Reaping the effects of rejecting Yahweh’s Word

[YoursTrue]

Well, I don't believe in your God, so that is not relevant to me. And don't try to persuade me. Just leave me be and I will leave you be.

That's ok. You aren't going to sway me about your decision as to whether you're right or wrong. It's ok, have a good one.

 

[firedragon]

Are you kidding me? An eight year old can change his sex? That's child abuse. He's going to hate his parents for allowing it eventually.

Err. I didnt say "can", and I didnt say "its a great thing". It just happened.

So try your best not to demonise people for your pleasure, and make up strawman arguments for you to find a scapegoat for your own problems.

 

[Secret Chief]

Answer: there isn't any difference.

Not in your head, obviously.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Err. I didnt say "can", and I didnt say "its a great thing". It just happened.

Then obviously it was allowed to happen because 8 year olds don't have the right to make those kinds of decisions.

 

[firedragon]

Then obviously it was allowed to happen because 8 year olds don't have the right to make those kinds of decisions.

Err. It was my friends child. Not mine, And it was not my decision, not even the fathers. I am no expert on the subject, so please don't get so affected about another persons child. They are happy so let them be.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

@It Aint Necessarily I would caution that two wrongs are not equivalent to a right. Dissolution of an institution tends to result in two or more smaller groups from the larger, analogous to the Hydra that Hercules defeated. Not to mention we all know how willing militarized/radicalized theists are to resort to violence, and those who will aim to force you into resorting to violence...

If we could inspire the church to hold to its platitudes of positive action, and for it to hold its congregation responsible for the same. To protect the widows and the orphans. If we could convince the church to rise up, we could circumvent the damage and drama that dissolution would give rise to.

It's your prerogative to decide which option better appeals to you, destruction or development, I would propose both of equal difficulty if even possible at all.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Err. It was my friends child. Not mine, And it was not my decision, not even the fathers. I am no expert on the subject, so please don't get so affected about another persons child. They are happy so let them be.

I shouldn't be affected by children being abused?

 

[robocop (actually)]

I wasn’t going to post anything today, but I heard something this week that caused me concern. As many of you know, there is a lot of change going on in our societies regarding gender rights and how someone identifies. As a mental health support worker, I’ve noticed this has come down in to my very own workplace. Women identifying as men, men identifying as women, and everything in between. You have to be careful nowadays not to call someone who is clearly woman ‘she’, or ‘her’ for fear of upsetting them. My normal choice of action is to avoid those who identify in this way. Nowadays, a person’s perceived identity is very important to them. Being mis-identified (accidentally or on purpose) is uncomfortable and can be offensive (and can be perceived as a form of harassment). Calling what is clearly a grown man, with a beard, and a low voice a ‘man’, or a ‘he’ could get you involved in an altercation.

What caught my attention was the story of a man who committed a crime, and during sentencing he said he identifies as a woman, so, he was sent to a woman’s prison. You can probably realize that such wouldn’t end well. He got several of the women there pregnant. I sigh and I pray about the evil situation we face in the world, all because Yahweh’s Word has been rejected. Yahweh has said male and female, created he them in Genesis 1:27, but people want to identify as something other than that which they were born as. Can’t people see that this confusion we are reaping, which comes from rejection of Yahweh’s Law, is getting out of hand? Men competing in women’s sports and winning all the games. How about people of a certain race, identifying as another race? Or people of a certain age, identifying as a different age to what they are? Can’t people see this is getting out of hand?

What gets me is this is even affecting children. Children are even claiming to identify as the opposite gender to which they are. Children, whose minds are unstable and who don’t even know what they themselves want.

No-one looks at the fact that sex “reassignment” doesn’t work. It’s impossible to “reassign” someone’s sex physically, and attempting to do so doesn’t produce good outcomes psychosocially. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.

Further, for those who are unwise enough to support gender reassignment, it might be worth to know that many trans people regret changing their gender. A new term I heard about was de-transitioning. You may have heard it yourself of trans people attempting to reverse their transition to a different sex. The number of young people seeking gender transition is at the highest it has ever been, but little is reported about how many of them regret the decision later, finding they are unhappy with their new gender. There’s even a charity that has been set up called The Detransition Advocacy Network, which aims to provide guidance to trans people who have undergone gender reassignment, but now want to change back to their original gender. I don’t know about you, but I feel the LGBTQ and whatever other letters are added on (I lose track) should feel ashamed. They are pushing for transitioning but they have no idea the damage that it is doing to people’s lives.

How about getting back to the Bible? We can achieve peace with our gender, with our life, when we keep Yahweh’s Law and embrace His Word. 1 Corinthians 14:33 says: “33 for Yahweh is not an Elohim of confusion, but of peace.” This world is in confusion and I’m afraid that due to the spiraling conditions of this world, the only thing that will put a stop to this evil will be when Yahshua our Savior returns and rules over this world in righteousness. Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest. This whole gender reassignment I know is an irritation to Yahweh as it is to me and it's rooted in a lack of peace. Peace is given to those who keep His Laws.

John 16:33 "These things have I spoken unto you, that in me ye may have peace. In the world ye have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

Focus on healthy families.

 

[Clara Tea]

I wasn’t going to post anything today, but I heard something this week that caused me concern. As many of you know, there is a lot of change going on in our societies regarding gender rights and how someone identifies. As a mental health support worker, I’ve noticed this has come down in to my very own workplace. Women identifying as men, men identifying as women, and everything in between. You have to be careful nowadays not to call someone who is clearly woman ‘she’, or ‘her’ for fear of upsetting them. My normal choice of action is to avoid those who identify in this way. Nowadays, a person’s perceived identity is very important to them. Being mis-identified (accidentally or on purpose) is uncomfortable and can be offensive (and can be perceived as a form of harassment). Calling what is clearly a grown man, with a beard, and a low voice a ‘man’, or a ‘he’ could get you involved in an altercation.

What caught my attention was the story of a man who committed a crime, and during sentencing he said he identifies as a woman, so, he was sent to a woman’s prison. You can probably realize that such wouldn’t end well. He got several of the women there pregnant. I sigh and I pray about the evil situation we face in the world, all because Yahweh’s Word has been rejected. Yahweh has said male and female, created he them in Genesis 1:27, but people want to identify as something other than that which they were born as. Can’t people see that this confusion we are reaping, which comes from rejection of Yahweh’s Law, is getting out of hand? Men competing in women’s sports and winning all the games. How about people of a certain race, identifying as another race? Or people of a certain age, identifying as a different age to what they are? Can’t people see this is getting out of hand?

What gets me is this is even affecting children. Children are even claiming to identify as the opposite gender to which they are. Children, whose minds are unstable and who don’t even know what they themselves want.

No-one looks at the fact that sex “reassignment” doesn’t work. It’s impossible to “reassign” someone’s sex physically, and attempting to do so doesn’t produce good outcomes psychosocially. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.

Further, for those who are unwise enough to support gender reassignment, it might be worth to know that many trans people regret changing their gender. A new term I heard about was de-transitioning. You may have heard it yourself of trans people attempting to reverse their transition to a different sex. The number of young people seeking gender transition is at the highest it has ever been, but little is reported about how many of them regret the decision later, finding they are unhappy with their new gender. There’s even a charity that has been set up called The Detransition Advocacy Network, which aims to provide guidance to trans people who have undergone gender reassignment, but now want to change back to their original gender. I don’t know about you, but I feel the LGBTQ and whatever other letters are added on (I lose track) should feel ashamed. They are pushing for transitioning but they have no idea the damage that it is doing to people’s lives.

How about getting back to the Bible? We can achieve peace with our gender, with our life, when we keep Yahweh’s Law and embrace His Word. 1 Corinthians 14:33 says: “33 for Yahweh is not an Elohim of confusion, but of peace.” This world is in confusion and I’m afraid that due to the spiraling conditions of this world, the only thing that will put a stop to this evil will be when Yahshua our Savior returns and rules over this world in righteousness. Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest. This whole gender reassignment I know is an irritation to Yahweh as it is to me and it's rooted in a lack of peace. Peace is given to those who keep His Laws.

John 16:33 "These things have I spoken unto you, that in me ye may have peace. In the world ye have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

Messianic = Jew converted to Christian (who accepts Christ as Messiah). Have you talked to Rabbis about your decision? Are you sufficiently informed to make up your mind about your religion? To me, a Messianic Jew is much like a little boy who decides to have his male parts surgically altered...it seems a bit permanent, and it isn't clear that the path is the right one. The little boy's decision just affects their marriage while they live. Your decision, on the other hand, affects your eternal life. If you proselytize, your decision affects lives around you.

If the Messianic religion is correct, why haven't all Jews switched. Clearly they don't think that Jesus is the Messiah predicted by their ancient documents. Who reads Hebrew better? Rabbis trained to speak and write Hebrew or Christians who don't speak it at all? Who has been trained to understand the ancient Jewish prophecies? Rabbis or Christians?

RE: Gender rights and ID.



You are a mental health support worker.



You assert that can't upset someone by calling them the gender that they were born, so you avoid.



You mention a prisoner who claimed to be a woman, got women prisoners pregnant (That's one person about of 7 billion on the planet).



You assert that God made men men, and women women. Did God also make criminals criminals? Likely the fruit of knowledge in Eden was carnal knowledge (sex). Yet God said “go forth and multiply” when they realized that they were embarrassed by nudity.











Women wear dresses (long robes). Rabbis wear long robes. Scots, Brits, and sons of Erin wear kilts. Knights of the Order of the Garter (an inheritable title unlike Bachelor knights) wear a jeweled woman's garter belt visible under their kilts on their upper thighs (some earned it it battle, others by a chivalrous act).



Women have long hair, Orthodox Jews have long hair (sometimes), especially the pais. American Indians wear long hair, as do the Chinese (and they feel that they would not ascend to heaven if they cut it. Should school dress codes prevail and send them to hell?



“Evil situation we face in the world because Yahweh's Word has been rejected.” Does this mean that we need more Reverend Jim and Tammy Fay Bakkers to lead us to hell? Does religion make them moral? Are atheists immoral? If so, why are there not atheists in the news as often as I hear about scandals in the Christian churches?



Should we focus on taking away marriage rights of gays (inheritance and custody of kids)? Or should we worry that the US might have a nuke war with combined forces of Russia and China? Should we worry that the US just killed about 1,000,000 Iraqis who were innocent of terrorism and made torture camps? Cherry-picking the bible will result in missing the important parts (wars, environmental damage, debt, disease, etc), and judging Gays (don't judge lest ye be judged)(do unto others)(only God is the judge).



Children, whose minds are unstable and who don’t even know what they themselves want. It's not just their minds, it's also their hormones. Too young for sex, parents sometimes allow their “male parts” to be removed. What if they change their minds later? What if they want to be an ice cream cone, do we stick them in the freezer? What if they want to be a fire truck, do we paint them red and put tires on them? Kids are not mature enough to understand adult life (otherwise, they'd be driving and voting). On the other hand, we have a lot of adults who are not mature enough to vote, yet we don't have a “drivers test” for voters (and we really should).



“Little is reported about changing their minds later” (RE sex changes). I agree.



“Detransition Advocacy Network (guidance to the gender reassigned).” Superglue?



“LGBTQ and whatever other letters are added on (I lose track)” Parents spell out “ice cream” so their kids don't understand. I know that you are talking about ice cream (spelling letters like that). Seriously, if you are going to object to it you should at least study it well enough to spell it right and not dismiss it so cavalierly.



Your decision to get back to Yahweh's law is like deciding what religion other people should have. If you have a right to take away their religious freedom, don't others have the right to take away your religious freedom? Shouldn't we all try to get along? Even denominations of the Christian faith fight each other and argue. If they can't get along with themselves, and they have to have different bibles and different interpretations, surely they should seek common ground and allow others to have opinions.



Yahweh's law as you interpret your bible, might not be Yahweh's law as others interpret their own bibles.



The US has a separation of church and state so that we don't cram our religions down other people's throats, and likewise, they don't cram their religions down ours. To this end, we don't want prayers in schools in which everyone must say a prayer to the same God with the same bible, and we don't want to teach creation while rejecting science (Darwin's evolution). We want to allow people to use condoms (they don't encourage sex), but they do stop unwanted pregnancies and STDs (like AIDS).



“This world is in confusion” (And the Religious Right voted in their candidates to make it confusing and evil). They made wars, torture camps, debt, destruction of God's environment, ignored the homeless while worshiping mammon from drilling and fracking rather than using solar. Etc.

 

[Clara Tea]

Wait - you managed to maintain these bigoted attitudes while being a mental health support worker? I'm both impressed and appalled... kinda like when I hear about a YEC geologist.

For your professional development courses, do you just put your fingers in your ears until it's over?

People should try a Gay lover before rejecting them for others. They will then be sensitized to the ridicule and bigotry that they feel from others.

 

[Clara Tea]

Pink unicorns don't exist. Trans identity does. As do billionaires and smart alecks.

Wahhh....sniff....wipes nose. My entire belief system (in unicorns) wiped out in a moment.

 

[Clara Tea]

Well, you can suppress people in the name of love. Now if you mean that love can include letting another human be different than you, then yes. But I don't need to love another human in order for me to understand that.

Yes, we have to love all of God's children (Gay or not). When God said that one should not be Gay, that was not a free ticket to a punching bag fest on Gay people. That was God speaking to Gays about their choice. We have nothing to do with it. We are not supposed to judge (lest we be judged). Only God is the judge.

 

[Clara Tea]

Only in my country could a company have humans falling in love with nonhumans and people turning into other species but offend people by not hating gay people.

The Christian religion is the religion of hatred. It should be about loving all of God's children.

 

[Clara Tea]

I do realize that some people are born with one body, two sexes and bodies in that one body. Sad occurrence and horrible experiments attached to that sorry instance. But it can be successfully lived with, according to how a person sees it.

It isn't necessarily a sad occurance. It is the way they are made. Some Gays have normal hormones, but their psychology makes them Gay.

 

[Clara Tea]

Yes, being born a male or female but feeling like the other is a source of dysphoria: "Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life."

And then throw in a culture that demonizes those who make the adjustment to alleviate the dysphoria..



Agreed. But much of American culture (and undoubtedly many others as well with which I am less familiar) is openly hostile to these people. Read the OP again. The churches are teaching their adherents that such behavior is abhorrent to their god. Many understand this to mean that they are expected to persecute and disparage such people to please their god as they take exactly the same attitude as they are told their god takes - that such people are sinners deserving of punishment if they don't repent. I doubt people become suicidal because they feel like living transgendered if they are free to do that without public shaming, which is undoubtedly the source of self-loathing. I'd bet that in cultures where this behavior is considered normal and the transgendered not persecuted, self-loathing and suicide are no higher among the transgendered as with the cisgendered.

This thread is about reaping the effects of rejecting Yahweh's word. The OP's presumption is that the transgendered individual makes his or her own unhappiness by not heeding the wise counsel of their god. But those undesirable effects are the overt bigotry from the homophobic contingent of the religious community. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy - disobey Yahweh and suffer.

This is yet another reason why I oppose the Christian church in my writing and labor to diminish its cultural hegemony. It describes itself as a bastion of love and moral excellence, but I see the opposite. I see it with the bigotry directed at the transgendered, at the homosexual community and same sex marriage, and at atheists. All of these people and those feeling empathy for them have a right and duty to denounce this religion's overt and systematic bigotry. Why should any of them roll over for a religion that marginalizes and demonizes them all, and makes their lives more difficult even to the point of suicide? Yes, I understand that there are Christians who do not think this way, but they ought not mind seeing their church lose the power to persecute them, even pointing out the hatreds and the damage they do makes being a Christian more difficult even for those not indulging in them.

People should be allowed to be happy with whomever they marry. For example, I might fall in love with a virus. Will you take this ....um....hand in holy matrimony? I do. Do you, virus, take this person (I think I heard a tiny voice say I do). Uh oh....it was a covid virus. Soon it will be fooling around with other people (you know how those covids like to play the field).

 

[Clara Tea]

Then obviously it was allowed to happen because 8 year olds don't have the right to make those kinds of decisions.

On the other hand, parents often make permanent decisions for kids (bris, baptism, tossing them in a volcano, etc).

 

[InChrist]

Trans identity, yeah... just like my identity as a billionaire. It's a fantasy. Play acting.

I think it is more accurately described as delusional. The scriptures seem to indicate that near the end of the age many people will believe lies, instead of truth.

 

[InChrist]

Until Christians deal with the moral issues in their own churches, they need to keep their mouths shut about how other people live their lives. They don't have the moral ground to piously judge other people. In fact, Christians should be more concerned about the plank in their own eye before they worry about the speck of dust in someone else's eye (LGBTQ+ or not). For instance, the sex abuse scandals in the Catholic Church and the Southern Baptist Church and the 68% of Christian men who are addicted to pornography. It's hypocritical for Christians to judge other people. As the old adage goes, "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones."

Porn Addiction Statistics
The statistics for Christian men between 18 and 30 years old are particularly striking:

• 77 percent look at pornography at least monthly.
• 36 percent view pornography on a daily basis
• 32 percent admit being addicted to pornography (and another 12 percent think they may be).

The statistics for middle-aged Christian men (ages 31 to 49) are no less disturbing:

• 77 percent looked at pornography while at work in the past three months.
• 64 percent view pornography at least monthly.
• 18 percent admit being addicted to pornography (and another 8 percent think they may be).

Even married Christian men are falling prey to pornography and extramarital sexual affairs at alarming rates:

• 55 percent look at pornography at least monthly.
• 35 percent had an extramarital affair.

Source: Is Porn Addiction a Problem in Your Church?

Yes, Christians had better start cleaning up their own lives, because...



For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

 

[blü 2]

No-one looks at the fact that sex “reassignment” doesn’t work. It’s impossible to “reassign” someone’s sex physically, and attempting to do so doesn’t produce good outcomes psychosocially.

What alternative do you propose? What success rate does research attribute to that alternative?

 

[Viker]

I shouldn't be affected by children being abused?

A child wasn't abused. You're overreacting.