mikkel_the_dane
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Well, I am a strong skeptic, so I know nothing. I only have beliefs, which seems to work. That is all.
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"Reality is not what you perceive it to be. Instead, it's what the tools and methods of science reveal."
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Well, I am a strong skeptic, so I know nothing. I only have beliefs, which seems to work. That is all.
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What you need to do is look at history. Things DO get messed up when you go back beyond writing, and the info I have on the origins of polytheism are tied to more "out of reach" subjects, but you can only do what you can do. Regarding "GOD" (monotheism), it has a history that only goes back 3300 rounded years. After that, the further you go back, there's only polytheism. You can establish WHERE the monotheistic belief came from, and as you come forward in time, even though there are some pieces missing, you can establish HOW this idea reached the Hebrew people, and drifted all the way to today. I'm not a "skeptic" ... I have information NO ONE wants to deal with.
It is acknowledged that from your "personal" comfortable and convenient perspective this is the case,
Beyond this it does not work nor have any relevance to science and reality.
There is no need to do so. Reality as seen through our cognition is demonstrably observed to be independent of our cognition.
You can close your eyes. Open your eyes. Go to sleep. Get drunk. Bang your head. Become the supreme dictator and issue laws to the contrary and write them in manifestos....and yet that humble pitcher of water will only start boiling when the temperature reaches a 100 C at 1 atm pressure. All your great fancy powers of consciousness cannot make it do anything else. Thats REALITY.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, I do it differntly than you as for how I do my life.
Because absolute and objective are synonmous. One issue in this discussion is the ability for humans to discern objective from subjective.
There are base, instinctual morals that are not chosen morals. We see wolves have complex social groups that are similar to how humans behave.
No, just different facts of social behaviors of animals. There are base, innate morals in animal behavior, and then there are more abstract rules set by humans. Grey wolves aren't going to round up timber wolves and exterminate them as a moral act, that is a level of morality that Christian Nazis did to Jews. Let's remember that one group's morals does not imply they are correct in a broader moral sense. We see more moral controvercy in morals that are more directed and specific. Look at the uproar in the USA about what Harrison Butker said at a Catholic college. He's the kicker for my city's NFL football team, and supberbowl winner. He even mentioned Taylor Swift and Kelcy (his teammate) questioning thier moral outlook. His views have split the city, and I've seen many friends on Facebook (all uber conservatives) support his statements. The more liberal friends condemn his archaic and obsolete moral outlook. So morals are often largely ideological, and carefully considered in the big picture of society.
NFL distances itself from Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker's comments during commencement speech
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes, I am not connected to reality and your are not reading this. In fact you are delusional, because you think you are communicating with me, but that is not possible as I am not in reality or connected to it.
Now report to the reality authority and get your brain fixed.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Because absolute and objective are synonmous. One issue in this discussion is the ability for humans to discern objective from subjective.
There are base, instinctual morals that are not chosen morals. We see wolves have complex social groups that are similar to how humans behave.
No, just different facts of social behaviors of animals. There are base, innate morals in animal behavior, and then there are more abstract rules set by humans. Grey wolves aren't going to round up timber wolves and exterminate them as a moral act, that is a level of morality that Christian Nazis did to Jews. Let's remember that one group's morals does not imply they are correct in a broader moral sense. We see more moral controvercy in morals that are more directed and specific. Look at the uproar in the USA about what Harrison Butker said at a Catholic college. He's the kicker for my city's NFL football team, and supberbowl winner. He even mentioned Taylor Swift and Kelcy (his teammate) questioning thier moral outlook. His views have split the city, and I've seen many friends on Facebook (all uber conservatives) support his statements. The more liberal friends condemn his archaic and obsolete moral outlook. So morals are often largely ideological, and carefully considered in the big picture of society.
NFL distances itself from Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker's comments during commencement speech
The NFL is distancing itself from Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker, saying “his views are not those of the NFL as an organization.”apnews.com
Well, if there is actually subjective cases, then everything is not absolute. So there is that.
Seriously? You have never seen your grandmother boil water to make you some mac and cheese? The boiling point of water, along with the freezing point, are facts. We don't need to do any experiments.
And it's already happened millions of times. Do you really need one more test?
There are already facts in science that have been established.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
how can objective reality as absolute cause there in effecct to be something subjective? Can you explain that using observation and so on?
If there is no evidence for objective reality, what is your basis for belief?
I'm not sure what you are asking. Give an example. Your vagueness is impossible to interpret.
Quester
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Constructivism is what constructivism is ... and we all go down the same learning path, hopefully straightening out the methodology as we go along.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That it seems to work for me.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
If reality is objective how come there is subjective?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I am not a part of that we. Sorry, but you are not a we like that.
You existing is objective. Your mind thinking up why you exist is subjective.
Do you doubt you exist?
I am? So you acknowledge that you exist, but this isn't adequate evidence that things exist as an objective reality?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So if I exist objectively, does this work as subjective: Your mind thinking up why you exist is subjective.
How does subjective exist? Doesn¨t it exist and is it a case of actual absolute real non-existence?
Yes, your mind can confuse itself. That is part of the dillema of subjectivity, it can be irrational and contrary to fact, or it can work towards a discipline that allows a high standard for conclusions. Krishnamurti talked and wrote about the discipline of mind, and being the observer and the observed.
Subjectivity is a mental process, it isn't any set of objects. But it is a real mental phenomena, so an objective fact in that sense.
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Well, for example, I could set up a camera to take a picture when nobody is around. That picture would show the existence of something when nobody is around. Nobody need to know about the existence at the time the picture is taken.
And this is something that is quite common: for example, to take pictures of wildlife in this way. No person needs to see the actual animal, but the camera takes a picture which shows the existence of that animal at a particular time.