Rape culture

[freethinker44]

Yes it is controllable when you realize you need help, but you have to get to that realization first.

Nope. As long we have the ability to form thoughts, we have the ability to control them.

 

[psychoslice]

Oh trust me, this lind of subejct thread is likely to get hot as it is. Id advice a new thread for what can be addiction or not, and you knowhow the free will threads get anyways.

You are bringing too many big fish here, not one will be given proper follow up!

By the sound of your attitude i don't really care if you follow up on what I share or not, like who do you think you are ?.

 

[psychoslice]

Nope. As long we have the ability to form thoughts, we have the ability to control them.

That sound a bit naive to me.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

I'm not going to argue semantics with you.

Nobody's trying to argue semantics. You just need a convenient way to avoid acknowledging the fact that (at least one of) the arguments being presented by you and/or the douche in the youtube video is just a plain ol' non-sequitur.

 

[Curious George]

A lot? Being powerthisty is a common archetype for males honestly.

They say in Alexander the Great's tomb it said something like "For a man to which the world did not suffice, one tomb is enough"

The question would be more interestin from the angle of how much movies protray males. Period. Which is an interesting analisis bia Bechdel test.

In any case, what is the point?

The point is that men having insatiable uncontrollable sexual desire contributes to the concept of "he's a man, he can't help himself".

Absolutely glad you brought up the Bechdel test. If women are objectified to the point of only serving purpose to the male, you don't think this encourages rape?

Oh, and did you want me to name movies just so you can say that there are more movies that glorify violence or do you honestly not think there are movies which glorify rape?

Any how, a wife to be sacrificed, salo, and August underground mordum surely qualify, but if you want more popular ones a clockwork orange, and that's my boy also glorify rape.

Nevermind the whole sub genre of porn directed at rape fantasy, who I am guessing crank out a good 2 to 1 films per glorifying murder flick.

Are we counting anime too?

I am not trying to say our culture doesn't glorify murder. I am saying our culture does also encourage rape- not always but it's there. I truly believe that if you can't see it, you have your head in the sand.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

I would venture to say that "rape culture" has probably diminished a little bit from, say, 50 or even 20 years ago. But if rape culture is defined as certain tendencies such as blaming the victim/justifying the act, trivializing rape, and so on, then there isn't much of a question whether there is such a thing- its not really credible to dispute that these things happen; they simply do, and there are plenty of people who (unfortunately) can attest to that. And these phenomena are probably linked to the other societal attitudes towards women and sex; i.e. the double standards that apply to women regarding sex, the overall prevalence of sexual objectification of women, etc.- but like I said, I'd like to think we've made some progress on this front in the last few decades. However, I would also say that, ironically enough, trying to make ridiculous claims like "rape culture does not exist" could arguably qualify as rape culture- if you're denying and marginalizing factors which facilitate rape (i.e. the attitudes and behavior that constitute rape culture), then by extension, you're indirectly facilitating rape , and that would be rape culture as well, it seems to me (albeit of a far less flagrant variety).

 

[freethinker44]

Nobody's trying to argue semantics. You just need a convenient way to avoid acknowledging the fact that (at least one of) the arguments being presented by you and/or the douche in the youtube video is just a plain ol' non-sequitur.

Ok fine, you win. By the exact, literal definition of the terms, rape culture clearly exists. So now that you won your argument I guess you have no reason to participate in this discussion. The rest of us are having a meaningful discussion. Good day, sir.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Do you need a tissue, or are you going to be alright?

 

[Enai de a lukal]

And that wasn't so hard, was it, eh? Honesty? Like pulling teeth with some people.

 

[Pegg]

I was using addiction as an example, but yes there are some people who are addicted to raping, just do some reading in criminal psychology.

well, you only get addicted to things through repeated action... nothing begins as an addiction.... its developed.

 

[freethinker44]

Do you need a tissue, or are you going to be alright?

And that wasn't so hard, was it, eh? Honesty? Like pulling teeth with some people.

You're still here? Were there more words being used improperly that you feel needed to be pointed out? No? I'm going to get back to ignoring your semantics argument and discuss the prevalence of rape culture.

 

[Thana]

That sound a bit naive to me.

Sorry buddy, But actually looks to be you who is naive.


"Sorry Judge, I had to rape that chick. I could not stop myself at all."

"Sorry Judge, Had to steal that money, Just couldn't help myself, A thought came into my head and I couldn't ignore it!!! Oh the shame"

Yeah, Like that's gonna go down.
Or even be remotely true.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

You're still here? Were there more words being used improperly that you feel needed to be pointed out? No? I'm going to get back to ignoring your semantics argument and discuss the prevalence of rape culture.

Yeah, that was probably mostly my fault that "rape culture does not exist" appeared in the first sentence of your OP. If you're going to act like a crybaby when someone disputes what appears to be the implication of your post, then try to write more clearly. :yes:

 

[psychoslice]

well, you only get addicted to things through repeated action... nothing begins as an addiction.... its developed.

The addiction starts in the mind by continually thinking of doing it, it then becomes an action, its not like most addictions, but it still is in many ways.

 

[Me Myself]

And that wasn't so hard, was it, eh? Honesty? Like pulling teeth with some people.

You missed his point.

Thats why he told you you were right, yes you were right, but not in what he was actually interested to argue about.

I do will say he could have been clearerbefore.

There is as much of a "rape" culture as of a "culture to have bob as a name and drive a blue jeep" . You will find some in the movies, but the point is that it will be so minimal as to the point where it comes to the question why is such a big deal being raised?

Violence is part of the culture in media and rape does not escape this. I think we all agree on that, as freethinker has already told you he never really intended to debate that (semantics aside ( yes, semantics) )

Now you tissue thing would be anice example of our "emotions are wrong and sissy" culture, but in any case were pretty much completely out of the point.

 

[Me Myself]

Yeah, that was probably mostly my fault that "rape culture does not exist" appeared in the first sentence of your OP. If you're going to act like a crybaby when someone disputes what appears to be the implication of your post, then try to write more clearly. :yes:

He already told you you are right.

What do you want? A lollypop?

Hs choice of words was poor, now that you (hopefully) know what is actually being argued you are free to argue or keep bickering like a sore bully .

Please dont bore us with the latter.

 

[psychoslice]

Sorry buddy, But actually looks to be you who is naive.


"Sorry Judge, I had to rape that chick. I could not stop myself at all."

"Sorry Judge, Had to steal that money, Just couldn't help myself, A thought came into my head and I couldn't ignore it!!! Oh the shame"

Yeah, Like that's gonna go down.
Or even be remotely true.

Don't be silly, it is an addiction in many ways, but that doesn't mean we have to except that, hence we have laws against it, Dhoo.

 

[freethinker44]

Yeah, that was probably mostly my fault that "rape culture does not exist" appeared in the first sentence of your OP. If you're going to act like a crybaby when someone disputes what appears to be the implication of your post, then try to write more clearly. :yes:

Everyone else understood it but you. Clearly you're the problem here, maybe you should take a reading comprehension course or something. I'm not going to argue semantics with you.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

I do will say he could have been clearerbefore.

:yes:

There is as much of a "rape" culture as of a "culture to have bob as a name and drive a blue jeep" . You will find some in the movies, but the point is that it will be so minimal as to the point where it comes to the question why is such a big deal being raised?

What are you basing this on, out of curiosity?

Violence is part of the culture in media and rape does not escape this.

I think you may be mistaking what "rape culture" refers to; which would explain the movie comment earlier. Rape culture isn't confined to media- in fact, a large part of it has nothing to do with media or popular culture, but more with attitudes and beliefs; for instance, the belief that women who dress... erm, scantily, are "asking for it"- i.e. justifying or trivializing rape, and rationalizing the act. Or how promiscuity may be offered as a reason or explanation for a rape. These are the things which, I think, "rape culture" refers to for most people- although depictions of rape in the media may certainly qualify as well (and, arguably, the level of sexual objectification of women in general- i.e. in movies, TV, magazines, etc.).

I'm just not sure how to accurately quantify or guess how prevalent these things actually are- although, as I said, I think (or hope) they are better now than they were a generation or two ago.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Everyone else understood it but you. Clearly you're the problem here, maybe you should take a reading comprehension course or something. I'm not going to argue semantics with you.

Of course, I guess I (often mistakenly) assume people mean what they write or say.