and insubstantial that very little actually holds it together. The Reform movement is at present over 60% intermarried, and several decades ago they unilaterally espoused a doctrine of patrilineal descent (that is, you're born Jewish if your father is Jewish. But Judaism has always been matrilineal-- that is, you're born Jewish if your mother was Jewish), which has alienated the other movements, and caused considerable chaos and animus in the Jewish community at large.

Jewish Humanism is a tiny fringe movement, which I know little about. They seem to be cultural Jews (that is, Jews who claim their Jewish culture, but reject the practice of Jewish religion), and atheists, and they embrace intermarriage; although they do claim to have rabbis and synagogues. To be honest, it sounds kind of ridiculous to me. There is no separating the religion from the culture in Judaism: the two are inextricably linked. And what on earth would atheists want to form a synagogue for? If you take God and the commandments and the soul and prayer out of Judaism, what's left? Basically, it sounds to me like people who believe in being good folks and having bagels with lox....
 

Sufi

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Question for Levite (not meant as an attack) how do Jews/Judaism deal with the Anthropomorphic passages of the Torah how do they interpretate & deal with them in general.
 
Jewish Humanism is a tiny fringe movement, which I know little about. They seem to be cultural Jews (that is, Jews who claim their Jewish culture, but reject the practice of Jewish religion), and atheists, and they embrace intermarriage; although they do claim to have rabbis and synagogues. To be honest, it sounds kind of ridiculous to me. There is no separating the religion from the culture in Judaism: the two are inextricably linked. And what on earth would atheists want to form a synagogue for? If you take God and the commandments and the soul and prayer out of Judaism, what's left? Basically, it sounds to me like people who believe in being good folks and having bagels with lox....

I don't know too much about Jewish Humanism, but, I always assumed, they identifed as Jewish, and performed the various rituals, and rites of passages (e.g. circumcision for males, Bar & Bat Mitzvah's, etc), but, they choose not to believe in God (or, maybe, they might believe in some kind of Deist-like figure, a God/Higher Force that started things off, but, doesn't interfere (e.g. no burning bushes, parting of the Red Sea, etc)). I'm just going off some of the Jewish Atheist blogs I've read, though.

I don't know anything about Humanistic Synagogues and Rabbis.
 
You must believe that God is One. There are no other gods, nothing else worthy of worship but God, and that God is defined in part by His Oneness, and absolute indivisibility. You must believe that the One God is the Creator of the universe (and any other universes, dimensions, realms, or planes of existence there may be), the Source of All Life. You must believe God and the Jewish people are bound together in a covenantal relationship embodied in Torah (precisely what is meant by "embodied" and "Torah" can be subject to some discussion). You must believe that it is the responsibility of the Jews to be Jewish, and to keep the mitzvot (commandments) in some fashion. You must study Torah, even when you disagree with some of the things it says.

I hope it's ok to ask, as I know I'm not the OP, but, I understand that concept of believing God is One, but, since to be a Jew means to wrestle with God, and constantly find new answers, or questions, would it be considered permissable to believe God has other relationships with other people (I remember reading one of the Stories in Howard Schwartz' 'Tree of Souls' that said God can appear as many, but, in reality, God is One (that's not an exact quote, BTW)), I kind of took that to mean that God could appear to a Hindu, or a Neo-Pagan, or whoever, under different forms, but, that wouldn't, necessarily, undermine "his" Onenss.

Thanks for any help.

BTW, I really like the sound of the other things in the list, a lot of them are things I love about Judaism (which is probably why I'm leaning towards it).
 
Question for Levite (not meant as an attack) how do Jews/Judaism deal with the Anthropomorphic passages of the Torah how do they interpretate & deal with them in general.

I'm sure there are Jews who know far more, but, I always thought they were meant to be understood as metaphors. One book I'm reading (or trying to when I have time anyway) right now is David Sheinkin's 'Path of the Kabbalah', and I think he says that, from a Jewish Mystical POV, the passages that are anthropomorphc aren't to be thought of as God (or Ain Sof, the Limitless as the Kabbalists call God), I think they're considered the Sefirot or something.

That said, that's only from some things I've read, obvously, I'm sure some actual Jews, like Levite, and others, can explain things further.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Question for Levite (not meant as an attack) how do Jews/Judaism deal with the Anthropomorphic passages of the Torah how do they interpretate & deal with them in general.

That's a perfectly good question-- not at all an attack.

We understand the anthropomorphisms in the Torah, the rest of the Tanakh, the Talmud, and those we commonly use in our liturgy as metaphors. Most people find it very difficult to relate to the Infinite: Ein Sof ("The Endless," the Kabbalistic name for the ultimately transcendant aspect of God in His Infiniteness) seems very remote and impersonal. And we believe in a personal God, one who is not only infinite and transcendant, but also immanent and indwelling. So we talk in Jewish mysticism about the emanations of God (sefirot, we call them, from the root s.f.r, having to do with numbering, reading, and storytelling, having an implication therefore of a multiplicity of aspects of God to which we can relate with the use of metaphor and idiom). And it is through those emanations that most of us relate to God most of the time, using the poetic images of a king or queen, a husband or wife, a lover or a brother or sister, and so forth. And though we do believe that God is capable of emotion (how, after all, could we be capable of something which our Creator is not?), we use the language of human emotions as an analogy, hyperbolic metaphors to describe what we think God may feel or think.

And sometimes, the images are only images: the prophets often speak in poetry; the Rabbis of the Talmud speak in midrash (exegetical parable)-- and those are not meant to be taken literally.

I hope it's ok to ask, as I know I'm not the OP, but, I understand that concept of believing God is One, but, since to be a Jew means to wrestle with God, and constantly find new answers, or questions, would it be considered permissable to believe God has other relationships with other people (I remember reading one of the Stories in Howard Schwartz' 'Tree of Souls' that said God can appear as many, but, in reality, God is One (that's not an exact quote, BTW)), I kind of took that to mean that God could appear to a Hindu, or a Neo-Pagan, or whoever, under different forms, but, that wouldn't, necessarily, undermine "his" Oneness.

Yeah, many Jewish authorities historically, and most Jews today, believe that God has other relationships with other peoples (in that sense, Jews being a "chosen" people is not thought to imply exclusivity-- we're chosen for the mission of being Jews; other peoples may be chosen for other responsibilities), and can be experienced by them in different ways. That's the usual explanation for tolerating Christianity and Islam, and these days many Jewish authorities apply the same principle to Hinduism and other religions that are apparently polytheistic, but actually are complex monistic animism. Generally the idea is that those ways of experiencing God may be okay for others, they're just not appropriate for us; but if God is ultimately seen as being One, most of us these days aren't going to press the issue about the complicating theologies surrounding it in other religions....
 

Sufi

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Thanks a lot for your reply Levite now i am interested in Theology in general but Islamic & Jewish theology fascinates me, i read somewhere on a Jewish website that certain Rabbi's of France held anthropomorphic views regarding the Creator and that Maimonides was opposed to their views i will cite the website/references for you.

In the will attributed to Maimonides )Igros Kushta, 277, p. 15), it is written about the Jews of France: "They speak despisingly of the Creator, blessed be He, in their books, and use anthropomorphic descriptions concerning the Creator, blessed be He, time and again."
http://www.daatemet.org/articles/article.cfm?article_id=94

Do you rely on Maimonides and what do you think about the whole matter?.
 
Yeah, many Jewish authorities historically, and most Jews today, believe that God has other relationships with other peoples (in that sense, Jews being a "chosen" people is not thought to imply exclusivity-- we're chosen for the mission of being Jews; other peoples may be chosen for other responsibilities), and can be experienced by them in different ways. That's the usual explanation for tolerating Christianity and Islam, and these days many Jewish authorities apply the same principle to Hinduism and other religions that are apparently polytheistic, but actually are complex monistic animism. Generally the idea is that those ways of experiencing God may be okay for others, they're just not appropriate for us; but if God is ultimately seen as being One, most of us these days aren't going to press the issue about the complicating theologies surrounding it in other religions....

Thanks, that helps explain a lot :).

David.
 

xkatz

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Sufi, most Jews do not believe in an anthropomorphic god. G-d we believe is formless, timeless, and above material existence.
 
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