Those are valid (perhaps even insightful) considerations, but what if you have an identifiable category of people X who do in fact steal?Here are my problems with these types of statements. ...
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Those are valid (perhaps even insightful) considerations, but what if you have an identifiable category of people X who do in fact steal?Here are my problems with these types of statements. ...
I'd suggest that it's never really OK to generalise about any group - that's the fundamental basis of discrimination. There are exceptions to every rule so even when your description is statistically accurate, you're always going to be misrepresenting someone. I don't think there is ever a good reason for such sweeping generalisation. If you wish to highlight a particular problem (with the aim of trying to resolve it) you need to be more focused and detailed.When is it ok to say 'things' about a group of people?
That rather depends on how you're defining "nazi". Some involved in the movement we're not bad people but just felt trapped in a bad situation.Can I say nazis are evil?
China isn't a group of people, it's a nation. You couldn't say "All Chinese abuse human rights".Can I say China has a problem with human rights?
No, that's simply not true.Can I say teenagers are self centered?
No, that's demonstrably not true.Can I say Germans have no sense of humor?
Brits are impatient.Look, you're clearly working around to some relevation here. Why not just get to the point?
Consider the statement, "Roma steal.".I'd suggest that it's never really OK to generalise about any group - that's the fundamental basis of discrimination. There are exceptions to every rule so even when your description is statistically accurate, you're always going to be misrepresenting someone.
Brits have bad teeth.Brits are impatient.
Those are valid (perhaps even insightful) considerations, but what if you have an identifiable category of people X who do in fact steal?
But that is not the point (or, perhaps, precisely the point). A characterization about a definable group is or is not accurate. If accurate, that characterization is or is not inheritable.If I had an identifiable, self identified ethnic group in which a significant number stole I would probably like to see some members of that group volunteer for neurological studies. I don't know what percentage would comprise a significant part of the group. A simple majority?
But that is not the point (or, perhaps, precisely the point). A characterization about a definable group is or is not accurate. If accurate, that characterization is or is not inheritable.
Really? Black Africans have a tendency to exhibit sickle-cell anaemia.If the statement were phrased "group X has a tendency to steal" it's merely a question of the accuracy of the statement and there is no implication of an inherit nature to steal.
Brits are impatient.
Really? Black Africans have a tendency to exhibit sickle-cell anaemia.
I understand, but the distiction is ploblematic because a tendency may be an ineritable trait.
As with bullying, if the person on the receiving end perceives statements or behaviour as offensive - then they are offensive.
I thought I did...Look, you're clearly working around to some relevation here. Why not just get to the point?
I am simply having trouble finding the line where something becomes discrimination.But why?
When is it ok to say 'things' about a group of people?
Perhaps I'm using the term incorrectly. Do you take issue with the statement: Black Africans have a significantly higher tendency to exibit sicle-cell anemia and a resistence to malaria.
Been there - done that.No, that makes perfect sense to me.
At this point I've lost track of the thread and my original piint. I'll have to get back to this thread later this weekend after all my work shifts. I had a point. Now it's gone and after dealing with corporate and very trying customers I cannot focus properly on my break for this.
Everyone chooses a different line, & it changes.So, again, I am just trying to figure out where the line is.