Questions the BB proponents have no answers for.

[Ted Evans]

IMO, it was obvious in my first post in this group what the intent was but I was very mistaken. No one seems to have grasped the intent or perhaps, just chose to ignore it. Therefore, I will state as clearly as I can the intent of this post.

I use, enjoy and believe in all science that can be proven as fact with empirical evidence. Civilization would not have advanced very far without science and I believe most honest people will agree that true science deserves respect and admiration. I even appreciate scientific hypothesis and scientific theories without which, there probably would not be a lot of scientific facts.

This is about cosmology creation and since, IMO, there could be no biological evolution without first having creation, I am posting in this category.

1) The entire focus is on “in the beginning”, IOW, before the BB that many, but not all believe in.

2) For there to be a BB, there had to be certain elements, according to natural laws, space being one of them.

3) When was space created? Some say at the BB so my questions would be for those.

4) Some believe that all elements required to create the universe were contained in the BB, the Dot, the Singularity.

5) IF, that is true, could those exist without space and if so, can it be proven with empirical evidence? I do not think so and for those that contend that space and time were created with the BB, that is a point that you cannot plausibly and logically explain.

6) Therefore, in order for the BB to exist, there had to be space, according to natural laws, to contain it before the “explosion/rapid expansion”, you cannot have it both ways, space was created before the BB or, there was no BB.

7) Which brings us back to where did space, time, energy and matter come from, in the beginning since it seems many, if not most, physicists believe the universe ihad a beginning.

9) When and how did the laws of nature come into being?


10) Now the intent of the post, to demonstrate there are a plethora of questions relative to the creation of the universe that science cannot answer, they have hypothesis, theories, beliefs, conjectures, speculations but no answers for much of how creation began and some contradictions.

 

[Jose Fly]

Ted, I still don't know what your point is. Let's try this again.

The origin of the universe is scientific mystery. Therefore ______________________?

 

[Stanyon]

It could have been aliens but we will never know for sure.

 

[Mister Silver]

Wise people say they don't know something instead of filling in the gaps of knowledge with something.

 

[Polymath257]

IMO, it was obvious in my first post in this group what the intent was but I was very mistaken. No one seems to have grasped the intent or perhaps, just chose to ignore it. Therefore, I will state as clearly as I can the intent of this post.

I use, enjoy and believe in all science that can be proven as fact with empirical evidence. Civilization would not have advanced very far without science and I believe most honest people will agree that true science deserves respect and admiration. I even appreciate scientific hypothesis and scientific theories without which, there probably would not be a lot of scientific facts.

This is about cosmology creation and since, IMO, there could be no biological evolution without first having creation, I am posting in this category.

1) The entire focus is on “in the beginning”, IOW, before the BB that many, but not all believe in.

2) For there to be a BB, there had to be certain elements, according to natural laws, space being one of them.

3) When was space created? Some say at the BB so my questions would be for those.

OK, good so far.

4) Some believe that all elements required to create the universe were contained in the BB, the Dot, the Singularity.

This is a misunderstanding. A singularity is simply a description that natural laws fail to apply. In this case, it *only* means that as we go further back, the density becomes large and we cannot go back further than a certain time.

Now, it is quite possible that there was no singularity. It hasn't been proven that such is required. if not, then space, time, matter, and energy all existed prior to the BB. Good enough?

If there *was* a singularity, it only makes sense to talk about 'after' that singularity, not 'prior to' or even 'at' that singularity. And after that singularity, space, time, matter, and energy all existed.

5) IF, that is true, could those exist without space and if so, can it be proven with empirical evidence? I do not think so and for those that contend that space and time were created with the BB, that is a point that you cannot plausibly and logically explain.

Your 'if' phrase isn't true, so the question is a non sequitur.

6) Therefore, in order for the BB to exist, there had to be space, according to natural laws, to contain it before the “explosion/rapid expansion”, you cannot have it both ways, space was created before the BB or, there was no BB.

And this is wrong because of what I said above.

7) Which brings us back to where did space, time, energy and matter come from, in the beginning since it seems many, if not most, physicists believe the universe ihad a beginning.

There isn't a 'come from'. There was not a 'before'.

9) When and how did the laws of nature come into being?

What makes you think that they did?

10) Now the intent of the post, to demonstrate there are a plethora of questions relative to the creation of the universe that science cannot answer, they have hypothesis, theories, beliefs, conjectures, speculations but no answers for much of how creation began and some contradictions.

And the effect of the post is to show you need to read a bit more about these topics because your questions assume things that are likely to be false.

 

[Ted Evans]

And the effect of the post is to show you need to read a bit more about these topics because your questions assume things that are likely to be false.

I see nothing but your opinions and since it has been irrefutably proven that you cannot answer questions as they are asked, I see no reason to believe your assertions. I put my trust in people that answer questions when asked, not make excuses, you can understand that, correct?

 

[Polymath257]

I see nothing but your opinions and since it has been irrefutably proven that you cannot answer questions as they are asked, I see no reason to believe your assertions. I put my trust in people that answer questions when asked, not make excuses, you can understand that, correct?

Which do you think are merely my opinions?

 

[Ted Evans]

Which do you think are merely my opinions?

Just my opinion but it is my belief that people who ask questions but refuse to answer them, and "questions" is plural, are hypocrites. Not meant to be rude, just my perspective.

 

[Polymath257]

Ah well, the answers I gave speak for themselves. I'm sorry if you are not satisfied with them.

 

[Nakosis]

IMO, it was obvious in my first post in this group what the intent was but I was very mistaken. No one seems to have grasped the intent or perhaps, just chose to ignore it. Therefore, I will state as clearly as I can the intent of this post.

I use, enjoy and believe in all science that can be proven as fact with empirical evidence. Civilization would not have advanced very far without science and I believe most honest people will agree that true science deserves respect and admiration. I even appreciate scientific hypothesis and scientific theories without which, there probably would not be a lot of scientific facts.

This is about cosmology creation and since, IMO, there could be no biological evolution without first having creation, I am posting in this category.

1) The entire focus is on “in the beginning”, IOW, before the BB that many, but not all believe in.

2) For there to be a BB, there had to be certain elements, according to natural laws, space being one of them.

3) When was space created? Some say at the BB so my questions would be for those.

4) Some believe that all elements required to create the universe were contained in the BB, the Dot, the Singularity.

5) IF, that is true, could those exist without space and if so, can it be proven with empirical evidence? I do not think so and for those that contend that space and time were created with the BB, that is a point that you cannot plausibly and logically explain.

6) Therefore, in order for the BB to exist, there had to be space, according to natural laws, to contain it before the “explosion/rapid expansion”, you cannot have it both ways, space was created before the BB or, there was no BB.

7) Which brings us back to where did space, time, energy and matter come from, in the beginning since it seems many, if not most, physicists believe the universe ihad a beginning.

9) When and how did the laws of nature come into being?


10) Now the intent of the post, to demonstrate there are a plethora of questions relative to the creation of the universe that science cannot answer, they have hypothesis, theories, beliefs, conjectures, speculations but no answers for much of how creation began and some contradictions.

As there is evidence that suggests the existence of a prior universe, at this point I assume the singularity that created this universe was brought about by the previous universe. Which itself was brought about by a prior universe.

What started it all off? I don't know, we'll probably never know. Maybe it was always like that, or maybe even some intelligent being (God) started the whole thing off an immeasurable number of universes ago.

If so no gurantee that being is still around or is anything like what is claimed by any of the various religions.

 

[George-ananda]

There is no doubt science can not answer all the who/what/why/how questions about the universe. IMO, the best answers come from those who perceive beyond the physical; the great masters and rishis of the world. From that I believe Consciousness is primary and the physical universe you are discussing is a derivative of Consciousness/God/Brahman. The universe is a thought-form, a play/drama of God. Why God exists is a question I can not answer.

 

[McBell]

Just my opinion but it is my belief that people who ask questions but refuse to answer them, and "questions" is plural, are hypocrites. Not meant to be rude, just my perspective.

So you see yourself as a hypocrite for not answering the questions posed to you?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

2) For there to be a BB, there had to be certain elements, according to natural laws, space being one of them.

So, tell us ...

1. What "natural laws" applied prior to 1 Planck time?
2. According to whom?

 

[McBell]

IMO, it was obvious in my first post in this group what the intent was but I was very mistaken. No one seems to have grasped the intent or perhaps, just chose to ignore it. Therefore, I will state as clearly as I can the intent of this post.

I use, enjoy and believe in all science that can be proven as fact with empirical evidence. Civilization would not have advanced very far without science and I believe most honest people will agree that true science deserves respect and admiration. I even appreciate scientific hypothesis and scientific theories without which, there probably would not be a lot of scientific facts.

This is about cosmology creation and since, IMO, there could be no biological evolution without first having creation, I am posting in this category.

1) The entire focus is on “in the beginning”, IOW, before the BB that many, but not all believe in.

2) For there to be a BB, there had to be certain elements, according to natural laws, space being one of them.

3) When was space created? Some say at the BB so my questions would be for those.

4) Some believe that all elements required to create the universe were contained in the BB, the Dot, the Singularity.

5) IF, that is true, could those exist without space and if so, can it be proven with empirical evidence? I do not think so and for those that contend that space and time were created with the BB, that is a point that you cannot plausibly and logically explain.

6) Therefore, in order for the BB to exist, there had to be space, according to natural laws, to contain it before the “explosion/rapid expansion”, you cannot have it both ways, space was created before the BB or, there was no BB.

7) Which brings us back to where did space, time, energy and matter come from, in the beginning since it seems many, if not most, physicists believe the universe ihad a beginning.

9) When and how did the laws of nature come into being?


10) Now the intent of the post, to demonstrate there are a plethora of questions relative to the creation of the universe that science cannot answer, they have hypothesis, theories, beliefs, conjectures, speculations but no answers for much of how creation began and some contradictions.

What is YOUR answer for your OP questions?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

IMO, it was obvious in my first post in this group what the intent was but I was very mistaken......science cannot answer, they have hypothesis, theories, beliefs, conjectures, speculations but no answers for much of how creation began and some contradictions.

All you're saying is that we don't currently know, and can't currently know. And I agree. Where is it that you would like the conversation to go from here?

 

[Father Heathen]

So for questions we don't yet possess the knowledge to answer, we must presume magic? Does this mean that thunder and lighting really were the works of Thor and Zeus until we were finally able to learn and understand the actual science behind it?

 

[Mister Silver]

So for questions we don't yet possess the knowledge to answer, we must presume magic?

That does seem to be the religious way.

 

[Jose Fly]

All you're saying is that we don't currently know, and can't currently know. And I agree. Where is it that you would like the conversation to go from here?

That's why I keep asking @Ted Evans.....

The origin of the universe is a scientific mystery. Therefore ______________?

So far he refuses to answer.

 

[Father Heathen]

It could have been aliens but we will never know for sure.

But then where the aliens (or god) come from?

 

[Skwim]

This is about cosmology creation and since, IMO, there could be no biological evolution without first having creation, I am posting in this category.

I thought this had been pointed out to you in your other thread, but perhaps not

This forum (category) is named "Evolution Vs Creationism" because it is meant to address those issues involving evolution, creationism, or both. Creation is NOT creationism. Please look up the two. Your post here better belongs in the Science and Technology forum

1) The entire focus is on “in the beginning”, IOW, before the BB that many, but not all believe in.

2) For there to be a BB, there had to be certain elements, according to natural laws, space being one of them.

Nope. If you took the time to look into the BB you'd see that cosmologists feel space was created at the BB.

3) When was space created? Some say at the BB so my questions would be for those.

So you are aware, but why play dumb?

4) Some believe that all elements required to create the universe were contained in the BB, the Dot, the Singularity.

I haven't heard of such a thing, and perhaps this is because of our insufficient knowledge of the event, and that the more common view is that there may have been factors external to the BB that set it in motion. We simply don't know.

9) When and how did the laws of nature come into being?

My guess is that they were inherent in the structure of the BB.

10) Now the intent of the post, to demonstrate there are a plethora of questions relative to the creation of the universe that science cannot answer, they have hypothesis, theories, beliefs, conjectures, speculations but no answers for much of how creation began and some contradictions.

So what? This has been known to science and most informed laypeople for ages. Are you under the impression that science thinks it has all the answers or that a lot of laypeople think it does?

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