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Re-occurring dreams

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
I used to work for a bank; I am sure most of you know this by now, as I seem to qoute it often. I left the bank at a time when I was having trouble with my eyesight; I had had one cateract operation and was waiting for the next.
I was the only person at the office able to do the work that I was doing (semi-legal work involving mortgages). Basically, I was one of very few in a large branch (probably 120 staff) who understood how to complete a mortgage; really, the best way to describe it was that I was doing the work a conveyancer in a solicitors office. When I went back to work, three months after my first op, I found three month's work awaiting me. No one had done anything, save to pay in cheques and fees, and to pay them out where necessary.
I had dereadful headaches because I was trying to get used to seeing through my 'new' eye, and the sight in the other was fast deminishing. They were understanding, and let me work as long as I felt that I could each day. Sometimes it was only a couple of hours. I felt overwhelmed by the backlog of work, but managed to get thing into an order of priority, and just 'plough on'. That was never the way I had worked before; I had never any outstanding work on my desk; I worked as fast and as furiously as possible, whilst maintaining my own level of accuracy. That is me.
Well, one day, I felt so 'lost' that I went to see the doc, who prescribed me anti-depressants and also heavy doses of a valium sedative type drug (To make me relax, and to fight the very high levels of anxiety I was feeling).
I never returned to work; I was on official sick leave, on full pay for a year, at the end of which my doctor said "I am afraid that you will never be able to work again."
He wrote long letters to the bank, and in the end, they decided to retire me on medical grounds at the age of 44 (totally unheard of in banking; the doctor I think must have 'threatened' the bank in some way.
Since then, at least once or twice a week(more often at the beginning) I have dreamed that I was still at work, totally ignorant of whatever job I was supposed to be doing, going around in circles, trying to look 'busy' until the end of the day. It is only within the last year otr so that I have been able to inject the 'but hang on, I don't work here any more' into these lucid dreams. But I still have them, waking in a sweat and in a great deal of pain from 'trashing' around in bed. There have been times when my wife has been scared that I might inadvertantly hit her. I often cry and I often talk in my sleep, although she cannot understand what I am saying.
I personally think that the dream is merely an expression of the anxiety I felt at 'things being out of control' after the first op.
The point of not knowing what work I am doing, I interpret as my 'need' for spiritual enlightenment, and my frustration at the slow pace at which I can achieve anything. Is there anyone who has any suggestions to offer of how to stop these ghastly dreams (now going on for 12 years of having them) ? any help would be very gratefully appreciated.:eek:
 

robtex

Veteran Member
Mike i am happy for you. unless you love the banking business and industry you havn't lost much. Most people, self included live for their hobbies....their jobs pay the bills and make those hobbies possible. there is few things sadder to me than a person who is married to their job unless they love that job. it was a job nothing more nothing less.. you seem to have a void right now a place where work use to exist......fill it ....post back on here and tell us a couple of hobbies (obviously religous study is one) and interests of yours. than your current level of achievement your desired level achievement and a loose plan to fill your void .

living to be a banker sounds like a life hardly worth living.......i konw you can do better ...you come across as artistic espcially with writing and personal input indcluded it would be nice to see you cultivate that in a creative or essay field .....somthing in your head is worth sharing and someone out there is waiting to benefit from what is your head.......

ok awaiting your list....if you cocur that this might be a good idea....
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
Dreams can be many things Michel , and I usually don't try to explain ours dreams for unless one knows how the other views things , one can't say what an image or symbol means for another . But 12 years ?

From the way you explain it , I would guess that you were a very loyal emplyee ? Could it be your subconsiousness expressing that feeling that you somehow " let the bank down "? Or that your body let you down ? After 12 years though , I think it would go deeper then that . But start there . We aren't machines . Hopefully , there is more to us then our jobs . And life is change , so try to see this as the natural flow of things . Yea , old age sucks . :) But it happens to us all . Try to view it as the begining of a new stage in life , not the end of the old stage . Think of things that you had always wanted to do , but never had the time . And you have to convince your subconsious that this is a good thing ... and that my friend is the trick . Best of luck .
 

retrorich

SUPER NOT-A-MOD
I have had a dream repeatedly over decades. A plane is flying overhead and it is obviously in trouble. A crash seems inevitable. My fear is that it will crash on me. The plane appears to be flying away, but then circles around and then heads back toward me. The dream always ends before the plane actually crashes.

I had that dream before I had ever flown, and I have no particular fear of flying.

The weird thing is that my present apartment is directly under the takeoff and landing pattern of a busy international airport (Cleveland Hopkins). :eek:

Anyone care to do an analysis?
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
I am not sure whether to believe in dreams... I have two that always come to me at lesat twice a year.

The first one is a drowning dream. Now that I dive, I wonder if this is not a precognition of my death.

The second involves being shot in the left shoulder. I don't die, but the image is quite real, and I see the healed wound years later. I have often taken risks knowing that I have not been shot yet, so it's not my time to die.

Niether are as wild as yours, though I always wake in a cold sweat. They are alarming and I wish they would go away.
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
Saying that you don't believe in dreams is like saying that you don't believe your own mind NetDoc . :) But I don't think that is what you meant .

There are two main views of what dreams are . Freud wrote a book on Dreams in which he said that every symbol had a meaning , and he gave the meaning of which ... and we all know what every symbol boiled down to for Freud . But there are a lot of people who still believe that . Most books written of the subject takes that approach . For excample , if you dream of a plane , or stopsign , then the plane means this ... period .

However Jung also wrote about dreams . Jung believed in what he called Universal Symbols . Symbols that had pretty much the same meanings in most people's minds , no matter what culture or background they had . However , he also said the personal experience influenced , even changed those meanings . For excample , the stop sign . Everyone knows what a stop sign means , right ? However , if at some point in your life you had ran a stop sign and had an accident , or saw another do that , the stop sign very well could that on another meaning for you . It still likely would mean stop ! , but could have a stronger meaning of danger , death , pain , or whatever you had experienced . The Cross is an excample . The Cross has been used in just about every culture in histroy , but along come the Christians and now ... The swastika is a more commonly used excample .

So Retrorich , to find out what your dream means , you have to figure out what the plane symbolizes for you . I doubt that it is just a plane . :) Our subconscious usually don't work that way .
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
carrdero said:
I think that I would/could consider myself part of the 'some people' who believe that dreams are windows into past lives.:)
So carrdero, you believe in past lives ? - I do too; is the 'window' a momentary 'abberation' or does it open for a purpose ? I must admit to being very unknowledgable on this; I have rejected Freud's fixation on sex. Whilst I think he is (or was) right in principle, like all passionate advocates, he went 'a bit too far'; I could never really accept that tying up ones' shoelaces was symbolism for the sexual act.
I have said that I have a replacement hip; my right leg is now shorter than the left, and I therefore walk very awkwardly (I use a crutch most of the time). In my dreams, I often find myself expecting trouble from my leg, but find myself 'bouncing' over distances; the best way to desribe the feeling is if I were walking on the surface of the moon.
My grandfather taught me to write dreams down on the point of waking, which allows you to see that weird dreams (ie the type in which tou are playing a game of tennis, and open a door to the lounge of your house, into which you walk with no surprise) are actually two separate dreams that your mind has 'combined'. I go through periods of lucid dreams too, where I can deliberately say to myself; 'now come on, you know this is a dream - the other guy can't hurt you' - this type of lucid dream seems to occur in a periodical cycle (And don't ask me for the details; I have never bothered to keep details of the gaps between such dreams).
I would really like to discuss this further with you if you are willing:)
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
[PART QUOTE=robtex]s ....post back on here and tell us a couple of hobbies (obviously religous study is one) and interests of yours. than your current level of achievement your desired level achievement and a loose plan to fill your void .
...you come across as artistic espcially with writing and personal input indcluded it ....if you cocur that this might be a good idea....[/QUOTE] Hi again, robtex;
I wanted to reply specifically to the questions you put to me, since you are obviously interested in the replies.
Interests? ever since I was knee high to a grasshopper, I have loved pulling things apart; mechanical electrical, electronic - I don't care. I do feel sorry for my parents; as a young kid I remember my father looking terribly worried, when I proudly showed him my electrical rewiring of the house (I must have been under 8 years old) - I had very catrefully removed an entire brick from the wall of our bungalow, and had 'wired ' the house with string; the missing brick was the fuse box!
I can take computers apart and put them back together again, and they work!!! This is all completely self taught. I have this main computer on which I am typing, which is on a network onto an older one with 80 Gig free (I use this for music, programs I want to keep handy etc), and my son can use his laptop wirelessly, as can Marie.
The music output from the sound card comes out of this one, and goes (through the cavity wall) to our bedroom, the lounge donstairs, the dining room, and the kitchen - so every one in the house who wants to join in can tell me to switch them on or off!
I have done a similar thing with tv and video and dvd; i can feed anything from downstairs to any of the rooms upstairs. Sorry about that, I get carried away.
You are right about the Artistic bent ; I have loved writing stories again since a young age; I have written two novels (One of which I tried to get published) and one non fiction book on radiesthesia (Dowsing of a kind) -it such an obscure subject that noone wanted to touch it. I was told to send it in peace meal to a magazine for dowsers.
I love singing (Ghosh I bet you're beginning to wish you hadn't asked!); I am a base baritone and joined a local amateur operatic company when I was much younger. I did have a few lessons, and my teacher told me "The usual thing that needs enforcing on want-to-be singers is voice production; I er...don't think you need that !! - I often sing at local dinner parties between our neighbours.
You did ask...............!!:jiggy:
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Michel writes:I would really like to discuss this further with you if you are willing:)
Sure. These are some of the theories that I am currently entertaining about dreams.

There are dreams that provide messages or signs (precognitive or reoccurring dreams). Déjà vu may also be applied here. Past. present or future, I believe, exists at the same moment.

There are dreams that provide memories of past lives. If you see yourself as “not your self” and dreaming something from a different era other than the one you are occupying in the waking state, it may represent a past life being revealed to you.

Dreams are personal (due to our individual perspective) and I would assume the symbolism is also. It is not uncommon or impossible for two or more people to share a dream moment. I think this happens quite frequently especially with other people who we may not even know or have met in this physical lifetime.

The dream realm is very real and I have my suspicions that it is a way for our soul to visit or refresh itself in the spiritual realm or the realm that we existed before we occupied a physical shell. My reasons being:

1. That you can do anything you want in the dream realm (as in the spiritual realm) without any side effects or consequences. You have total control (free will) of your dreams.

2. There are people in the dream realm whom I have never met that seem very familiar. Some of these people will frequently reoccur or become a supporting cast.

3. You can obtain any information that you desire to know in the dream realm that you may not have access to in your waking state. The challenge lies in bringing back to your conscious in one piece.

4. Dreaming is necessary. There seems to be a sustenance value to dreaming.

One of the things that dreams try to reach out to us about is to REMEMBER and it is always good to write down your dreams upon waking to keep the memory fresh. You can analyze them later but it is important to remember and write down key details.
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
I'm afraid that I have never gotten into the habit of writing my dreams down . :(

I agree with most of what you say Carrdero . Not so sure about the past life thing , but it is possible if we have had past lives . There are many " types " of dreams . The trick is realizing which are which , I think . Some , I believe , are our Archetypes communicating with us . Some are our minds going over daily problems . And some are something quite different .

I have learnt to control my dreams , for the most part . Those I have little control over are of a deeper nature . Yes , people can share dreams . And I have met people in dreams before I have met them in life . And no , it wasn't deja vu , and I know that most willn't believe that . But I have comvicted others by telling them things that I had no way of knowing .

Now , not all dreams are " supernatural " by nature . Most are not . Freud was much too Freudian , but I think that Jung was on to something . When you dream that you are some one lest , you could be dreaming of an Archetype . Which could lead one to believe that they are dreaming of a past life ??? Perhaps ? As I said , that is the trick to understanding dreams , or anything on a symbolic level . One has to understand what the symbols are .
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
We spend a third of our lives dreaming (while we are asleep and awake) it would be a great disservice to ourselves to doubt or ignore this essential part of our existence.
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
Again I agree Carrdero . :) I am a dreamer . Always have been . We all are , if we take the time to listen .

I also think that understanding our dreams is important to understanding ourselves .

BTW I'm not an expert on Jung . Just touched the surface of much that he said . And my understanding of his work ... well , I tend to put my own ideas into what I understand of it . He did read a book on dreams though , that I want to read one of these days . Here is a link to a site on dreams . They get into the difference between Freud and Jung in the link " Field of Dreams ".

http://www.thezodiac.com/mundusmenu.htm

{ it wasn't my best link on Jung , but it is the only one I have left that isn't broken }
 
2. There are people in the dream realm whom I have never met that seem very familiar. Some of these people will frequently reoccur or become a supporting cast.
I couldnt list the number of times this has happened to me. I wake up saying, where have i met that person before? Very Strange.

When it comes to dreams, i seem to have much stranger and more unexplainable dreams than my friends do. They usually seem to be very abstract, and i usually cannot make any sense to them. But i do have "normal" dreams every now and then. Usually about whats going on in my life.
 
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