Quran, Islam, and prayers are magic

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Magic: the word has evolved to include prayers if it has an effect on the person as well as intention and manifestation.

The primary means of magic for polytheists is prayers to their deities. Quran says most polytheists worship Jinn and that their harm is more then their benefit. The benefits are worldly, while they lose the next world and their souls.

The Quran shows to rely on RISQALLAH - and that in the sky lies that RISQ and what we are promised.

Quran teaches to get connected to God and receive risq from him.

The Quran is a means to enable different type of magical Risq from God. To me Quran is even higher proof than Isa's (s) food on the Table and greater nearness to God then the Mana given to bani-Israel under the hands of Mariam (a) sister of Haroun (a) and Musa (a).

Quran is extremely magical in nature, it builds the psyche in ways we don't expect, and armors the souls in ways we don't perceive and perceive. Both.

Taking refuge in God through Quran is magical, it defeats the dark magic.

Angels work through Quran to help us as well.

The difference is RISQALLAh lasts forever and is truth and eventually with patience helps you achieve both worlds. While RISQ from Shayateen perishes, harms, and is dirty and only benefits a person in achieving dunya and makes you lose next.

 

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Is any of this measurable?

 

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Is any of this measurable?

It can always be classified as a placebo effect, so probably no.

However, I do believe you can personally witness it's effects and know it's supernatural.

 

[Onyx]

What is the question for debate? All I see is preaching.

 

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What is the question for debate? All I see is preaching.

I've seen Muslims say calling it magic is wrong and even heresy. I'm saying the way magic is defined today, it's magic.

 

[EtuMalku]

Magic: the word has evolved to include prayers if it has an effect on the person as well as intention and manifestation.

The primary means of magic for polytheists is prayers to their deities. Quran says most polytheists worship Jinn and that their harm is more then their benefit. The benefits are worldly, while they lose the next world and their souls.

The Quran shows to rely on RISQALLAH - and that in the sky lies that RISQ and what we are promised.

Quran teaches to get connected to God and receive risq from him.

The Quran is a means to enable different type of magical Risq from God. To me Quran is even higher proof than Isa's (s) food on the Table and greater nearness to God then the Mana given to bani-Israel under the hands of Mariam (a) sister of Haroun (a) and Musa (a).

Quran is extremely magical in nature, it builds the psyche in ways we don't expect, and armors the souls in ways we don't perceive and perceive. Both.

Taking refuge in God through Quran is magical, it defeats the dark magic.

Angels work through Quran to help us as well.

The difference is RISQALLAh lasts forever and is truth and eventually with patience helps you achieve both worlds. While RISQ from Shayateen perishes, harms, and is dirty and only benefits a person in achieving dunya and makes you lose next.

Prayer has become a "lost" magical art. It has been reduced to rote recitations or simple wish-making. Prayer originally was the process of concentrated visualization, combined with emotional and mental energy, properly grounded to the physical through proper vocalization. The spoken Word became in essence praying, this was first understood by the ancient Egyptians (and Mesopotamians) in the way of Affirmations then made manifest by way of (Heka) vibrational magic. Efforts were made to align sound with the principles of a Cosmic Order (natural ordering of the universe) which perhaps could be seen as a LOGOS, the dialog with that part of your Self that has the ability to create any condition you need or desire. The invocation within a prayer unites our meditative state of consciousness with the power of the Word and our innate force of Will.

The Magic you seem to be implying here is what we on the Left Hand Path refer to as White Magic,
and is the effort to deceive one's consciousness into believing one can petition the help of some external deity to achieve some kind of goal.

 

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Prayer has become a "lost" magical art. It has been reduced to rote recitations or simple wish-making. Prayer originally was the process of concentrated visualization, combined with emotional and mental energy, properly grounded to the physical through proper vocalization. The spoken Word became in essence praying, this was first understood by the ancient Egyptians (and Mesopotamians) in the way of Affirmations then made manifest by way of (Heka) vibrational magic. Efforts were made to align sound with the principles of a Cosmic Order (natural ordering of the universe) which perhaps could be seen as a LOGOS, the dialog with that part of your Self that has the ability to create any condition you need or desire. The invocation within a prayer unites our meditative state of consciousness with the power of the Word and our innate force of Will.

The Magic you seem to be implying here is what we on the Left Hand Path refer to as White Magic,
and is the effort to deceive one's consciousness into believing one can petition the help of some external deity to achieve some kind of goal.

To me there is an art of embracing God's sustenance through the Imam of time and through Ahlulbayt (a) when it comes, but at the at end, the Sustainer is real and there is no power, honor or will except through God and his permission.

 

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To me there is an art of embracing God's sustenance through the Imam of time and through Ahlulbayt (a) when it comes, but at the at end, the sustainer is real and there is no power, honor or will except through God and his permission.

And that is what we refer to as White Magic: an effort to deceive the consciousness into believing that it has been accepted by some form of Deity.

 

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And that is what we refer to as White Magic: an effort to deceive the consciousness into believing that it has been accepted by some form of Deity.

I understand your point of view. To me it's real as it gets, the sky reality and Ahlulbayt (a) lights therein and the sustenance of God from them is real and they defeat and annul dark sorcery and effects of unclean energy.

Of course, part of is us acting, so while they empower our sword (as they are sword of God with believers), we have to attack with our sword of honor as well, and perform with the power lent to us.

 

[EtuMalku]

I understand your point of view. To me it's real as it gets, the sky reality and Ahlulbayt (a) lights therein and the sustenance of God from them is real and they defeat and annul dark sorcery and effects of unclean energy.

Of course, part of is us acting, so while they empower our sword (as they are sword of God with believers), we have to attack with our sword of honor as well, and perform with the power lent to us.

We find there to be only two forms of actual Magic.
1) Lesser Magic which involves everything from simple tricks of misdirection to extremely subtle and complex manipulation of psychological factors in the human personality in order to gain something.
2) Greater Magic which is the causing of change to occur in one's subjective universe in accordance with one's Will.

 

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We find there to be only two forms of actual Magic.
1) Lesser Magic which involves everything from simple tricks of misdirection to extremely subtle and complex manipulation of psychological factors in the human personality in order to gain something.
2) Greater Magic which is the causing of change to occur in one's subjective universe in accordance with one's Will.

Thanks for sharing. I believe in the "signs of God" and what they point to and the sustenance and their power to be from God.

 

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Thanks for sharing. I believe in the "signs of God" and what they point to and the sustenance and their power to be from God.

You're welcome. One last thing, I don't believe in any gods other than my Greater Self/GodSelf.

 

[Onyx]

I've seen Muslims say calling it magic is wrong and even heresy. I'm saying the way magic is defined today, it's magic.

Thanks for the clarification. If I'm reading this right, your idea of "magic" is concerned with eternal gains versus temporary ones?

 

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Thanks for the clarification. If I'm reading this right, your idea of "magic" is concerned with eternal gains versus temporary ones?

Yes, but you can gain both, just intention should be for forever and God and your gains in this world for the next.

But the power received is in real time (current world), but it's out of love of God's face that remains (name of God).

So you benefit for the world, but the benefits for this world, have to be intended for God as the greatest reward.

The risqallah and Risq from Ahlulbayt (A) powers, don't help us, if we intend this world and use them for this world without God and next world as our goal.

We have to see everything pale in comparison to God as a reward. This is why Quran says believers who sought wealth, their wealth benefit them, because they did it all for God. They are the exception while people who sought wealth just for wealth sake and for temporary goals and lived for temporary pleasures that were illusions from Iblis' magic, they will be in hell forever.

 

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The Quran says it's not poetry, but truth. This is despite the Quran being more poetic and excelling at it then all poetry. It's more then poetry because it's God expressing himself and that is truth.

The same with the divine light. It's not that it's not magical in nature, it's that it is truth. The truth is magical though, more powerful and more magical then sorcery of Iblis.

Believers are to use Ahlulbayt (A) and Quran together. Those who forbid this, forbid the necessities of life and are heedless to what connects us to God.

When Musa (s) displayed his powers, Quran yes doesn't call it magic but truth. Because it's the true power while sorcerers power is illusionary and vulnerable and who weakness and harm is more then it's benefit and power.