Racism Hate and Sin

[sayak83]

What are your thoughts or experiences on the subject? And what do you think about the idea of sin being the root of racism and hatred?


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The idea is wrong. As discussed by others, racism is rooted in the instinct to protect ingroups against outgroups. When you see two lion clans fighting for terretory in a documentary, what you are seeing is the roots of racism, xenophobia etc. at the instinct level.

 

[Viker]

Do you think those with low self-esteem are actually acting self-centered when they harm others?

When they harm others, yes. Not all with low self-esteem harm others or are self-centered.

 

[Viker]

People can be afflicted with passivity and just be too kind always feeling they need to please others. That's hardly sin and not evil.

 

[InChrist]

When they harm others, yes. Not all with low self-esteem harm others or are self-centered.

Yes, I realize not all with low self-esteem harm others.

 

[InChrist]

People can be afflicted with passivity and just be too kind always feeling they need to please others. That's hardly sin and not evil.

I agree.

 

[InChrist]

The idea is wrong. As discussed by others, racism is rooted in the instinct to protect ingroups against outgroups. When you see two lion clans fighting for terretory in a documentary, what you are seeing is the roots of racism, xenophobia etc. at the instinct level.

Which idea are you referring to?

 

[InChrist]

The idea is wrong. As discussed by others, racism is rooted in the instinct to protect ingroups against outgroups. When you see two lion clans fighting for terretory in a documentary, what you are seeing is the roots of racism, xenophobia etc. at the instinct level.

Okay, thanks for your perspective. So do you consider racism wrong or acceptable, if it is rooted in instinct?

 

[MatthewA]

The idea is wrong. As discussed by others, racism is rooted in the instinct to protect ingroups against outgroups. When you see two lion clans fighting for terretory in a documentary, what you are seeing is the roots of racism, xenophobia etc. at the instinct level.

So would you say that it something that is learned from others; say someone with the same ideology decide to believe they are the ones who have the authority and power over others?

Would this have to do anything with the heart/mind?

 

[MatthewA]

People can be afflicted with passivity and just be too kind always feeling they need to please others. That's hardly sin and not evil.

What do you mean by this?

Maybe pleasing others for the acceptance of being accepted; what if the person they are trying to please always tells the person they are never good enough?

Have you ever had an experience like this?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What are your thoughts or experiences on the subject? And what do you think about the idea of sin being the root of racism and hatred?


NYC Shrink Tells Yale Audience She Fantasizes About Shooting White People in Head: I HAVE NEWS FOR THIS WOMAN – the Problem is NOT RACISM – It is ‘SIN’ and Every Person in the World Has It!

Why did you link to that (rambling and IMO unhinged) post in particular?

 

[MatthewA]

I don't believe there is a god. Sin, in the christian sense, means anything a person do that's contrary to what god says and wants. I don't have god as a criteria to know what's moral and what's immoral. So, using the word sin would be inappropriate unless I believed in a god that has that edict.

So you do not believe in or that there is a God.

What would your personal criteria be of what is moral and what is immoral ?

 

[MatthewA]

Why did you link to that (rambling and IMO unhinged) post in particular?

What are your thoughts about sin?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What are your thoughts about sin?

I don't have much use for the concept, myself.

I stand behind my own judgements of right and wrong. I don't try to pawn them off as suppsedly endorsed by God.

 

[sayak83]

So would you say that it something that is learned from others; say someone with the same ideology decide to believe they are the ones who have the authority and power over others?

Would this have to do anything with the heart/mind?

What is involved is someone pointing out which group one should get into. Once one is inside a group, hostility and distrust if everyone outside that group is extremely instinctual in humans. One can unlearn it and suppress through proper education and reflection. But it raises its head if one becomes emotional, insecure or simply distracted from some reason.
At least that is what psychological studies show if I remember correctly.
Also note this is like a "mean" observation. There will be exceptions to this, outliers who are either not racist at all or very very racist on either side of the mean.

 

[MatthewA]

I think the root of hatred and racism is ignorance. Folks need to get out more, talk to people, interrelate, walk together, and for the love of God stop thinking their view of the world is any better than someone else's. It would help immensely to stop passing it on. A kid shouldn't have to wake up at age 16, and deprogram himself of hate.

I believe it has to do more with the heart than anything. I remember at the age of 16; and had it easy, but my heart just simply hated everything around me; probably because of never really having any guidance in life and always having problems in my family. Use to hate my family, and problems along my entire life until around 26; when meeting the Lord Jesus Christ and my life started slowly changing around.

 

[MatthewA]

What is involved is someone pointing out which group one should get into. Once one is inside a group, hostility and distrust if everyone outside that group is extremely instinctual in humans. One can unlearn it and suppress through proper education and reflection. But it raises its head if one becomes emotional, insecure or simply distracted from some reason.
At least that is what psychological studies show if I remember correctly.
Also note this is like a "mean" observation. There will be exceptions to this, outliers who are either not racist at all or very very racist on either side of the mean.

Sayak83; thank you for your thoughts on this.

One group; has power over a group because they have established they are right and everyone else is wrong; which a group mentality; they try and dominate everything and control the group. (I would suggest this has to do with the mind/heart, in which is focused sole on the selfish desires and gains for the group itself.

Would you say leaving the group above; after say being in it for 12 years would take time change from once was learned, and how would a person change? What would they need to do?

One group; desires to love and have compassion towards others regardless of their disposition; and even lets them freely go if they decide to leave, and they can come back and in with welcome greetings. (This is another mind/heart matter ; dealing with delighting in ((Romans 7:22)God's Law) spiritual things / where the flesh of mind (law of sin) and heart are subdued by the spirit.

 

[Viker]

What do you mean by this?

Maybe pleasing others for the acceptance of being accepted; what if the person they are trying to please always tells the person they are never good enough?

Have you ever had an experience like this?

I was pointing out a previously described character flaw that many sociopaths share with non-sociopaths. Showing that acts of evil stem from many flaws. But many of those flaws are in harmless people.

I don't believe in actual sin as described by many. But I believe there is real world evil.

And most of the negative characteristics are environmental and a part of one's upbringing. Not some inherent sin. I believe we are born pure without blemish. As age rolls on we pick up good/bad traits. And later we act on them.

 

[MatthewA]

I was pointing out a previously described character flaw that many sociopaths share with non-sociopaths. Showing that acts of evil stem from many flaws. But many of those flaws are in harmless people.

I don't believe in actual sin as described by many. But I believe there is real world evil.

And most of the negative characteristics are environmental and a part of one's upbringing. Not some inherent sin. I believe we are born pure without blemish. As age rolls on we pick up good/bad traits. And later we act on them.

Hello Viker; thank you for opening more on your viewpoint.

I do not agree with being born pure and without blemish. (I do believe sin for all people who are born was paid for though by Christ Jesus.)

A baby receives everything from the mother, and father growing up.

The world is given to the baby; change of clothes; being put into bed; being fed by a bottle, being fed with food. Everything to the baby is given; and I believe when the baby turns into a Child.

You ever seen a child in the store acting out when they do not get what they desire? Giving the mother or father a hard time because of the desire that the child is wanting is not getting met? We have plenty of blemish marks through out life.

Or A child blames another child for something the was actually the blamers fault?

Would agree with you though on environmental surrounds can have an effect on our lives.

 

[Viker]

You ever seen a child in the store acting out when they do not get what they desire? Giving the mother or father a hard time because of the desire that the child is wanting is not getting met

Many times.

I believe that what parents do next influence the child. So that later on they may be a spoiled adult, a cop or maybe even a thief.

 

[ChristineM]

Sin is a religious idea, racism is a human thing and down is poor to education. The way to stamp it out is with better education in church, school and parenting.