Racism Hate and Sin

[sayak83]

Sayak83; thank you for your thoughts on this.

One group; has power over a group because they have established they are right and everyone else is wrong; which a group mentality; they try and dominate everything and control the group. (I would suggest this has to do with the mind/heart, in which is focused sole on the selfish desires and gains for the group itself.

Would you say leaving the group above; after say being in it for 12 years would take time change from once was learned, and how would a person change? What would they need to do?

One group; desires to love and have compassion towards others regardless of their disposition; and even lets them freely go if they decide to leave, and they can come back and in with welcome greetings. (This is another mind/heart matter ; dealing with delighting in ((Romans 7:22)God's Law) spiritual things / where the flesh of mind (law of sin) and heart are subdued by the spirit.

While having noble group goals will keep ingroup tendencies in check, the likelihood of eliminating it is low. Usually having the noble goals itself becomes the source and excuse for discrimination. Idealism fails because it fails to account for the realities of human nature and behaviour. Bigotry and racism is better tackled by science informed structures of group dynamics and checks and balances rather than noble ideals that sound good but does not work on the ground.

 

[sayak83]

Sayak83; thank you for your thoughts on this.

One group; has power over a group because they have established they are right and everyone else is wrong; which a group mentality; they try and dominate everything and control the group. (I would suggest this has to do with the mind/heart, in which is focused sole on the selfish desires and gains for the group itself.

Would you say leaving the group above; after say being in it for 12 years would take time change from once was learned, and how would a person change? What would they need to do?

One group; desires to love and have compassion towards others regardless of their disposition; and even lets them freely go if they decide to leave, and they can come back and in with welcome greetings. (This is another mind/heart matter ; dealing with delighting in ((Romans 7:22)God's Law) spiritual things / where the flesh of mind (law of sin) and heart are subdued by the spirit.

By the way. Here is an informative link to a series of studies on this
The Science Behind Racism: A Psychological Approach - The Oxford Scientist

 

[MatthewA]

Thank you for sharing with me @sayak83

Here is this brother Definition of PSYCHOLOGY

Psychology is the study of the mind

Definition of psychology


1: the science of mind and behavior
2a: the mental or behavioral characteristics of an individual or group
b: the study of mind and behavior in relation to a particular field of knowledge or activity
3: a theory or system of psychologyFreudian psychologythe psychology of Jung

Where does the mind come from? I do not even believe they are totally sure, but for me it would be from the soul - mind(heart)/will/emotion.

The Roots of Psychology
The word psychology was formed by combining the Greek psychē (meaning “breath, principle of life, life, soul,”) with –logia (which comes from the Greek logos, meaning “speech, word, reason”). An early use appears in Nicholas Culpeper’s mid-17th century translation of Simeon Partliz’s A New Method of Physick, in which it is stated that “Psychologie is the knowledge of the Soul.” Today, psychology is concerned with the science or study of the mind and behavior. Many branches of psychology are differentiated by the specific field to which they belong, such as animal psychology, child psychology, and sports psychology.

 

[Clara Tea]

What are your thoughts or experiences on the subject? And what do you think about the idea of sin being the root of racism and hatred?


NYC Shrink Tells Yale Audience She Fantasizes About Shooting White People in Head: I HAVE NEWS FOR THIS WOMAN – the Problem is NOT RACISM – It is ‘SIN’ and Every Person in the World Has It!

I've often said that we can't "easily" fight a monster without becoming one.

For example, we should have held public dialogs with Osama bin Laden to show the world that he attacks cowardly, and has no real purpose to his attacks, and that he prefers terrorism over diplomacy. This way, he'd ruin his own reputation.

Instead, after killing a million Iraqis, killing in Afghanistan too, and making a torture camp, and telling lies about the urgency to fight, the United States ended up with a horrible reputation, and many citizens joining the al Qaeda (aka ISI or ISIS).

God doesn't want us to judge. But, if we don't judge that some are racists, or try to recognize Satan or sin, we might end up following Satan or sinning. We have to judge in order to choose the right side.

The article is about a woman who fantasizes about shooting someone. I just finished writing a parody of the Religious Right gun advocates, trying to show how awkward the marriage of the two ideas really is. I invoked the parody of Denny Crane (William Shatner) of Boston Legal (TV show), in which he just wanted to shoot someone because he was with the Religious Right.

It seems so wrong to want gun violence and still follow Christ. It also seems so wrong for the KKK to wear a cross and be so far off of the objectives of Christ.

I don't think that sin is at the root of racism, but do think that racism is one of many facets of sin.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I believe all our worst impulses and behaviours - sins if you like - are rooted in fear. Fear of being found out, (dishonesty), fear of going without (greed), fear of coming to harm (anger), fear of loss (jealousy), etc.

Racism is a fairly obvious manifestation of fear - fear of outsiders, fear of ‘the other’.

The antidote to fear is faith, imo. That doesn’t have to mean faith in God btw. But you have to have faith in something.

 

[sayak83]

Thank you for sharing with me @sayak83

Here is this brother Definition of PSYCHOLOGY

Psychology is the study of the mind

Definition of psychology


1: the science of mind and behavior
2a: the mental or behavioral characteristics of an individual or group
b: the study of mind and behavior in relation to a particular field of knowledge or activity
3: a theory or system of psychologyFreudian psychologythe psychology of Jung

Where does the mind come from? I do not even believe they are totally sure, but for me it would be from the soul - mind(heart)/will/emotion.

The Roots of Psychology
The word psychology was formed by combining the Greek psychē (meaning “breath, principle of life, life, soul,”) with –logia (which comes from the Greek logos, meaning “speech, word, reason”). An early use appears in Nicholas Culpeper’s mid-17th century translation of Simeon Partliz’s A New Method of Physick, in which it is stated that “Psychologie is the knowledge of the Soul.” Today, psychology is concerned with the science or study of the mind and behavior. Many branches of psychology are differentiated by the specific field to which they belong, such as animal psychology, child psychology, and sports psychology.

I would say that the mental states are generated by the brain while the subjective experience of these mental states is done by the non-material Self.
Regardless, psychology does provide interesting and useful insights as to what causes these biases and how they may be removed.

 

[firedragon]

What do you think it is caused by?

I dont know brother.

 

[Vinayaka]

Thank you for clarifying your perspective further. What do you think about those who do know better, I mean like those who realize they are harming others, yet deliberately choose to continue?

They face a greater consequence for their actions than those who don't know better. (the law of karma in Hinduism) I've observed that in myself, in the form of guilt or remorse. It's a deeper regret when you know better. What's your view?

 

[Vinayaka]

I believe it has to do more with the heart than anything. I remember at the age of 16; and had it easy, but my heart just simply hated everything around me; probably because of never really having any guidance in life and always having problems in my family. Use to hate my family, and problems along my entire life until around 26; when meeting the Lord Jesus Christ and my life started slowly changing around.

Not all of us were raised with hate. I was a lucky one. Dad hired a Metis kid and a French Canadian friend from the war as hired farm hands, partially to set an example for racist neighbours.

 

[Vinayaka]

I’d sooner eat okra than kale. Okra can be coated and deep fried. But kale!? Kale is proof the gods have a twisted collective sense of humor... worthy of mine.

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Fresh organic garden kale is my go to every day for about 3 months. Chopped, grilled, stir-fried, and then we freeze quite a bit for the nutrition over winter. Boss adds it to her hearty soups. I will plant more today, because some stupid songbirds seem to have taken a liking to my garden this year.

 

[Vinayaka]

That’s interesting, thanks for more insight.
From my perspective it’s Jesus who offers release and freedom from the curse of sin and evil.

For some, (not you) that's a slippery slope. I once had a 'Christian' acquaintance who, after doing unkind stuff would say, "It's all good. I've been saved." I know that's an incorrect view, but it doesn't seem that far off, if that guy could do it.

 

[Colt]

What are your thoughts or experiences on the subject? And what do you think about the idea of sin being the root of racism and hatred?


NYC Shrink Tells Yale Audience She Fantasizes About Shooting White People in Head: I HAVE NEWS FOR THIS WOMAN – the Problem is NOT RACISM – It is ‘SIN’ and Every Person in the World Has It!

With sin being deliberate disloyalty to deity and deity has asked us to love one another, the argument could be made that sin is at the root of racism. But I would say "fear" is the culprit. Racial "jealousy" is another.

 

[MatthewA]

Not all of us were raised with hate. I was a lucky one. Dad hired a Metis kid and a French Canadian friend from the war as hired farm hands, partially to set an example for racist neighbours.

It came naturally no one taught me to hate.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

What are your thoughts or experiences on the subject? And what do you think about the idea of sin being the root of racism and hatred?


NYC Shrink Tells Yale Audience She Fantasizes About Shooting White People in Head: I HAVE NEWS FOR THIS WOMAN – the Problem is NOT RACISM – It is ‘SIN’ and Every Person in the World Has It!

God's existence cannot be demonstrated or proven, and so that puts the concept of "sin" in the same boat. You can't very well act against the will of a God that doesn't even exist in the first place.

As an aside, the article's author was a bit all over the place... like the way she mentioned her interaction with the little boy and the parents' harsh reaction to it, went on to complain about the hospital staff for a couple paragraphs, and then came back to the little boy and his parents as the example of racist sinners in action. She took a break from the main point of her entire "article" (if you can call it this - it is quite a mess) to air her grievances with hospital staff. This is stream-of-consciousness type writing, which could be okay in some contexts... but that is definitely not what this particular author was going for, I can tell. With her claims of "doing her research" (let's hope she doesn't write about it) at home under quarantine, etc. Her ideas are out there somewhere... without a hope of them coming down here to Earth, unfortunately.

 

[Rival]

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[InChrist]

They face a greater consequence for their actions than those who don't know better. (the law of karma in Hinduism) I've observed that in myself, in the form of guilt or remorse. It's a deeper regret when you know better. What's your view?

Well, I think until the end of one’s life here on earth the Holy Spirit continually convicts a person of wrong attitudes and behavior giving opportunities for sorrow, repentance and change. From what I see in the scriptures though the more one rejects the Spirit, the more callous or hardened their heart and mind become. Possibly to the point where change becomes very difficult or impossible. Only God knows when anyone reaches that point and from my perspective there is always hope until death. After that, one’s eternal destiny in in God’s hands and I believe that those who are not in heaven with Christ are in varying degrees of punishment for their sins. Can’t say I know much detail concerning that subject, though.

 

[InChrist]

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That’s too bad, I was hoping to keep it a discussion, rather than debate. But whatever the staff thinks is best is fine. Thanks

 

[The_Fisher_King]

What are your thoughts or experiences on the subject? And what do you think about the idea of sin being the root of racism and hatred?


NYC Shrink Tells Yale Audience She Fantasizes About Shooting White People in Head: I HAVE NEWS FOR THIS WOMAN – the Problem is NOT RACISM – It is ‘SIN’ and Every Person in the World Has It!

Insofar as sin is transgression against Divine law, and insofar as I believe that God has commanded us not to be arrogant, nor ridicule other people, nor insult others, but rather has created us from male and female and made us into peoples and tribes that we may know one another, I believe sin is the root of racism.

 

[InChrist]

Why did you link to that (rambling and IMO unhinged) post in particular?

It may be a bit rambling, but I don’t think it’s “unhinged “. I had just read it and thought the connection between racism and sin was a good topic for discussion. You may be interested in the linked article below which looks at the subject from a slightly different perspective...

Do You Love Black People?

 

[Vinayaka]

Well, I think until the end of one’s life here on earth the Holy Spirit continually convicts a person of wrong attitudes and behavior giving opportunities for sorrow, repentance and change. From what I see in the scriptures though the more one rejects the Spirit, the more callous or hardened their heart and mind become. Possibly to the point where change becomes very difficult or impossible. Only God knows when anyone reaches that point and from my perspective there is always hope until death. After that, one’s eternal destiny in in God’s hands and I believe that those who are not in heaven with Christ are in varying degrees of punishment for their sins. Can’t say I know much detail concerning that subject, though.

And this is where I'll opt out. No matter how many rational and heartfelt or insightful things I can say, about racism and injustice, or how much charity I could do, I'll always be seen as a sinner in need of repentance. It's a belief I don't share, but you have the right to believe it.
Cheerio. Best wishes.