Claims, claims everywhere, nor any drop of proof.
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Questions for God
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Trailblazer
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No, there is no proof, only evidence.
Then lay it out! Nobody ever does, did you know that?
Oh, yes, I get it. Somebody "said" something that "sounded right" and we announced his prophet-hood right away. But lots of people say lots of things that sound right, wrong, indifferent, stupid, mysterious or just plain mean, and we don't call any of it "evidence" for anything other than what's going on in their own heads.
So, do us all a favour. Next time you say "evidence," provide some of it.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I have laid it out on numerous occasions.
Been there, done that. I am not dumb enough to fall into that trap again.
Clearly they're not. Hence my question.
How does God know that there's nothing (about anything at all) that [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know?
The answer has to be logically sufficient in itself, not merely an appeal to authority or assertion.
Either works for me. I tend to let them lay eggs until they can't. Then they become a roast.
What sin? Sin is never mentioned at all, not even once, in the Garden story. Nor is there any suggestion of a resulting "Fall" of man. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Perfect vacuum.
If you want to know why God kicked Adam and Eve out, you only have to read Genesis 3:22-3.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That is because original sin is only a Christian doctrine, silly man.
InChrist
Free4ever
In my view, God did not create it all with a major flaw at all. I think He created it in the only way it could have been created, if His desire/plan was to create beings with freewill and the ability to respond freely in love, not as controlled, pre-programmed creations.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
I gave you the verses. They answer the question. This is the problem we've had in the past. I bring you the verses which answer the question, and you ignore them. You probably didn't even read the verses that I brought.
I gave you the answer, you are ignoring it.
If you are asking about the God of the bible, then the bible is the authority.
If you deny that authority, then, you are not being logical.
You are asking about the God of the bible and simultaneously denying what the bible says about God.
ppp
Well-Known Member
In your theology, did Eve have a knowledge of good and evil prior to eating the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
InChrist
Free4ever
Sin is defined as disobedience to God or elsewhere in the scriptures as the transgression of God’s law. The word sin doesn’t have to be mentioned in Genesis to understand that disobedience to God took place. Therefore, sin, the initial human sin was shown to have occurred in Genesis.
InChrist
Free4ever
I can’t say how much they knew “about”good and evil or what God had or would have shared with them on the subject. I definitely think prior to eating the forbidden fruit they did not have experiential knowledge of good and evil; meaning they had only known goodness, but had not experienced any evil to contrast with their state of goodness.
ppp
Well-Known Member
You know where this is going and you seem to be hedging with this "experiential knowledge" gambit. Unless you are claiming that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil mugged Eve when she ate of the fruit, she didn't have experiential knowledge after either. So. @YoursTrue, what knowledge did Eve have of evil before eating of the fruit?
Why do you think so?
Please explain what do you mean with variety of versions of God?
Ok, so Bible God is not in your opinion good enough to be called the God?
Life doesn't work like that and never has. Life lives its life than dies, if they sin or not
Sin being an infraction against a diety means, as sn atheist i cannot sin anyway.
No. They don't.
If that's wrong, please explain to me step by step how they demonstrate HOW God knows there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know.
How, not that.
God had denied Adam and Eve knowledge of good and evil.
Therefore when Eve ate the fruit, she did so in a state where it was impossible for her to intend to do wrong, and therefore she was incapable of sin.
And exactly the same is true of Adam.
And in the Garden story God never mentions sin, or that anyone sinned. [He] gives one and only one reason for kicking them out of the garden And since you've now read Genesis 3.22-23 you know what that reason is, and you know it has nothing to do with sin.
There's no coherent manner in which God can know there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know.
If that's wrong, just explain HOW God knows that.
Well, there's the henotheist God of the Torah, one of many gods but first among them. 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me', not, 'Ain't no other gods'. And very clearly in Judges 11:23-24, and in a number of the Psalms and so on.
Then there's the post-Babylonian captivity God who's the only God.
Then in the NT there's the Christian God who's abandoned [his] covenant with the Jewish people.
(Later on, in the fourth century the Christian God becomes triune, later again [he] becomes Eastern and Western, later again the Western god becomes Catholic and Protestant, later again the Protestant god splits into thousands of different sects, and somewhere in there are Mormonism, and Rastafarianism, and so on. But that's all outside the bible.)
The bible god is the god the questions in the OP are addressed to. Of course [he him]self never appears, says or does, so it's up to [his] followers to provide the answers, I'd say.