QURANIC ANIMISM: He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)

[Matheist]

Worldviews

He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)

ETHICALISM: Atheism: Reject all gods and all religions.
ANIMISM: Matheism: Accept all gods and all religions.
THEISM: Islam: Accept Torah and Bible, and reject all gods and all religions.​

Natural Justice (no religion) vs. Forced Justice (religion)

How does the Quran make all gods same god?

Through the interpretation methodology:

We (Sunnatullah / Nature) are responsible for its interpretation (all Books). (Quran 75:19)

WHEREAS: Sunnatullah means The Ways of Allah or The Law of Nature.

Nature is always logical in everything it does and self-preservation is the first law of nature. Accordingly, logic is responsible for its interpretation and for the self-preservation of natural order. Eco + Logic.
​

Allah is the LordLaw of the Universe (Eco + Logic). (Quran 1:2)​

What does it mean to believe in the Quran?

But as for those who have clear evidence from their LordLaw (of Nature) followed up by a witness from Him (Natural Person) and before it the ordain of Musa came as a model and a mercy (for Tawba, ie. align our nature with NATURE, 7:156-157: Natural Law) — such people have iman in it (Quran). Any faction which rejects it is promised the Fire. Be in no doubt about it. It is the Truth from your Lord. But most people have no iman. (Quran 11:17)

Conclusion:

IF

1. Have iman in Law of Nature
(Believe in Metaphysics, What is Reality? MATH)

2. Have iman in Natural Person
(Believe in Epistemology, What is Knowledge? E)

3. Have iman in Natural Law
(Believe in Axiology, What is Value? ISM)

THEN have iman / read the Quran
​

ELSE have no iman / not read the Quran​

The above is Philosophy (Love of Wisdom)

The Arabs (Jurisprudence : الْأَعْرَابُ Al-aAArabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know "Islam". (Quran 9:97)​

He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)

Accordingly, all religious and non-religious texts must be interpreted through:

1. Law of Nature (The belief in Metaphysics, What is Reality? MATH)
2. Natural Person (The belief in Epistemology, What is Knowledge? E)
3. Natural Law (The belief in Axiology, What is Value? ISM)
​

and before it can VALID/LAWFUL.

Example: Christian Animism

Christian Animism… earth-based, creation-focussed spirituality, God's living prescence within all matter

We believe in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you, and your God and our God is one and the same. We are Muslims (Ecological Citiens) wholly submitted to Him (Nature / Animism). (Quran 29:46)

So call and go straight as you have been ordered to. Do not follow their whims and desires but say, ´I have iman in a Ordain sent down by Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) and I am ordered to be just between you. Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) is our Lord and your Lord. We have our actions (religion) and you have your actions (religion). There is no debate between us and you. Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) will gather us all together. He is our final destination.´ (Quran 42:15)​

Objective

Do not corrupt the earth after it has been put right. (Quran 7:56)
(take only what you need and leave the land as you found it)

Self-preservation (ecological justice) is the first law of nature. (vs. forced justice or political jurisprudence)
​

Proof of God (Energy)

 

[Bear Wild]

You are presenting a very different representation for animism than I am familiar with. Animism I am familiar with describes animals, plants, rocks, rivers, lakes, and other objects of the world to have an inner spiritual essence. How does that mean accept all gods and all religions?

 

[Matheist]

How does that mean accept all gods and all religions?

God is Nature's God.

SAME GOD​

1. Quranic Animism / Sunnatullah Alone Muslim / Matheism
   
2. Sunni Animism
3. Shia Animism
4. Christian Animism
5. Jewish Animism
6. Hindu Animism
7. Atheist Animism
8. Agnostic Animism
9. Taoist Animism
10. Sikh Animism
11. Secularist Animism
12. Satanist Animism
13. Terrorist Animism
14. Others

When he came to the Fire he was called: "O Moses. I (FIRE) am ALLAH!" (Quran 20:13)

Allah is Energy

We believe in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you, and your God and our God is one and the same. We are Muslims (Ecological Citiens, make PEACE with NATURE/NATURAL ORDER/SUNNATULLAH) wholly submitted to Him (Nature / Animism). (Quran 29:46)

So call and go straight as you have been ordered to. Do not follow their whims and desires but say, ´I have iman in a Ordain sent down by Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) and I am ordered to be just between you. Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) is our Lord and your Lord. We have our actions (religion) and you have your actions (religion). There is no debate between us and you (ANIMISTS). Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) will gather us all together. He is our final destination.´ (Quran 42:15)

 

[dybmh]

He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)

ETHICALISM: Atheism: Reject all gods and all religions.
ANIMISM: Matheism: Accept all gods and all religions.
THEISM: Islam: Accept Torah and Bible, and reject all gods and all religions.

Hello, respectfully: I think that Qur'an 38:5 is a continuation thematically from 38:4.

The "He" from your translation of 38:5 is a "Magician and a liar". see below:

And the disbelievers say, "This is a magician and a liar. Has he made the gods [only] one God? Indeed, this is a curious thing."

Regarding your statement about THEISM:

I think it would be more accurate to say it this way: "... reject all other gods."

ref: Qur'an 38:65

There is not any deity except Allah, the One, the Prevailing.

 

[Matheist]

Hello, respectfully: I think that Qur'an 38:5 is a continuation thematically from 38:4.

The "He" from your translation of 38:5 is a "Magician and a liar". see below:


Regarding your statement about THEISM:

I think it would be more accurate to say it this way: "... reject all other gods."

ref: Qur'an 38:65

The kafir (religism) said that, and "He" is the Messenger of Nature/Sunnatullah.

 

[sealchan]

Worldviews

He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)

ETHICALISM: Atheism: Reject all gods and all religions.
ANIMISM: Matheism: Accept all gods and all religions.
THEISM: Islam: Accept Torah and Bible, and reject all gods and all religions.​

Natural Justice (no religion) vs. Forced Justice (religion)

How does the Quran make all gods same god?

Through the interpretation methodology:

We (Sunnatullah / Nature) are responsible for its interpretation (all Books). (Quran 75:19)

WHEREAS: Sunnatullah means The Ways of Allah or The Law of Nature.

Nature is always logical in everything it does and self-preservation is the first law of nature. Accordingly, logic is responsible for its interpretation and for the self-preservation of natural order. Eco + Logic.
​

Allah is the LordLaw of the Universe (Eco + Logic). (Quran 1:2)​

What does it mean to believe in the Quran?

But as for those who have clear evidence from their LordLaw (of Nature) followed up by a witness from Him (Natural Person) and before it the ordain of Musa came as a model and a mercy (for Tawba, ie. align our nature with NATURE, 7:156-157: Natural Law) — such people have iman in it (Quran). Any faction which rejects it is promised the Fire. Be in no doubt about it. It is the Truth from your Lord. But most people have no iman. (Quran 11:17)

Conclusion:

IF

1. Have iman in Law of Nature
(Believe in Metaphysics, What is Reality? MATH)

2. Have iman in Natural Person
(Believe in Epistemology, What is Knowledge? E)

3. Have iman in Natural Law
(Believe in Axiology, What is Value? ISM)

THEN have iman / read the Quran
​

ELSE have no iman / not read the Quran​

The above is Philosophy (Love of Wisdom)

The Arabs (Jurisprudence : الْأَعْرَابُ Al-aAArabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know "Islam". (Quran 9:97)​

He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)

Accordingly, all religious and non-religious texts must be interpreted through:

1. Law of Nature (The belief in Metaphysics, What is Reality? MATH)
2. Natural Person (The belief in Epistemology, What is Knowledge? E)
3. Natural Law (The belief in Axiology, What is Value? ISM)
​

and before it can VALID/LAWFUL.

Example: Christian Animism

Christian Animism… earth-based, creation-focussed spirituality, God's living prescence within all matter

We believe in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you, and your God and our God is one and the same. We are Muslims (Ecological Citiens) wholly submitted to Him (Nature / Animism). (Quran 29:46)

So call and go straight as you have been ordered to. Do not follow their whims and desires but say, ´I have iman in a Ordain sent down by Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) and I am ordered to be just between you. Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) is our Lord and your Lord. We have our actions (religion) and you have your actions (religion). There is no debate between us and you. Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) will gather us all together. He is our final destination.´ (Quran 42:15)​

Objective

Do not corrupt the earth after it has been put right. (Quran 7:56)
(take only what you need and leave the land as you found it)

Self-preservation (ecological justice) is the first law of nature. (vs. forced justice or political jurisprudence)​

Nature is rarely logical in anything it does.

 

[Matheist]

Nature is rarely logical in anything it does.

From the blind men with the elephant.

How about your human body, is it orderly and logically?

Do they not ponder about their own selves? [THEN compare with] Allah has created the heavens and the earth, and everything in between for a specific purpose. (Quran 30:8)

He created seven heavens (sky) in layers. You do not see any discordance in the creation of the All-beneficent. Look again! Do you see any flaw? (Quran 67:3)

 

[dybmh]

@Matheist ,

I am doing some searching online and I think I found some more info on "Quranic Animism". I have never heard of it, nor read anything about it before. I look forward to learning more about it, and I thank you.

 

[Matheist]

@Matheist ,

I am doing some searching online and I think I found some more info on "Quranic Animism". I have never heard of it, nor read anything about it before. I look forward to learning more about it, and I thank you.

It is very simple. God is the Sunnatullah (Nature)

The Quran = Sound Argument, Soundness (Validity + Truth)​

and here is the main principle Math + E + Ism.

What does it mean to believe in the Quran?

IF

1. Have iman in Law of Nature (Believe in Metaphysics, What is Reality? MATH)
2. Have iman in Natural Person (Believe in Epistemology (Revelations etc), What is Knowledge? E)
3. Have iman in Natural Law (Believe in Axiology, What is Value? ISM)

THEN have iman / read the Quran

ELSE have no iman / not read the Quran

​

The above is Philosophy (Love of Wisdom), THEREFORE:

1. MATH: Quranic / Torah / Bible / Bhagavad Gita etc Metaphysics [God is ENERGY / SPIRIT]
2. E: Quranic / Torah / Bible / Bhagavad Gita etc Epistemology [Knowledge is Muhkamat / Logical]
3. ISM: Quranic / Torah / Bible / Bhagavad Gita etc Axiology [Value is Ecological Justice (Islam)]

Regardless of Gods and Religions. All these people are Muslim (Ecological Citizens)

Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) is our Lord and your Lord. We have our actions (religion) and you have your actions (religion). There is no debate between us and you (ANIMISTS). Allah (Sunnatullah , LordLaw of Nature) will gather us all together. He is our final destination.´ (Quran 42:15)

 

[Quintessence]

You are presenting a very different representation for animism than I am familiar with. Animism I am familiar with describes animals, plants, rocks, rivers, lakes, and other objects of the world to have an inner spiritual essence. How does that mean accept all gods and all religions?

No kidding. No offense, but I don't think you know what animism is, @Matheist. What you are talking about is a combination of pluralism and polytheism.

 

[sealchan]

From the blind men with the elephant.

How about your human body, is it orderly and logically?

Do they not ponder about their own selves? [THEN compare with] Allah has created the heavens and the earth, and everything in between for a specific purpose. (Quran 30:8)

He created seven heavens (sky) in layers. You do not see any discordance in the creation of the All-beneficent. Look again! Do you see any flaw? (Quran 67:3)

It is humanities creations which have a recognizable logic. But in nature purpose co-arises with context. Nothing has a purpose except in the context in which it finds itself. Change the context and purpose changes. This is called repurposing and it exposes the self-deception of a pre-designed logical order. In fact everything is imperfect although each part seems well fitted. This is the quality of the Undesigned.

 

[Matheist]

@Matheist. What you are talking about is a combination of pluralism and polytheism.

I'm talking about Allah is ENERGY/Spirit and everything is Allah/Energy/Spirit. There is no reality but Energy/Spirit/Allah etc. Our God and your God are one and the same, Nature's God. This is the very basis of animism.

 

[Matheist]

Change the context and purpose changes. This is called repurposing and it exposes the self-deception of a pre-designed logical order.

There are only two contexts from the Quran:

1. Do not cut down the trees (the metaphor for ecological justice, ecological order)
2. IF Good people, THEN disobey bad rules/laws ie. ecological disorder, ELSE, bad people. (forced justice or political jurisprudence... The Reformers)​

Eat freely from it wherever you will. But do not cut down this tree and so become wrongdoers. (Quran 2:35)

Their Lord called out to them, ´Did I not forbid you this tree and say to you, "[Human] Shaytan is an outright enemy to you"? (Quran 7:22)​

WHEREAS, Human Shaytan means:

Shaytans from both mankind and from the jinn, who inspire (religism, schism, divide & conquer) each other with delusions (unnatural) by means of specious words (fallacies) — if your LordLaw (of Nature) had willed, they would not have done it, so abandon them and all they fabricate (ie. forced justice or political jurisprudence, vs. Ecological Justice/Jurisprudence). (Quran 6:112)​

 

[Sanzbir]

Bro, that's one hell of an omitted context. Quran 38:4-5: "And they wonder that there has come to them a warner from among themselves. And the disbelievers say, 'This is a magician and a liar. Has he made the gods one God? Indeed, this is a curious thing.'"

 

[Matheist]

Bro, that's one hell of an omitted context. Quran 38:4-5: "And they wonder that there has come to them a warner from among themselves. And the disbelievers say, 'This is a magician and a liar. Has he made the gods one God? Indeed, this is a curious thing.'"

ISSUE: Did the Messenger made all gods one god?

 

[Bear Wild]

No kidding. No offense, but I don't think you know what animism is, @Matheist. What you are talking about is a combination of pluralism and polytheism.

I am sorry why don't you help me understand?

 

[Quintessence]

I am sorry why don't you help me understand?

Not, you... Matheist (hence I tagged him). You understand animisim correctly. Matheist does not.

I'm talking about Allah is ENERGY/Spirit and everything is Allah/Energy/Spirit. There is no reality but Energy/Spirit/Allah etc. Our God and your God are one and the same, Nature's God. This is the very basis of animism.

This sounds like a monotheistic distortion of animism to try and reconcile it with monotheistic theologies. Animism is not at all what you describe. Wild Fox gave a good description of what animism actually is. I would suggest reading it if you haven't already.

And no, your one-god is not the same as my gods. Nor is your one-god the same as animism. Again, I think you are confusing animism with either pluralism, polytheism, or pantheism. In any case, they are hardly interchangeable.

 

[Matheist]

This sounds like a monotheistic distortion of animism to try and reconcile it with monotheistic theologies. Animism is not at all what you describe. Wild Fox gave a good description of what animism actually is. I would suggest reading it if you haven't already.

And no, your one-god is not the same as my gods. Nor is your one-god the same as animism. Again, I think you are confusing animism with either pluralism, polytheism, or pantheism. In any case, they are hardly interchangeable.

It is Matheism and it is with proof. You can bring verses from the Quran for the counterargument that the Quran does not refer to Animism.

It is He who raised up among the unlettered 'native' people a Messenger from them to recite His 'natural' Signs to them and purify them and teach them the Ordain and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Quran 62:2)​

He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)