Quran is free of errors

[Gharib]

You're insulting me by telling me all the science i'm using is wrong. Also that me explaining the physical properties of clay is childish. Also insulting;

Should i report your post also???

You cannot say you didn't expect us to be angry when we say the same thing 10 times and you call it wrong every time.

i would report my own post after reading this that you got offended or what ever, but i can't. so you should do it for me ok.

EDIT:
it seems i can, so i will do it.

 

[Fatihah]

OK, read this very carefully. I'm going to go through the physical properties of clay:

Natural state:
- clay is soft and mallaeble when wet
- when clay is wet it exhibits high plasticity
- clay is often hard and brittle when dry
- clay when dry is a thermal and electrical insulator
- clay is formed through the grinding and eventual breakdown of rocks
- clay is also formed by the chemical weathering, often using carbonic acids

Now tell me Fatihah, how the hell is our skin anything like this? For one, humans are not resistant to heat and fire, we don't expand significantly when wet, we do not retain a similiar chemical composition when we're put in a fire, and we're not made of ground down rocks.

Care to disagree?

Response: Yes. You see, you are referring to clay and solely on clay. The human body is made up of so much more. So one must also consider the other factors of man as well. Water will freeze solid when exposed to certain temperatures. If I walked outside in the freezing winter with a cup of water, after some time, the water inside will freeze solid. I on the other hand will not, despite the fact that science says that we are made of water. So does this mean that science is wrong? No. Because there are other factors involved. The same is the case concerning man in relation with clay.

 

[JMorris]

Response: Yes. You see, you are referring to clay and solely on clay. The human body is made up of so much more. So one must also consider the other factors of man as well. Water will freeze solid when exposed to certain temperatures. If I walked outside in the freezing winter with a cup of water, after some time, the water inside will freeze solid. I on the other hand will not, despite the fact that science says that we are made of water. So does this mean that science is wrong? No. Because there are other factors involved. The same is the case concerning man in relation with clay.

 

[Fatihah]

this has got to be the best post i've read in ages, well done brother Fatihah.

Response: Shurkran. Jazak'Allah.

 

[gnostic]

even though this is a complete pathetic attempt by you to try and end the conversation i must say, this has to be the lowest post i have ever seen.

I have never seen people who would defend nonsensical sacred writing, which defy all logic. If you are offended, then

and i will report this also for ussing offencive terms in regards to our beliefs and us muslims, which i think is clasified as trolling.

what a bloddy pathetic cheap shot.

I have not even began to be offensive. You have not even began to see me being offensive.

I do not have to be respectful to your belief, to your religion, or to your god. And if you are going to continue write something that defy all common sense, as well as logic, then you are only making a mockery of your own belief and religion.

If your god did write something as silly about human beings made out of clay, then who is the fool? Your god. Your god then don't have any understanding of science of the human body.

But if the real author of the Qur'an is your prophet, then Muhammad is a moronic fool, not your god.

And only fools defend position, which they don't even understand. Clearly, none of the Muslims posted here have a clear understanding about the human anatomy or the composition of the clay.

Most of the composition of clay comes from weathering of minerals (from erosion of rocks), that's finer than sand, but more denser than silts. Sands, silts and clay all come from erosion of mineral.

Do you understand?

Or do you think we are made out of rocks, too?

If a god has infinite knowledge, then it is certainly not this god that you called Allah.

 

[Fatihah]

I have never seen people who would defend nonsensical sacred writing, which defy all logic. If you are offended, then



I have not even began to be offensive. You have not even began to see me being offensive.

I do not have to be respectful to your belief, to your religion, or to your god. And if you are going to continue write something that defy all common sense, as well as logic, then you are only making a mockery of your own belief and religion.

If your god did write something as silly about human beings made out of clay, then who is the fool? Your god. Your god then don't have any understanding of science of the human body.

But if the real author of the Qur'an is your prophet, then Muhammad is a moronic fool, not your god.

And only fools defend position, which they don't even understand. Clearly, none of the Muslims posted here have a clear understanding about the human anatomy or the composition of the clay.

Most of the composition of clay comes from weathering of minerals (from erosion of rocks), that's finer than sand, but more denser than silts. Sands, silts and clay all come from erosion of mineral.

Do you understand?

Or do you think we are made out of rocks, too?

If a god has infinite knowledge, then it is certainly not this god that you called Allah.

Response: But you have no evidence to the contrary. Unfortunately, what you have done is reduced your argument to "the claim that man is made of clay is wrong because....it's stupid". My friend, this is not evidence.

 

[darkendless]

Response: Yes. You see, you are referring to clay and solely on clay. The human body is made up of so much more. So one must also consider the other factors of man as well. Water will freeze solid when exposed to certain temperatures. If I walked outside in the freezing winter with a cup of water, after some time, the water inside will freeze solid. I on the other hand will not, despite the fact that science says that we are made of water. So does this mean that science is wrong? No. Because there are other factors involved. The same is the case concerning man in relation with clay.

Read the post after the one you quoted. I clearly explained that even if skin was a composite material it woluld exhibit some of clay's properties. It does not.

Can you start being reasonable now?

 

[JMorris]

Response: But you have no evidence to the contrary. Unfortunately, what you have done is reduced your argument to "the claim that man is made of clay is wrong because....it's stupid". My friend, this is not evidence.

evidence has been presented over and over again. your refusal to accept reality is no one's fault but your own. the claim that man is made of clay is much more than stupid, and anyone who believes it is much more than stupid. this debate is over, you have lost, and thats all there is to it. your refusal to accept reality isnt going to win any points. now just accept it and move on.

OK, read this very carefully. I'm going to go through the physical properties of clay:

Natural state:
- clay is soft and mallaeble when wet
- when clay is wet it exhibits high plasticity
- clay is often hard and brittle when dry
- clay when dry is a thermal and electrical insulator
- clay is formed through the grinding and eventual breakdown of rocks
- clay is also formed by the chemical weathering, often using carbonic acids

Now tell me Fatihah, how the hell is our skin anything like this? For one, humans are not resistant to heat and fire, we don't expand significantly when wet, we do not retain a similiar chemical composition when we're put in a fire, and we're not made of ground down rocks.

Care to disagree?

Yes, if we are made of clay we would share those properties, or at least a mixture of them. Its impossible not to. Do you know what a composite material is Eselam? It is a material made stronger by utilizing the properties of another material. Steel is a composite where carbon is added to strengthen the Iron. Sure it is no longer called iron and is not a naturally occuring substance, but it still retains the properties of Iron. Its simple Eselam, we either exhibit some properties of clay or we're not clay!!!!! **** Don't make excuses for your book. If Allah says we're made of clay then why would our bodies not express the physical properties of clay? Even as a composite we would still act somewhat like clay.

I don't have to try to destroy this childish discussion. I didn't think you guys would be silly enough to try and have this discussion. A 5 year old could tell you we're not made of clay. The notion is pathetically rediculous.

We're 90% water sure (i don't actually know but ill take your word for it), but water boils and evaporates at 100 degrees celsius. Common fires burn at about 300 degrees C, so in very simple terms we evaporate. Also, our skin has a very low moisture content, so we burn.

If we were made of clay we wouldn't burn. Clay is basically small rock particles (for people who don't speak geology) and rocks do not burn, they retain their chemical structurein common fires. Now, if we were made of clay, we would not burn!!!

Why is this so damn hard for you guys to understand. I've had a better time explaining integral calculus to 13 year olds.

You call me childish, yet im using common facts versus the fairy tale called the Quran, give me a ******* break.

Not much of a debate here, i can't believe you can live in this country and be as ignorant of how things work as you are. I'm sorry but this is like talking to an infant.



I did not, i said clay become plastic. Plastic meaning, if you bend it, it will not return to its shape. This means if we got wet and were made of clay, we'd never look the same again. Also, clay expands at roughly 500N/m when it gets wet, if we sat in a bath, the bath would explode as soon as we sat down.



Clay cannot be stretched lol... good lord save me from ignorance. Clay is about as unelastic as it gets. You cant stretch fired clay, its brittle. You can't stretch wet clay. In reality with wet clay, what you're doing is ripping apart hydrogen bonds.



Bacteria dies as well lol.... Good grief. Often cold temperatures will kill bacteria. Hence why we either freeze meat to eat later.




Thats because your concept of anything outside Islam is very close to 0, sad really.



The water inside us evaporates. The skin and bones burn. Honestly Eselam are you just playing dumb or what>?



Our skin does that because it has a saturation point where no more water can be absorbed. We're not made of water, we're full of water.
back at you mate.




My language highlights the fact that discussing with the muslims in this thread is frustrating. You're all too ignorant to accept anything against your Quran no maytter how wrong you are.

 

[gnostic]

I have told you what my evidence is. You have just quoted it from me.

That clay comes the weathering of minerals, hence erosion of rock.

Are you such simpleton that you have miss what you've just quoted.

So what evidences do you provide? Have you any evidence?

If you think the Qur'an is free from errors, then you should be the ones to provide some, if any, when you come to debate. Well, to date, you have not provided a single shred of evidence, whenever you debate. All you have done is say "where is your evidence".

Show me your evidence that man is made out of clay. C'mon, man. Prove to me that I am not communicating to a religious simpleton.

 

[JMorris]

I have told you what my evidence is. You have just quoted it from me.

That clay comes the weathering of minerals, hence erosion of rock.

Are you such simpleton that you have miss what you've just quoted.

he dosent accept reality. you can provide evidence till your blue in the face, and he will never accept it, no matter how obvious it is. and simpleton? your too nice

So what evidences do you provide? Have you any evidence?

Response: The Quran says blah blah blah blah.

If you think the Qur'an is free from errors, then you should be the ones to provide some, if any, when you come to debate. Well, to date, you have not provided a single shred of evidence, whenever you debate. All you have done is say "where is your evidence".

Response: The Quran says blah blah blah blah.

Show me your evidence that man is made out of clay. C'mon, man. Prove to me that I am not communicating to a religious simpleton.

your really too nice.

 

[Fatihah]

Read the post after the one you quoted. I clearly explained that even if skin was a composite material it woluld exhibit some of clay's properties. It does not.

Can you start being reasonable now?

Response: Just because man is created from clay does not mean that the skin must behave a certain way. And as I explained, there are other factors.

 

[JMorris]

Response: Just because man is created from clay does not mean that the skin must behave a certain way. And as I explained, there are other factors.

Response: where is your evidence? what other factors? blah blah blah blah:slap:

 

[YmirGF]

Response: Yes. You see, you are referring to clay and solely on clay. The human body is made up of so much more. So one must also consider the other factors of man as well. Water will freeze solid when exposed to certain temperatures. If I walked outside in the freezing winter with a cup of water, after some time, the water inside will freeze solid. I on the other hand will not, despite the fact that science says that we are made of water. So does this mean that science is wrong? No. Because there are other factors involved. The same is the case concerning man in relation with clay.

Ahhh, more breathtaking idiocy. Ahh, Fatihah, if you went outside on a day that was cold enough to freeze a mug of water, WITHOUT protective clothing on you too would begin to freeze. It will take longer than with the cup of water, but eventually you will become as completely frozen. Would you care to dispute this fact? (I don't actually believe I had to explain that to someone.) *shakes head*

 

[Fatihah]

evidence has been presented over and over again. your refusal to accept reality is no one's fault but your own. the claim that man is made of clay is much more than stupid, and anyone who believes it is much more than stupid. this debate is over, you have lost, and thats all there is to it. your refusal to accept reality isnt going to win any points. now just accept it and move on.

Response: On the contrary, the evidence has been refuted and shown to hold no ground.

 

[JMorris]

Response: On the contrary, the evidence has been refuted and shown to hold no ground.

Response: On the contrary, you havent proven or disproven anything, ever. where is your evidence that "the evidence has been refuted and shown to hold no ground"?

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE:gnostic]I have told you what my evidence is. You have just quoted it from me.

That clay comes the weathering of minerals, hence erosion of rock.

Are you such simpleton that you have miss what you've just quoted.

Response: That's evidence of what clay is made of, not evidence that man is not made from clay. There's a difference.

Quote: gnostic
So what evidences do you provide? Have you any evidence?

If you think the Qur'an is free from errors, then you should be the ones to provide some, if any, when you come to debate. Well, to date, you have not provided a single shred of evidence, whenever you debate. All you have done is say "where is your evidence".

Show me your evidence that man is made out of clay. C'mon, man. Prove to me that I am not communicating to a religious simpleton.

Response: The one who created man would no their creation. So if Allah says he created man from clay, he created man from clay. What other proof is needed?

 

[JMorris]

saying the same thing over and over and over again is not proof of anything. specially when that same thing you keep repeating is easily disproven by science. the evidence has repeatedly proven that humans arent made of clay, if your self imposed ignorance wont allow you to accept that, then that's your problem, the evidence is still valid, regardless of whether your able to comprehend it or not. this debate has been over for quite some time. theres no point in continueing, but if you refuse to accept reality, then ill try to atleast get some laughs out of this crap.

 

[Fatihah]

Ahhh, more breathtaking idiocy. Ahh, Fatihah, if you went outside on a day that was cold enough to freeze a mug of water, WITHOUT protective clothing on you too would begin to freeze. It will take longer than with the cup of water, but eventually you will become as completely frozen. Would you care to dispute this fact? (I don't actually believe I had to explain that to someone.) *shakes head*

Response: I said that we would not freeze solid, not that we will not freeze. I don't wish to dispute anything. But if you insist, be my guest.

 

[darkendless]

Response: Just because man is created from clay does not mean that the skin must behave a certain way. And as I explained, there are other factors.

Skin would retain properties of clay. The skin is in no way shape or form like clay. You just simply don't get it do you.

You do not understand how clay is formed, so stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[JMorris]

Response: That's evidence of what clay is made of, not evidence that man is not made from clay. There's a difference.

Response: where is your evidence that what gnostic has put forth as evidence isnt evidence? where is your evidence that theres a difference?

Response: The one who created man would no their creation. So if Allah says he created man from clay, he created man from clay. What other proof is needed?

Response: where is your evidence that a god created us? we know what human's are made of, and it isnt clay. where is your proof that we are? quotations from the quran dont count, because the quran is in error. so provide something scientific.