To be fair, Sam Harris does display traits of a bigot. I think that quote alone is evidence enough to support that.
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Rape or Religion?
- Thread starter Nakosis
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To be fair, Sam Harris does display traits of a bigot. I think that quote alone is evidence enough to support that.
The net end of religion might be the demise of the human race, but we do not know that. There really isn't anything good about rape, imo. So, add all the rapes up and rape is much, much worse than religion.
A rape can't affect the outcome of the Earth' population and it is my opinion that religion can. In that case, religion would be worse, but in human terms, rape is worse. Always.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Absolutely not. Many people find a lot of positives in their religious beliefs. I've never run into anybody who would like to be raped.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
One big difference. Religion is not forced on anyone. Just look how many atheists there are. Can you say the same about rape? Has your mother or wife or sister even been the victim of rape? Ask her if religion is worse.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Rape hands down. Religion is awesome as it has helped us maintain a stable population whenever we had interfaith discussions.
It's like you escaped from a psycho and found shelter in a house full of hungry tigers...
Terrific....
Imagine a world with no religion, said John Lennon..but not if the price to pay is too high
Terrific....
Imagine a world with no religion, said John Lennon..but not if the price to pay is too high
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Subduction Zone
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Yes, all rapes are bad. But countless people have been killed, tortured, mistreated in various ways due to religious beliefs. Death is far worse than rape. Torture is not so good either. He may still have a valid point. People are usually good in spite of religion and not due to religion.
Subduction Zone
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You clearly have no clue when it comes to how religions spread over the ages. Ask the Native Americans how they became Christians. Look into the history of Islam, heck Christianity was largely spread by the sword once it got a firm foothold in Rome.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
I repeat. Have you asked a woman who was the victim of rape what she thinks is worse?
TheBannerofHomuraAkemi
Active Member
Does God care about rape? I don't know let go ask Tamar.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
How do we ask those killed by religious zealots which is worse?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Was she ever raped? All that I remember is that her second husband was credited with inventing the "pop shot".
But, there is nothing to prove whether what the bad people have done sighting their religious belief would have happened for another reason, like political. But, rape has no excuse.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Sorry, but this simply makes no sense. Now you are trying to claim that the evil done in the name of religion would have occurred even without religion. The problem is that religion has been used as an excuse for organized persecution of others. How are you going to have organized persecution without the organization?
Is organized persecution worse than unorganized persecution?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Of course. It amounts to scale. The persecution of Jews during the holocaust was a religious persecution. It may have been due to a misapplication of Christianity, so please do not try to use a No True Scotsman fallacy, but it occurred due to religious beliefs.
Really? No, it is my opinion that those who perpetrated the Holocaust were as far away from religious belief as a person can get. The victims were killed because they were connected by a former religion by birth. I understand that some people might have joined in it with an assumed backing from God, but I wouldn't call that religion. I would call that stupid.
Subduction Zone
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They are simply as far away from your personal interpretation of Christianity as a person can get. Your personal interpretation of Christianity is not the only interpretation of Christianity. Germany still was a Christian nation and Hitler was a Christian himself. He based his attacks largely on his Christian beliefs. Yes, they were terribly flawed, but he got others to go along with him because of their religious beliefs. You do realize that in your last sentence you in effect called religion stupid. And I think that I might agree with you on that.
Why would you think this?
It's not like Hitler was operating the Ovens himself. The solid Christian folks were doing it.
And it wasn't just the Lutherans and Catholics in Germany during the 30s and 40s. Hitler had strong support throughout Christendom. The Bush family made a ton of money doing business with the Nazis. Hitler had a framed portrait of Henry Ford in his office, for inspiration.
Tom