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Quick questions (well not so quick)

rocala

Well-Known Member
If I had evidence, it wouldnt be different than reading and hearing (evidence) a stranger and met each because I read they existed. Even if I had evidence, the god Im familar with isnt one Id choose tp worship.
I say again, my question was not about Worship.
You wrote that you would not believe in god despite external evidence to the contrary,
I ask how can you say this without knowing what that evidence is?
I think perhaps that your statement may have been intended to mean have faith in instead of believe in?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Again.

I ask how can you say this without knowing what that evidence is

Should you not wait and see what the evidence actually is before making such a statement?

No. I know there is no god (the one Im familar with). There is no evidence. If external evidence was present I would not believe in (worship) god. Evidence is not important to me. If it were, it would be related to worship. Whether it be a hindu god or whatever: if external evidence was present I would not believe in god (that Im familar with in regards to worship)

Evidence as in regards to worship.

Clarify, rephrase, or ask if I understood. Saying "again" and repeating tbe question does not further light conversation.

What exactly are you asking?

Edit.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
If external evidence was presented, I would not believe in god. Its deeper than evidence. Why theism and why the christian one and not, say, Pagan?
I accept gods of all religions, but I was taught christianity, that's why.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
Please enlighten us.
It puzzles my why something supported by good evidence would not be universally accepted.
it's not universally accepted, because some people don't want to believe in a timeless god.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
it's not universally accepted, because some people don't want to believe in a timeless god.
But what does "want" have to do with this? Reasonable people don't believe in what they want, they believe in what the evidence points to, however unfamiliar or uncomfortable.
 

Logan38

New Member
I DO have proof that god exists. I have posted it all over the place. I have posted it on religious forums, sent it to newspapers, tv stations, atheists, Churches, many, many people with religious websites, researchers, youtube channels etc. etc. etc. I will repeat here, something I have told someone else recently. Maybe you people will understand what I mean:

Many people believe God, which some still call Jesus, would be on the planet around this time. Now, people, of course, make up all kinds of stories about this, it is all over the internet. But, what if I tell you this has already happened, god is already on the planet, he has made himself known to many, many people, but people do not understand the message, do not look into it etc? Could you people imagine that? Also because people make up stories about what god would be like, when that does not match their expectation, they seem to want to discard it, correct? But peoples belief, does not dictate what god is or what he is like. Many fake supposed Jesus like figures have appeared on the planet, also in the last years, emulating biblical texts, showing no proof whatsoever of who they are. Certain people seem to fall for that. Was it not written, there would be false teachings around the time god would be here?

People like Inri Cristo and Vissarion. There are clearly fakes, although certain people still seem to follow them correct?

But, how would the real creator/god/jesus christ prove who he is then? Well, how about with something in this reality, which is impossible? How about a pattern of colors, numbers, numerology, symbology, matching a whole bunch of things in this reality and matching him? Would that convince people he is the real creator/god/jesus christ? It should right? Well, I have something like that right here. In the past, I have been banned and deleted from many religious forums, with a much shorter message about this. The administrators did not even look at what I said or had to say. I was just immediately thrown off. Within 5 minutes. Now, hopefully, because time is running out, you people are going to leave this here for people to look at. Judgement day right? I mention that as well. People should know, Judgement day is not a joke. I am going to post the full message here, which proves something impossible. Hopefully, people with a brain and that do not immediately draw a conclusion, will understand what I tell you here is 100% the truth. Some things in the message might seem a bit out of order. That is because I had to add certain details to the message, because people were not looking at it. Here you go:

(I have to cut this message into multiple parts, as you have a character limit) Next post....
 

Logan38

New Member
Hi! So , I am going to be as clear as possible. The creator/god/jesus christ is already here. Now, some explanation that is missing from the message I will be pasting, I will add here. As you can read in the message, GOD(3 letters)=7+15+4=26(letters in the real alphabet)=2+6=8, 38. But there is only 1 master number, 11. 3+8=11. JESUS=10+5+19+21+19=74=7+4=11. So, that says with mathematics god=jesus right? Now, Jesus is depicted in blue, red and gold in proper art. Look at what happens: GOLD=7+15+12+4=38! 3+8=11! BLUE=2+12+21+5=40=4+0=4, RED=18+5+4=27=2+7=9, 49! LOGAN=12+15+7+1+14=49! You see? Was there the whole time already, people just had not figured it out. How about I explain the connection with the Epic, mentioned in video 1,2 and 3 of my playlist as well? Here we go:

As you can read in the e-mail I am sending you, my birthday is 121280, It clearly states the position in the number Pi, which is 3 and an infinite number, infinity symbol on its side is the symbol 8, as in 38, 194238.. Now, 19, Yeah, is the number I was living on, De rungraaf 19 in Eindhoven. 42, which is also mentioned in my videos, in combination with a woman named Miss K8, 42 is also mentioned in HitCHhikers' guide to the galaxy, CH, Because her name is Kateryna=8 Kremko=6 Kremko has life path 1, so her numbers are 1,8,6.. My name, is Logan=5 van=3 Engelen=7 birthday 12, 3,5,7 and 12.. 1+8+6+3+5+7+12=42.. My address, de rungraaf 19, is also in 77 numbers of phi. 77, is the number my supposed mother lived on in her life, it also 1977, when Close encounters of the 3rd kind was released, the movie, and Eindhoven, yeah, has the evoluon, a giant UFO shaped building, that is 77 meters across. The 5 notes or tones of the movie Close encounters of the 3rd kind, can be found in the number Pi, as shown in my videos. They give a reference to a place called the Epic in Tilburg, where I went to meet Kateryna and Kimberly, a friend of hers. Do you see both names start with K? Hey, did you know this yet? JESUS=10+5+19+21+19=74 7+4=11.. 11 is the only master number. Wanna see what happens when we look up those notes in the number pi? They are D E C C G.. 45337.. So, fine, here we go.. We do it in 2 iterations, as that is how I created it.. First, the first ten matches. Then eleven. You can check this yourself at:
The Pi-Search Page
Just remember to add 1 right? The index is from the beginning.. We are going to numerology these indexes, because if you would have looked at my videos, you would have understood, I purposely use numerology.
1: 51591=5+1+5+9+1=21=2+1=3

2: 112322=1+1+2+3+2+2=11

3: 183368=1+8+3+3+6+8=29=2+9=11

4: 238861=2+3+8+8+6+1=28=2+8=10=1+0=1

5: 460261=4+6+0+2+6+1=19=1+9=10=1+0=1

6: 569265=5+6+9+2+6+5=33=3+3=6

7: 644728=6+4+4+7+2+8=31=3+1=4

8: 873608=8+7+3+6+0+8=32=3+2=5

9: 970334=9+7+0+3+3+4=26=2+6=8

10: 987977=9+8+7+9+7+7=47=4+7=11

11: 1116243=1+1+1+6+2+4+3=18=1+8=9

So, you now going complain about the reorder I do with this or what? I put it like that on purpose, because of the number 58, as the sky phenomenon in Sweden was at a ski resort with the number 58 and it was not a sun dog or sky angel or whatever else you stupid fake scientists make up about it. I did that. For christ sake. So, 10 iterations.

3 11 11 1 1 6 4 5 8 11

You see the 58? Reorder..

5 3 8 11 11 1 1 6 4 11

Now, you can not get 0 with numerology, can you understand that or what?

The address of the Epic in Tilburg is:

Heuvelring 116
5038 CL

Heuvelring=8+5+21+22+5+12+18+9+14+7=121=1+2+1=4.

So, we got the 116 in there right? Hey, and the numerology value of Heuvelring, which is 4 also right? So, we got left:

538 11 11 11

Well, how about we look at it this way? Kateryna, who was there, K=11, Kimberly, who was there, K=11, I was there, Jesus=11.. But, if you split that (there are pictures in my videos proving I was there and those women as well) we get 111, 111.. 1+1+1=3=C, 1+11=12=L.. So you get the full postal code of the Epic.. If you read my E-mail, you would know, 538 is in my name chart.. How about we do 11 iterations now huh?

3 11 11 1 1 6 4 5 8 11 9

Do you see it? You do not? How about this? EPIC, E=5, P=16, I=9, C=3.. So, we remove those values:

11 11 1 4 8 11

148?
Logan=12+15+7+1+14=49
Van=22+1+14=37
Engelen=5+14+7+5+12+5+14=62
49+37+62=148.

So, here is the rest of the message. You going to look into this now or what? Would be nice you know:



Does God Exist? I have read many times, that people say Nobody has proof god exists. Now, what if I say, I have proof God exists? Would people be willing to look at what I want to explain to them/show them? It is all about, what you think the creator/god is correct? Now, lets say, the creator/god, creates an existence, actually for himself, to walk around here and interact with people, would people think that is actually possible? Now, how would he go about proving, he is actually the creator/god? Would people think, it would be possible for him to create a puzzle, a pattern, that Nobody could solve? And by solving it, proving who he really is? Do people think he would be able to do something like that? Well. There is such a puzzle/pattern. I have understood, some people have noticed some of it, but brushed it off as coincidence correct? I will start explaining it, but, if you really want to come up with a conclusion of what I am about to show you, you will have to look at all that is presented, as others, in the past, have failed to do so. The puzzle, has to do with numbers, colors, numerology and symbology. I will start at the beginning:

GOD(3 letter word)=7+15+4=26 2+6=8, 38. The 8 can be seen as the infinity symbol on its side, which is sometimes also used as the symbol for a paradox.

Are people aware of the Illuminati symbolism? It is on the dollar bill correct? It says, ‘In god we trust” right? It then says, in the seal, Novus Ordo Seclorum, which has been falsely used as New world Order, because it actually means, New order of the Ages.

The symbol is a triangle and an EYE. Triangle=3, EYE=5+25+5=8, 38.

In science, every atom is made out of protons, correct? A proton is made out of 3 Quarks(QU=17 21=83, 38 backwards) which exchange 8 gluons, 38.

The weight/mass of a proton is 938 Mev/c. 938 in alphabet is ICH. ICH comes from the old greek word ICHTHUS, in which ICH, I=Jesus, CH=Christ.

CH=38.

CHristianity. CHurCH. And in chuRCH, with numerology, R=18=1+8=9, so it also says 938.

In Chemistry, CH is very common.

Light takes approx 8.3 minutes to get from the sun to the earth, 38 backwards.

The moon is receding at 3.8 cm a year from the earth, 38.

The earth is the 3rd of 8 planets, 38.

DNA, when written like this, says C G A T, correct? C=3, G=7, A=1, T=20=2+0=2. Could we agree that you could see that as 3, 7, 12? This will be shown later.

Can people imagine that, the creator/god could have put ideas into peoples minds, 1000s of years ago, that would actually predict or match him? Are people here aware of many of the biblical stories?

How about this:

My supposed father was born on the 26st of August, star sign, Virgo, depicted as the Virgin.

I later in my life, moved to a place called Helmond, the Netherlands. Translated to English, that means the Mouth of Hell. A lot of people wanted to fight me, hurt me etc. in that place.

I later moved back to Eindhoven, to the Heilige Geestraat, in English that means, Holy Ghost street. It is between, the Paradijslaan, English, Paradise lane, and the Edenstraat or Edenstreet.

I eventually ended up at a workplace, getting into a big fight with some Jewish people, that did not seem to agree with what I said about the money system. They then threatened to kill me, my family and even crucify me.

Now, the word CREATOR=3+18+5+1+20+15+18=80 and of course 8+0=8, which is also infinity on its side, but 80. My birthday is the 12th of the 12th 1980. 12 is a common biblical number correct?

To make it even more interesting, the number pi, is 3 and an infinite number behind the . or , correct? Can you then see it symbolically, if you turn infinity back on its side as 38?

If you look up the number 121280, in the number pi, you will find this index: 194238. It ends in 38. It is followed by 839 or 938 backwards.

My name, seems to have a hidden element. First off, my last name, van Engelen, means ‘of Angels’ in English. Besides that:

Logan=5 letters, van=3 letters, Engelen=5+14+7+5+12+5+14=62 6+2=8. So it says 538.

Now, to make it even more interesting, I have a video series here, that explains the rest of this pattern combining people, locations, music track lyrics, CDs, the numbers pi, tau(2 times pi), phi, Fibonacci, colors, numbers, numerology, symbology etc. all into a single pattern, also showing the number 38.

I have been showing this for quite sometime and what is also interesting, is that somebody named Joseph, found it necessary to come and insult me. Later on, somebody named Matthew also thought that was somehow necessary.

I will tell you this last thing, after staying in the Netherlands, I decided to leave and go to Lloret de mar, Spain, which some people have called like Babylon. In this place, I eventually got introduced to another woman, for a cheaper place to stay, this woman's last name ended in CH. In this new place, I ended up in a room, next to another woman, also staying at that place, named Maria.

I will explain one last thing before I post the video playlist. I end up going to a place, called Epic. I show, in the videos, how the postal code, address and name are in the number pi. It also show a reference to the number 58, linking it back to me and 2 other women that I met there.

Here is your proof - YouTube

The word Epic, a user name ending in CH are visible in the following video. It also seems to have been shot in vemdalen sweden, where there is a ski resort at number 58.

 

Logan38

New Member
I would like to add some extra details to the explanation, as I do not think people even think of this, when they watch the playlist I added here. In the first video, I mention CHarles Manson. I also mention the matrix movie, which was directed by the WaCHowski's starring Keanu CHarles Reeves as Neo.

To make it even more interesting, I will add a video, illustrating a puzzle, that links back certain band names and track titles, to the puzzles shown in the first video of the playlist. It also features a track by Deep Purple, CHasing shadows. People should know/remember Deep purple featured people like John Lord and RitCHie Blackmore.


I will also add another puzzle, that uses a track title and information, more anagrams etc.



I would also like to add that the first video of the 'Here is your proof' playlist, is part of a longer set of videos, linking more stuff together with a set of music mixes called the 3rd testament.

1. The Puzzle - YouTube

The 3rd testament mixes are not on soundcloud anymore, but can be found here:

8. 3rd Testament - YouTube

I would also like to add, I "predicted" the position of a certain female DJ in the top 100 twice, in the video series. Miss K8, Kateryna Kremko. As you can see in the first video, the number 88 is clearly visible in the properties of the document I gave her. It is later referenced again, in the video 88 in the playlist.

Her position in 2016 was 88:

Poll 2016: Miss K8

Her position in 2017 was 58 and 58 was mentioned in the second video, was it not?:

Poll 2017: Miss K8

Lastly, I would like to add, I arrived in Lloret de mar, Spain, early this year. There was a referendum for the Independence of Catalonia. You check the vote count for independence yourself, as it ends in 38:

Catalan independence referendum, 2017 - Wikipedia

Oh, one last thing. I spent some time chasing this DJ, Miss K8 around. I did. She played in Switzerland, Basel. Following her there, I end up getting the number 38 again on my boarding pass and some other things, which I show in the video:


Now, are you people going to understand what I showed you here?

Well ,that is very nice. Have a look at all of that then and I hope to hear from you!

Merry CHristmas!

Have a nice day!

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Now... I have made it very, very clear, that because people have ignored me, not made me known, hardly spoken about me, for 2 years, people now have less than 2 months on this planet, before I leave and destroy everything and it is judgement day. That is what my later videos on my youtube are about. People can still do something about that. Are you people going to understand the seriousness of this matter then? Because it really is serious.

You should understand, the explanation in this e-mail. Things in biblical texts were written down incorrectly. People were told, people are made out of matter(clay), Atoms(Adam), Electrons(Eva). Every Atom is made out of protons. the mass, mentioned in this e-mail is 938. ICH, I=Jesus CH=Christ. That is why it says in biblical texts: 2 corinthians 13:5 - Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

Now, there would be a sign in the sky correct? It is not my fault people make things up when they write them down. This sign is shown in the video included in this e-mail, the video shot in vemdalen sweden.

Now, as you may or may not know, I have contacted many, many churches, tv stations, news papers etc. etc. etc. around the world about this. If nothing is done, it is peoples own fault and you will all be judged accordingly.

You have your opportunity to do something about this.

Have a nice day!


This is the message and it is not a joke.... You should be smart enough to understand this. Please leave this here. It might make the difference between this world going away within 2 months or staying here for another +/- 50 years. The choice is yours. Have a nice day....
 

Naama

Chibi Lilith
I was an atheist, because I had no proof of God. But I found proof and now I am a theist.

I am a theist, maybe a misotheist/dystheist, and I haven't seen proof I only have faith. What is this proof if you don't mind sharing? :)
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I am a theist, maybe a misotheist/dystheist, and I haven't seen proof I only have faith. What is this proof if you don't mind sharing? :)
I, too, would like to see this proof.
I can't believe that if proof really existed it wouldn't already have become generally known and accepted, like mathematical or scientific facts.
 
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