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Iron Lion

New Member
Hi, Im looking at the LDS church. Ive read alot of good and alot of negative things about the church and Joseph Smith ect but wish to make an informed decision myself. I would like to ask questions here and hope you can help me and dont take offence. I only wish to learn.

First up can someone please explain or link me to some info on Restoration. Why it was needed and biblical suport showing that it would happen ect.

Why do you use the KJV of the bible without Joseph Smiths changes? It has been proven that the KJV of the bible contains many errors so why use it when much better translations are available today?

Ill ask more questions as I get some answers.

Please pray for me to find the truth. I lo9ve what the LDS church represents and I agree with so many teachings/beliefs. Im not sure whats holding me back. Thanks for your time
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
Hi, Im looking at the LDS church. Ive read alot of good and alot of negative things about the church and Joseph Smith ect but wish to make an informed decision myself. I would like to ask questions here and hope you can help me and dont take offence. I only wish to learn.

First up can someone please explain or link me to some info on Restoration. Why it was needed and biblical suport showing that it would happen ect.

Why do you use the KJV of the bible without Joseph Smiths changes? It has been proven that the KJV of the bible contains many errors so why use it when much better translations are available today?

Ill ask more questions as I get some answers.

Please pray for me to find the truth. I lo9ve what the LDS church represents and I agree with so many teachings/beliefs. Im not sure whats holding me back. Thanks for your time

It's seriously wonderful to hear.

I suggest to start by reading the Book of Mormon , and compare the books in 2nd Nephi to Isaiah in the old testament. The prophesies of Isaiah are amazing reads in regards to the restoration of the Gospel in our dispensation.

Also, Amos prophesied of the Apostasy
Amos 8:
11 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

In Daniel Chapter 2 he translates a dream by the power of the Holy Spirit:
36 ¶ This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

In Isaiah the apostasy is also prophesied of and then the Book of Mormon is Foretold to come froth to a man who is not learned.

4 And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.
10 For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
...
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
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14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Interesting to me is that in the Book of Mormon there is a promise that was prophesied of in this last scrpture i quoted from Isaiah.

Moroni 10:3-5
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

hope this helps.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Hi, Im looking at the LDS church. Ive read alot of good and alot of negative things about the church and Joseph Smith ect but wish to make an informed decision myself. I would like to ask questions here and hope you can help me and dont take offence. I only wish to learn.
Hi, Lion! We're happy to answer your questions, and aren't offended by them in the slightest. There is a ton of misinformation out there about us, about our history, our doctrines and our culture. We welcome every opportunity we're given to provide accurate information to anyone who is interested in learning.

First up can someone please explain or link me to some info on Restoration. Why it was needed and biblical suport showing that it would happen ect.
I wrote up some information on this once a long time ago for someone else and decided to save it in case I was ever asked again. Since this information is kind of lengthy, instead of including it in this post, I will post one response called "What is meant by the 'Great Apostasy'?" and a second called "Why Wasn't a Reformation Sufficient?"

Why do you use the KJV of the bible without Joseph Smiths changes? It has been proven that the KJV of the bible contains many errors so why use it when much better translations are available today?
Joseph Smith's notations are included as footnotes in the LDS Church's edition of the KJV and we are encouraged to use them when we study the scriptures. When we are speaking to people outside of our Church, the KJV serves the purpose of giving us some common ground with which to begin our discussions.


Please pray for me to find the truth. I love what the LDS church represents and I agree with so many teachings/beliefs. Im not sure whats holding me back. Thanks for your time
Well, it's a huge move, isn't it? I can't imagine changing religions on a whim. Study and pray. It took Brigham Young, second President of the Church, two years to come to his decision to join the Church.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
What is meant by the “Great Apostasy?”

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints often speak of a "Great Apostasy." What do they mean by this?

Even in Old Testament times, God's prophets warned that the time would come when the word of the Lord would not be found anywhere in the world.

In Amos 8:11-12, we are told, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord; And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it."

Contrary to most other Christian denominations, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints contends that this prophesy did, in fact, come to pass, and that shortly after the deaths of Christ's Apostles, the Church He personally established ceased to exist in its original form -- in other words that there was, for many, many years, a famine in the world "a famine of hearing the words of the Lord" and that, regardless of where one might wander in search of God's word, it could not be found.

Throughout the New Testament, the Apostles also warned that this was to happen. Paul seemed particularly concerned about the infant Church and frequently voiced his concerns to the early Christians. Among his statements to Christ's followers, are these:

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition…

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel…

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears…

Paul made it absolutely clear that (1)the flock would not only be attacked, it would not be spared, (2) Christ would not return to the earth until this universal "falling away" or "apostasy" had taken place, (3) these things were already beginning to take place as he spoke, and (4) the doctrines taught by the Savior would, in time, cease to endure.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints holds that during the first few centuries after the Savior and His Apostles died, Christianity began to evolve into something quite different than it had originally been. While the Apostles, who assumed leadership over the Church after Christ's death, undoubtedly did everything within their power to preserve and strengthen the Church, there were, unfortunately, other forces at work. Within a matter of just a few years following their deaths, the simplicity and purity of Christ’s teachings had begun to undergo some rather significant changes. Greek philosophical thought corrupted such basic doctrines as the true nature of God and man’s relationship to Him, as learned but uninspired men sought to make this new religion more acceptable to the masses, and especially to the non-Jewish convert. Finally, and probably most important of all, God withdrew His priesthood from the earth. What did this mean? It meant that there was no one left who held the authority to act in His name. With God no longer directing the affairs of His Church, man was on his own. Through debate and discussion, by vote and by compromise, what we now know as “mainstream” Christianity emerged.

Religious scholars describe this as "The Helenization of Christianity." We call it simply, "The Great Apostasy."

Does this mean that Christianity ceased to exist entirely? No. There have been devout Christians ever since the time of Christ. But the "fullness" of His gospel was taken from the earth, just as the ancient prophets said it would be.

 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Why wasn’t a “Reformation” sufficient?

If Christ's Church did, in fact, fall into apostasy during its infancy, why would God wait until 1830 to restore that which was lost? And why wasn't the work of the great Reformers, such as Martin Luther and John Calvin sufficient to reform the Church if, in fact, the Church needed to be reformed at all?

While the Apostles predicted that a universal Apostasy would take place following their deaths, they also spoke of hope in a Restoration of that which was lost. As recorded in Acts 3:19-21, Peter prophesied of this restitution or “apokatastasis” (also translated as reconstitution, restoration or re-establishment) "when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”

He did not specifically state when it would take place. However, he did say that Christ will not return until “the restitution of all things” had occurred. In other words, the second coming will take place after “all things” have been restored. The two events will not take place simultaneously. The Greek word for “until”, as used in this instance, is “achri.” It denotes completion of an act or event as in the statement, “You can’t go to the movies until you’ve cleaned your room.” Other examples of this usage are found in Luke 1:20, Romans 8:22 and Revelation 17:17.

In Revelation 14:6, John too spoke of the Restoration, when he described seeing "another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people…"

Many Protestants today believe that, while the Catholic Church had strayed markedly from the Church Christ established during His ministry, the Reformation of the 15th and 16th centuries resolved the doctrinal and organizational disputes of the prior millennium and a half. That the great reformers recognized the need for a return to the pure form of Christianity the Savior had established while on the earth is evident in their comments to that effect:

“I have sought nothing beyond reforming the Church in conformity with the Holy Scriptures. The spiritual powers have been… absolutely destroyed… I simply say that Christianity has ceased to exist among those who should have preserved it.” (Martin Luther, as quoted in Luther and His Times, page 509)

“[There is] no regularly constituted church of Christ on earth, nor any person authorized to administer any church ordinance, nor can there be until new apostles are sent by the great head of the Church, for whose coming I am seeking.” (Roger Williams, as quoted in Picturesque America, or the Land We Live In; edited by William Cullen Bryant; 1872)

“It does not appear that these extraordinary gifts of the Holy Spirit were common in the Church for more than two or three centuries…. From this time… the extraordinary gifts of the Holy Ghost were no longer to be found in the Christian church… The Christians… only had a dead form [of Christianity] left.” (John Wesley, as quoted in John Wesley’s Works, volume 7)

These men were sincere and well-meaning, and each of them was evidently disturbed by the lack of spiritual power and authority in the Church. Their attempts to reform those doctrines they saw to be in error were admirable (even inspired), but still an unsatisfactory solution to the problem. What Jesus Christ’s Church really needed was not a “reformation” but a “restoration.” Martin Luther, Roger Williams and John Wesley all unwittingly attempted to repair an old garment with a new piece of cloth and, as the Savior had warned, this was not the way things were to be done. (Matthew 9:16)

Finally, in 1830, the Lord saw fit to restore the fullness of His Gospel to the earth. The divinely-mandated “restitution of all things” had begun.
 

Starfish

Please no sarcasm
Hi Lion. The others are answering your questions, so I will just say this. Thanks for coming to the LDS to ask questions about the LDS Church. This is a respectful courtesy on your part that we really appreciate.
 
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