Questions about the lord.

[turk179]

I had a few questions about God and his prophets. Can God change its mind? If it can, how would we know? There seems to be such a huge time span between prophets in biblical history, If I am not mistaken the last one was around the 1830's. With such a gap between the inspired word of God, how would we know if God has changed its mind about the choices to get a tattoo, get a divorce, have a homosexual relationship or anything else that is believed to be forbidden in the Bible?

 

[Abram]

Because the world has the same issues is did 2000 years ago. There were the same type of people with the same issuses. I suppose? There was divorce, and gays, murders, liers, false teachers back then. All ages battle the same battles as the last.

 

[turk179]

Because the world has the same issues is did 2000 years ago. There were the same type of people with the same issuses. I suppose? There was divorce, and gays, murders, liers, false teachers back then. All ages battle the same battles as the last.

But what if God decided that some of the forbidden things are not that bad. How would we find out with there being such a gap in prophets? Granted, I already believe that the examples that I gave are very much acceptable but how would we know if we have to wait a few hundred or thousand years to find out?

 

[Popeyesays]

But what if God decided that some of the forbidden things are not that bad. How would we find out with there being such a gap in prophets? Granted, I already believe that the examples that I gave are very much acceptable but how would we know if we have to wait a few hundred or thousand years to find out?

www.bahai.org

Regards,
Scott

 

[Abram]

But what if God decided that some of the forbidden things are not that bad. How would we find out with there being such a gap in prophets? Granted, I already believe that the examples that I gave are very much acceptable but how would we know if we have to wait a few hundred or thousand years to find out?

I like the tatoo one. I can see God sitting is his throne thinking. I got to get me one of those, but then my people will feel I decived them when they see me. So he sends us all these new tatoo show on tv to tells is it's okay. We'll get to heaven and he'll have a Jesus tatoo!

 

[finalfrogo]

:biglaugh: You know, my friend, I was just thinking of the Baha'is. They have a perfect answer for this.

 

[finalfrogo]

Yes, God can change His mind, because he is capable of anything; He is God after all. If you consider the old testament and new testament, He seems to change is mind between the two. I suppose some Christians or Muslims would say that the message they received from their particular prophet was final and timeless, and therefore remains absolute for the rest of eternity.

 

[Squirt]

I had a few questions about God and his prophets. Can God change its mind? If it can, how would we know? There seems to be such a huge time span between prophets in biblical history, If I am not mistaken the last one was around the 1830's. With such a gap between the inspired word of God, how would we know if God has changed its mind about the choices to get a tattoo, get a divorce, have a homosexual relationship or anything else that is believed to be forbidden in the Bible?

What a question to pose on a forum where there are so many members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! :bounce Obviously, our point of view is going to differ from that of other Christians, but since you have mentioned Biblical prophets in your OP, I'm assuming that you are directing your question to those who belong to the Abrahamic family of religons. From the LDS perspective, it is quite simply impossible for us to fully understand the will of God for us today simply by reading the Bible. The Bible tells us that God will do nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants, the Prophets. He has never said He's through talking to us.

For those who believe modern-day prophesy to be unnecessary, I would simply ask why? Is it because God no longer has the capability to communicate with mankind? Is it because we are so advanced that we no longer need Him? Is it because He has already covered everything we need to know? Is it because He no longer cares about us like He used to care about His children?

I believe that He speaks to a living prophet today and reveals His will to this individual just as He did anciently. I'm not going to proselytize; I'm just going to leave it at that.

 

[Mister Emu]

Personal revelation.

 

[finalfrogo]

Indeed. I believe the universe will manifest its messages for you through your own personal experiences.

 

[finalfrogo]

Yes, but does that mean importance on such issues does not oscillate? If new issues can be added, such as stem cell research, cannot issues also disappear?

 

[jonny]

I had a few questions about God and his prophets. Can God change its mind? If it can, how would we know? There seems to be such a huge time span between prophets in biblical history, If I am not mistaken the last one was around the 1830's. With such a gap between the inspired word of God, how would we know if God has changed its mind about the choices to get a tattoo, get a divorce, have a homosexual relationship or anything else that is believed to be forbidden in the Bible?

I don't look at it as God "changing his mind." I believe that God can make decisions to do what he wants and that these decisions might be different at different times for different people. The only way that we can know is through the Holy Spirit.

I believe if he were to give guidance that applies to the entire world that it would be through a prophet.

I believe that there is a prophet today. You can hear his latest remarks in this video:

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You can also read what he had to say here:
Seek ye the kingdome of God - http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,49-1-602-26,00.html
The need for greater kindness - http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,49-1-602-20,00.html

 

[EiNsTeiN]

I had a few questions about God and his prophets. Can God change its mind? If it can, how would we know? There seems to be such a huge time span between prophets in biblical history, If I am not mistaken the last one was around the 1830's. With such a gap between the inspired word of God, how would we know if God has changed its mind about the choices to get a tattoo, get a divorce, have a homosexual relationship or anything else that is believed to be forbidden in the Bible?

lets me tell u about Lord in islam....
when Lord created the universe, he knew every event that will happen, and everything was written in the book of fate...God didnt have to change His mind...

By the way, we in islam can not describe God by human properties, God describes Himself in them so that we can understand, but He told us that He is much greater than to be described by humanity properties...how come and is the one who created these properties and created the laws that run the universe?

God sent prophets through out the timeline of life, each prophet was sent with a message to a group of people, this message varies from age to age..
for example, when God sent Adam, He couldnt order him to tell his people to give money to poor, since people at that time were to few...or he couldnt forbidd sister and brother marraige, cuz people that time were only sisters and brothers..got my point?

sometimes God forbidded somethings on people, but allowed it to next generations, for example prevented jews to haunt in saterday (as i remember), but allowed it to christians..

Prophets were supported by miracles so that to prove their message, but most of people through out history disbelieved these miracles and claimed they were just magic..

Moreover, these miracles were charachterized by being crossponding to the age and the target of the message, for example, Moses was sent by magical miracles (although they wernt magic) in an age when all people concerned woth magic in Egypt..
Jesus was sent my medical miracles in the age of medical discovories in Roman empire...etc

Finally, God completed His message to people by prophet Mohammed (pbuh)..Mohammed said, that he is like the man who saw a very nice building, but lackes one block, and he was the one who added this block, while other blocks were added by previous prophets...

God created us, and created the environment we are living in...Everything in the universe worships Him, and only Him, and everything obeys His orders...when He asked the sea to split, it did (one of Moses miracles), when he orderd birds to drop stones on disbelievers so that to protect Ka'ba, they did (a miracle in the same year of the birth of Mohammed pubh)...
Thats why we need to obey God....imagine all the universe is worshipping Him, and u r the only one to disobey His orders, it's like u r moving in a reverse direction..

Thats why when u worship God from deep of ur heart, u can touch His support in ur life...

thank u for listening if u did

 

[turk179]

What a question to pose on a forum where there are so many members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! :bounce Obviously, our point of view is going to differ from that of other Christians, but since you have mentioned Biblical prophets in your OP, I'm assuming that you are directing your question to those who belong to the Abrahamic family of religons. From the LDS perspective, it is quite simply impossible for us to fully understand the will of God for us today simply by reading the Bible. The Bible tells us that God will do nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants, the Prophets. He has never said He's through talking to us.

For those who believe modern-day prophesy to be unnecessary, I would simply ask why? Is it because God no longer has the capability to communicate with mankind? Is it because we are so advanced that we no longer need Him? Is it because He has already covered everything we need to know? Is it because He no longer cares about us like He used to care about His children?

I believe that He speaks to a living prophet today and reveals His will to this individual just as He did anciently. I'm not going to proselytize; I'm just going to leave it at that.

I was thinking of the LDS when I made my comment about the last prophet from the 1830's(Joseph Smith). After checking out popeyesays's link I learned that Bahá’u’lláh lived around the same time period. I am not sure when each had their revelations to know which one was the last though.

I was left wanting more after reading your last comment but thanks to jonny I believe I know where you might have been going with that:bounce. I am going to look at his links now.

 

[dawny0826]

I had a few questions about God and his prophets. Can God change its mind? If it can, how would we know? There seems to be such a huge time span between prophets in biblical history, If I am not mistaken the last one was around the 1830's. With such a gap between the inspired word of God, how would we know if God has changed its mind about the choices to get a tattoo, get a divorce, have a homosexual relationship or anything else that is believed to be forbidden in the Bible?

Yes, God can certainly change His Mind. He is all powerful...all knowing. I doubt we would know.

As a Protestant Christian who associates somewhat with a Pentecostal congregation...I believe that the Bible IS the word of God and do not acknowledge any other Holy Book to be comparable with the Bible.

I think there are some great modern day prophets...and I accept those who prophesize and reiterate the Word (the Bible) to be credible.

 

[Squirt]

I was thinking of the LDS when I made my comment about the last prophet from the 1830's(Joseph Smith).

That's funny. I noticed that you mentioned 1830 and, of course, the date jumped out at me. But I just assumed it was a date you'd pulled out of the air and that it was just a coincidence!

 

[JesusIsGod]

God is perfect. There is no need for a perfect God to change His mind. If you are saying that God is changing His mind then I feel you are trying to manipulate the Word of God to your personal liking.
The need for prophets had ended with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Messiah. Jesus said in Mark 13:21-23, 21) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23) But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
A Comforter instead is promised to us to guide us, as stated by Jesus. In John 14:15-18 Jesus says, 15) If ye love love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you. 18) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

 

[turk179]

Yes, God can certainly change His Mind. He is all powerful...all knowing. I doubt we would know.

As a Protestant Christian who associates somewhat with a Pentecostal congregation...I believe that the Bible IS the word of God and do not acknowledge any other Holy Book to be comparable with the Bible.

I think there are some great modern day prophets...and I accept those who prophesize and reiterate the Word (the Bible) to be credible.

Dawny, do you think that if a modern day prophet of God said that one of Gods message to him was inconsistent with the Bible, would that be credible. I guess to answer my own question, it would depend on the credibility of the prophet but I would still be interested in your opinion.

That's funny. I noticed that you mentioned 1830 and, of course, the date jumped out at me. But I just assumed it was a date you'd pulled out of the air and that it was just a coincidence!

The 1830 comment was the main reason that I put this thread in the debates section(Joseph Smith has a way of bringing the debate out of people:bonk:.) I didn't think that modern day prophets were that accepted a thought but seeing others posts I believe that I was wrong. Good to know.

 

[dawny0826]

Dawny, do you think that if a modern day prophet of God said that one of Gods message to him was inconsistent with the Bible, would that be credible. I guess to answer my own question, it would depend on the credibility of the prophet but I would still be interested in your opinion.

I wouldn't consider the prophet credible at all if he or she was preaching biblical inconsistencies.

And when I doubt anything that is religious/spiritual in nature...I take it to Christ in prayer. I pray for spiritual confirmation.

 

[turk179]

God is perfect. There is no need for a perfect God to change His mind. If you are saying that God is changing His mind then I feel you are trying to manipulate the Word of God to your personal liking.

I never said that God did or would. I asked if it was possible and if so, how would we know. I have no need to manipulate the word of God because I don't believe in your God.

The need for prophets had ended with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Messiah. Jesus said in Mark 13:21-23, 21) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23) But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
A Comforter instead is promised to us to guide us, as stated by Jesus. In John 14:15-18 Jesus says, 15) If ye love love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you. 18) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

So you are saying that we will not know any new revelations by God until Jesus comes back and tells us there is something new? Why do we have to wait so long for something new?