Reaping the effects of rejecting Yahweh’s Word

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

A lot of this discussion came up with my son who had just returned from Florida and Disneyworld which at present was on the wrong side of Desantis on gender language. I am unfamiliar with the particular school curriculum but if its true these kids are much too young for it. I got no answer when I asked if Desney was on the wrong side, gender neutral, why go to Disney and spend your money and not boycott?

Only in my country could a company have humans falling in love with nonhumans and people turning into other species but offend people by not hating gay people.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Out of curiosity, why do you pronounce Gods name? Im just asking because you are an "Israelite" as you call yourself.

To distinguish between the other Gods the Israelites worshiped?

 

[pearl]

It's all too often that the parent/s are too busy or callous or absent to provide basic survival skills or social skills.

Can't blame parents for confusion in wanting to the best for a child. Their courage to do what's best for the child should be commended in face of what society considers 'normal' and 'moral'.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Why do you work in the field of mental health?

They give out licenses to anyone I guess.

 

[firedragon]

To distinguish between the other Gods the Israelites worshiped?

No Kelly. I asked because in Jewish tradition, pronouncing God's name is blasphemy. I have personally seen them getting so affected with it's pronounced. They typically use the word Ha Shem instead of pronouncing the Tetragrammaton. That's why I asked this question him being an "Israelite".

 

[Link]

OP. Good post. My view, is, God knows what to say best to cure this evil. Then after him, his chosen ones, know best what to say. Then those who learn from them. Then those who learn from them.

The light is not gone away. It's just these days, darkness has a lot of effort, helpers, power, and is heightened through falsehood over the exalted word of God and the truth.

The warnings are coming about, and I wish Mahdi, Jesus, Elijah, Enoch, and others returning for the final showdown will be a mercy for most of mankind, but it's looking like they can only save a minority by the tracks we are on. Unless we change things, and major effort by believer occurs. And that might happen, never give up on anyone like Michael never gives up on people though their sins be numerous, their stubbornness great.

We need to help Michael and be a tool of his to spread God's mercy.

 

[Wildswanderer]

If they are taught about it, maybe. Could be. A friend in New Zealand had his son wanting to be a girl at the age of 8, and now it's been a few years. She is a girl now and identifies as a girl. But I think they had to go for therapy or some kind of sessions. She was also taking medication.

But one thing I must say is that, apparently she is happier now.

@Messianic Israelite

In this kind of scenario, how would you handle it? Now there could be an imposter like that guy who went to a women's jail, but most could be genuine as the case above. And their happiness matters in my opinion.

Dilemma?

Are you kidding me? An eight year old can change his sex? That's child abuse. He's going to hate his parents for allowing it eventually.

 

[Link]

Are you kidding me? An eight year old can change his sex? That's child abuse. He's going to hate his parents for allowing it eventually.

A lot and maybe even most of sex changes result in regret in the operation. Do a google search on this. All sorts of studies show this, and they commit suicide a lot of them after. But the debauched powers at be have an Agenda so don't let stats get in their way of their moral agenda.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Here's a primer:
What’s the Difference Between Sex and Gender?

Answer: there isn't any difference.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Out of curiosity: have you ever actually confirmed your genetic sex?

If no, how would you react if it turned out not to be what you thought it should be?

Why does anyone have to confirm their genetic sex? If you are an outie, you're a male. It's not hard to tell.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Are you kidding me? An eight year old can change his sex? That's child abuse. He's going to hate his parents for allowing it eventually.

No, his/her/their gender. Sex change is normally first done, when adult.
So again. Sex per genes, sex per appearance, sexual attraction, self identification of sex/gender and general cultural norms around sex.
The child is allowed to dress as the sex/gender the child self identifies with and given an appropriate name.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Why does anyone have to confirm their genetic sex? If you are an outie, you're a male. It's not hard to tell.

Again. Sex per genes, sex per appearance, sexual attraction, self identification of sex/gender and general cultural norms around sex.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Why does anyone have to confirm their genetic sex? If you are an outie, you're a male. It's not hard to tell.

"In this disorder, the SRY gene (which is on the Y chromosome) is misplaced, almost always onto an X chromosome. A fetus with an X chromosome that carries the SRY gene will develop male sex characteristics despite not having a Y chromosome."

So you can be XX and have male sex characteristics. It is not that simple.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

That's their business, not the church's, which only adds to the difficulties of being transgendered in a majority Christian culture. Christian advice would be to just tough it out in one's biological gender, which is also a source of unhappiness. Such people will encounter difficulties whatever path they take, even without the church persecuting them. Christianity has nothing helpful to say to them. It has no answers to those problems. The choices seem to be gender dysphoria by not acting, and a life of hormones and bigotry.

Source of unhappiness? [...] I would argue that if there is unhappiness, its source is unlikely an attribute the sufferer has possessed from birth.

Yes, being born a male or female but feeling like the other is a source of dysphoria: "Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life."

And then throw in a culture that demonizes those who make the adjustment to alleviate the dysphoria..

My concern of the LGBTQ community, particularly of the Trans members, is the alarming suicidality rates ravaging their sector of the population, as examined within the following journal's study: Trends in suicide death risk in transgender people: results from the Amsterdam Cohort of Gender Dysphoria study (1972–2017) I would assume one of the primary factors would be emotional and moral support of family, friends and peers... I would assume. We need to support our young people, not shun or shy away from them in their time of post pubertal confusion.

Agreed. But much of American culture (and undoubtedly many others as well with which I am less familiar) is openly hostile to these people. Read the OP again. The churches are teaching their adherents that such behavior is abhorrent to their god. Many understand this to mean that they are expected to persecute and disparage such people to please their god as they take exactly the same attitude as they are told their god takes - that such people are sinners deserving of punishment if they don't repent. I doubt people become suicidal because they feel like living transgendered if they are free to do that without public shaming, which is undoubtedly the source of self-loathing. I'd bet that in cultures where this behavior is considered normal and the transgendered not persecuted, self-loathing and suicide are no higher among the transgendered as with the cisgendered.

This thread is about reaping the effects of rejecting Yahweh's word. The OP's presumption is that the transgendered individual makes his or her own unhappiness by not heeding the wise counsel of their god. But those undesirable effects are the overt bigotry from the homophobic contingent of the religious community. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy - disobey Yahweh and suffer.

This is yet another reason why I oppose the Christian church in my writing and labor to diminish its cultural hegemony. It describes itself as a bastion of love and moral excellence, but I see the opposite. I see it with the bigotry directed at the transgendered, at the homosexual community and same sex marriage, and at atheists. All of these people and those feeling empathy for them have a right and duty to denounce this religion's overt and systematic bigotry. Why should any of them roll over for a religion that marginalizes and demonizes them all, and makes their lives more difficult even to the point of suicide? Yes, I understand that there are Christians who do not think this way, but they ought not mind seeing their church lose the power to persecute them, even pointing out the hatreds and the damage they do makes being a Christian more difficult even for those not indulging in them.

 

[YoursTrue]

I wasn’t going to post anything today, but I heard something this week that caused me concern. As many of you know, there is a lot of change going on in our societies regarding gender rights and how someone identifies. As a mental health support worker, I’ve noticed this has come down in to my very own workplace. Women identifying as men, men identifying as women, and everything in between. You have to be careful nowadays not to call someone who is clearly woman ‘she’, or ‘her’ for fear of upsetting them. My normal choice of action is to avoid those who identify in this way. Nowadays, a person’s perceived identity is very important to them. Being mis-identified (accidentally or on purpose) is uncomfortable and can be offensive (and can be perceived as a form of harassment). Calling what is clearly a grown man, with a beard, and a low voice a ‘man’, or a ‘he’ could get you involved in an altercation.

What caught my attention was the story of a man who committed a crime, and during sentencing he said he identifies as a woman, so, he was sent to a woman’s prison. You can probably realize that such wouldn’t end well. He got several of the women there pregnant. I sigh and I pray about the evil situation we face in the world, all because Yahweh’s Word has been rejected. Yahweh has said male and female, created he them in Genesis 1:27, but people want to identify as something other than that which they were born as. Can’t people see that this confusion we are reaping, which comes from rejection of Yahweh’s Law, is getting out of hand? Men competing in women’s sports and winning all the games. How about people of a certain race, identifying as another race? Or people of a certain age, identifying as a different age to what they are? Can’t people see this is getting out of hand?

What gets me is this is even affecting children. Children are even claiming to identify as the opposite gender to which they are. Children, whose minds are unstable and who don’t even know what they themselves want.

No-one looks at the fact that sex “reassignment” doesn’t work. It’s impossible to “reassign” someone’s sex physically, and attempting to do so doesn’t produce good outcomes psychosocially. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.

Further, for those who are unwise enough to support gender reassignment, it might be worth to know that many trans people regret changing their gender. A new term I heard about was de-transitioning. You may have heard it yourself of trans people attempting to reverse their transition to a different sex. The number of young people seeking gender transition is at the highest it has ever been, but little is reported about how many of them regret the decision later, finding they are unhappy with their new gender. There’s even a charity that has been set up called The Detransition Advocacy Network, which aims to provide guidance to trans people who have undergone gender reassignment, but now want to change back to their original gender. I don’t know about you, but I feel the LGBTQ and whatever other letters are added on (I lose track) should feel ashamed. They are pushing for transitioning but they have no idea the damage that it is doing to people’s lives.

How about getting back to the Bible? We can achieve peace with our gender, with our life, when we keep Yahweh’s Law and embrace His Word. 1 Corinthians 14:33 says: “33 for Yahweh is not an Elohim of confusion, but of peace.” This world is in confusion and I’m afraid that due to the spiraling conditions of this world, the only thing that will put a stop to this evil will be when Yahshua our Savior returns and rules over this world in righteousness. Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest. This whole gender reassignment I know is an irritation to Yahweh as it is to me and it's rooted in a lack of peace. Peace is given to those who keep His Laws.

John 16:33 "These things have I spoken unto you, that in me ye may have peace. In the world ye have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

I don't try to change anything because I know this world is doomed, according to God's word. It is going to be changed by means of righteousness in the care of Jesus Christ. The best I can do is tell people about the good news of God's kingdom. Have a nice day. Matthew chapters 24 & 25 helps to explain this. "Just like it was in the days of Noah..."

 

[YoursTrue]

So how should a teacher in 1st grade handle a kid, which asks: Tommy has 2 mothers. One of them is trans. What is that?

there was a surgeon general in Pittsburgh that is transgender. This person was born male, is a doctor, changed legally and physically I think to be a female if that's possible. This person was photo'd with long gray hair. A member of the press addressed this person as 'sir,' and the surgeon general objected to that, saying the person is a woman. Oh well. You and I aren't going to change things. Only God will make a rightful decision as far as I am concerned about what's up in life. And boy (or girl), am I glad about that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Beautiful and here’s a beautiful quote from that page which sums up how Baha’is must treat EVERYBODY.

Just as God loves all and is kind to all, so must we really love and be kind to everybody. We must consider none bad, none worthy of detestation, no one as an enemy. We must love all; nay, we must consider everyone as related to us …. – The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 267.

Sorry to have to point out the contradiction.

“O ye beloved of the Lord! The Kingdom of God is founded upon equity and justice, and also upon mercy, compassion, and kindness to every living soul. Strive ye then with all your heart to treat compassionately all humankind—except for those who have some selfish, private motive, or some disease of the soul. Kindness cannot be shown the tyrant, the deceiver, or the thief, because, far from awakening them to the error of their ways, it maketh them to continue in their perversity as before. No matter how much kindliness ye may expend upon the liar, he will but lie the more, for he believeth you to be deceived, while ye understand him but too well, and only remain silent out of your extreme compassion.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 158

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

there was a surgeon general in Pittsburgh that is transgender. This person was born male, is a doctor, changed legally and physically I think to be a female if that's possible. This person was photo'd with long gray hair. A member of the press addressed this person as 'sir,' and the surgeon general objected to that, saying the person is a woman. Oh well. You and I aren't going to change things. Only God will make a rightful decision as far as I am concerned about what's up in life. And boy (or girl), am I glad about that.

Well, I don't believe in your God, so that is not relevant to me. And don't try to persuade me. Just leave me be and I will leave you be.

 

[YoursTrue]

Well, I don't believe in your God, so that is not relevant to me. And don't try to persuade me. Just leave me be and I will leave you be.

It doesn't matter which god you believe in. The doctor claimed to be a woman and wanted people to accept the person as a woman. Now this person is in the armed forces, I believe. And of course people get pregnant in jail with so-called transgender people in the same block. Now I am wondering exactly what genes can be changed to make a man into a woman? It doesn't matter though. You got your ways and others have theirs.

 

[YoursTrue]

"In this disorder, the SRY gene (which is on the Y chromosome) is misplaced, almost always onto an X chromosome. A fetus with an X chromosome that carries the SRY gene will develop male sex characteristics despite not having a Y chromosome."

So you can be XX and have male sex characteristics. It is not that simple.

I do realize that some people are born with one body, two sexes and bodies in that one body. Sad occurrence and horrible experiments attached to that sorry instance. But it can be successfully lived with, according to how a person sees it.